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AlienAbduction*
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Posted : Mar 15, 2004 15:15
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what do you think its good??
my opinion is that selection in partys is veryyy good speciali in isreal... here we have people with a disease that call "Arsiada" 
this people always start fights and stuff like this that destroy the party... because of this i think that selection is good and necessi...
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Barmalei
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Posted : Mar 15, 2004 15:27
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Selection is good, not only for filtering "problems", but also for getting to know you crowd better.
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Kaz
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Posted : Mar 15, 2004 16:23
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Selection is great. When you want a good crowd you have to work by how they look, no?
I mean, there are nice, happy arsim which are really good people, but we can't risk letting them in because some people that look like them are not so good. And same with older people, a lot of them are great, but some of them just ruin the vibe, so we don't need them. Kids shouldn't be let in too btw, parties are no place for them. In short, we need only rich WASPs (White AShkenasi Paratrooper in Israel) in parties along with many hot chicks. Just to make sure that the crowd is great, since all of those guys are great, right? http://www.myspace.com/Hooloovoo222 |
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Carol
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Posted : Mar 15, 2004 16:33
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You guys are kidding right? 
Selecting who's going in and who's not just by their looks and your own pre-judgement is pure prejudice! Where's the respect? |
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Barmalei
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Posted : Mar 15, 2004 16:39
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Nope, Carol, here in Israel we got serious problems with great part of trance crowd.
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Kaz
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Posted : Mar 15, 2004 16:47
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What I did here was to show why selection shouldn't be done. Party organizers should try and build a crowd that comes back every time, and those are usually NOT the people who are drunk to extremes. Gabi & The Twins did this and as long as they kept it underground, they did not have violence in their parties, just loads of good vibes - without selection.
The moment they stopped being underground, it changed, and in their last party a fight broke out on the dancefloor and bad vibes were there in great amounts. Their habit