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Selling mixed CDs without artists knowing
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DjMelo
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Posted : Mar 17, 2004 20:40
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On 2004-03-15 23:31, DjMelo wrote:
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On 2004-03-11 22:56, Elysium Project wrote:
It sound dodgy to me and I would not be happy to see my name on such a mixed CD. It's ok to do promo mixes but to sell them without giving anything back to the artists and labels are not a nice things to do.
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I see it the same way as Elysium Project. I think it is nice to try to make back the money but why did Digital Talk not do a mix of Digital Talk music? Why use peoples music without contacting them? It is nice that you have partys in the US but you should not sell music that is not made by you. Ever.
~namaste~ Back atcha 
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IMHO: if u think that then perhaps we shud only spin music made by us..we shud not be allowed to spin other ppls music..afterall the party people didnt pay for those tracks n nuthin is goin to the artists even tho 100 ppl are trippin on his music at a party in india...
heh get a life!
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Hi if you read this thread at all you would see we are talking about selling other peoples music here not playing it out. I will try to get a life however perhaps you should get some english lessons no? |
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Maska
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Posted : Mar 17, 2004 21:25
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On 2004-03-17 20:40, DjMelo wrote:
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On 2004-03-17 07:53, djsid wrote:
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On 2004-03-15 23:31, DjMelo wrote:
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On 2004-03-11 22:56, Elysium Project wrote:
It sound dodgy to me and I would not be happy to see my name on such a mixed CD. It's ok to do promo mixes but to sell them without giving anything back to the artists and labels are not a nice things to do.
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I see it the same way as Elysium Project. I think it is nice to try to make back the money but why did Digital Talk not do a mix of Digital Talk music? Why use peoples music without contacting them? It is nice that you have partys in the US but you should not sell music that is not made by you. Ever.
~namaste~ Back atcha
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IMHO: if u think that then perhaps we shud only spin music made by us..we shud not be allowed to spin other ppls music..afterall the party people didnt pay for those tracks n nuthin is goin to the artists even tho 100 ppl are trippin on his music at a party in india...
heh get a life!
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Hi if you read this thread at all you would see we are talking about selling other peoples music here not playing it out. I will try to get a life however perhaps you should get some english lessons no?
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Dude, you are seriously taking this too seriously........Digital Talk did sell their music...It's theirs as well as other Psyartist in Digital Talk's DJ set....They are selling their DJ "mixed" set which in HipHop, trance, etc. has always been done. He is not selling all individual complete tracks from the artist themselves.
Also, all except Digital Talk's tracks have already been released.......from what has been said above......Even if it hasn't, artist can give just as much as the promoters who are giving their time, energy and Money to bring these artists, knowing they are going to lose money.........That sucks.
Without those dedicated, daring and loving promoters, this music would have never reached most of our ears. Trading and exchanging music is what this music was founded on........We buy, we support, we trance and we pay to hear them play..
The artist that mean the most to us are the ones who understand and help when need be.
I support open mindedness and understanding more than anything, regardless of what language they speak.....
Neither Digital Talk nor the promoter involved made any profit other than preventing loss and in my opinion did nothing wrong.... assumption is the mother of all fuckups. |
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DJAmanita
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Posted : Mar 19, 2004 00:13
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monkeydo
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Posted : Mar 19, 2004 11:01
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I'm in debt from buying too many psy CD's. Would anyone like to buy one of my mix CD's for a tenner?
I think it's OK 'cos I don't download from p2p ever so I've already put money in to help the scene. |
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digital-talk
Digital Talk
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Posted : Mar 21, 2004 08:04
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ok men men
stop this please.....
what a mess for nothing!
everybody saw that dj melo doesn t like waater very much.....and he doesnt wants to understand the circonstances :
1. we took care about doing a BEAT MIX CD (so nobody can use the tracks.....by respect for the artists) WE DONT LIKE TO FUCK WITH THE MUSIC because we know the situation of being musician.
2. we did this to help a nice promoter who DONT MAKE PARTIES FOR THE MONEY !!! which is not so frequent unfortunatly...
i think that help each other in this movement is a postive thing, we must not forget the meaning of trance music and what was this spirit at the beginning
peace
Julien and Luc
::: www.myspace.com/digitaltalk :::
::: www.facebook.com/digital.talk.project :::
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KakoOlalaJwal
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Posted : Mar 21, 2004 11:26
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100% agreed with Uncle Bob, Luc and Julien...
This is so strange that some people are seing black things everywhere anytime.. selling mixed CDs is something very common in every musical genre allowing the beat mix, or the story telling..
And now, here in Psytrance some people should consider it annoying, even if it's non-profit oriented ? What is this.... if it's not egoism ??
Too sad..
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Kaz
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Posted : Mar 21, 2004 12:46
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In Israel, a local party promoter (no names given) lost money on his first major organized party. And since then, this promoting group's goal is NEVER to make money, just break even (their last party ended up with something like $20 profit for the entire organizing crew). But they do it for the love of the music, nothing else. They do not use their losses as an excuse for anything, since they do not care about the money.
Taking from artists without permission has no excuse, not if you really love the music.
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aje
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Posted : Mar 21, 2004 17:17
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well, maybe this organizer youre talking about is rich and can afford to lose money every time, others can't.
"Taking from artists without permission has no excuse, not if you really love the music"
kaz,your argument reminds me of philosophy classes where people take their arguments to the logical extremes,
Check out my album: http://www.ektoplazm.com/free-music/gay-satanic-hippie-tiefenrausch |
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Kaz
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Posted : Mar 21, 2004 17:25
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nobody_3
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Posted : Mar 21, 2004 17:43
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I am sorry but how can it be of any concern to the artists if a organiser loose money (unless the artists did something wrong that made the organiser loose the money)?
Isen't that the risk a organiser must take just as we take a risk not to be paid by the organisers (which happen very often) ?
And to take artists tracks and cover the costs is no excuse for not asking the artists for their permission first! If I saw my track(s) on mixed tapes from organisers (to cover their costs or whatever) I would feel robbed! How far can a organiser go taking cover behind P.L.U.R ? If a organiser asked the artists (and only the artists involved) that played at the particulary party that went finacially broke... then I am sure most would be ok with it (if the organiser is one of those that treath the artists ok). But to sell mixed tapes without the artists permission is just plain wrong... No matter who you are!!!
Then I dont really care what excuses you have to finance your loss. It's wrong and you know it!
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aje
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Posted : Mar 22, 2004 00:04
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Kaz says:
"Logic is logic, extreme or not. You either follow what you believe in or don't. You either tell the truth or lie. "
George W. Bush says:
"You are either with us or against us!!!!!"
Go send your resume to the White House, 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. Washington D.C., Dubya might need a new advisor with the right kinda attitude.
The world is not black and white, there are many colours in between.
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DjMelo
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Posted : Mar 22, 2004 00:57
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Nomolos(Zenon Rec.)
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Posted : Mar 22, 2004 02:48
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Kaz...Aje....common i think its very simple...
Kaz i think your right in the way of right is right wrong is wrong.
Aje i think your right nothing is black and white, im not comparing but just to show the exsistance of the "gray" the stupid exaple of some one stealing to feed his children(not to shoot up Heroin!)....blahhh blahh blahhh...i think u get the point....as far as the artists...one says he doesnt mind the other GAVE the cd,lets leave it in the nice inoccent way this is and give a HUGE thumbs up to Digital Talk and Scorb for beeing real trancers.
DjMelo...bored????...well maybe u can brew some love potion in your cave instead of spreading these useless and harmfull posts.
and by the way...10$ ??? nice.. get the cd and be happy with this nice buy....
cheers.
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DjMelo
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Posted : Mar 22, 2004 05:52
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I do not know why you think I am attacking Waater. I do not know him at all. I saw this posted on a public list and wanted to know what artists thought about the issue(one thought it was cool one did not). It is clear how most DJ's feel however I did not use names or even what city he was in. I did not use names for a reason. So why do you think I was attacking him?
I just wanted to know what people thought. I would like to know why you think this thread is so "useless and harmfull"? |
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LoveLikeRain
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Posted : Mar 22, 2004 05:58
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On 2004-03-22 05:52, DjMelo wrote:
II would like to know why you think this thread is so "useless and harmfull"?
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Why not? |
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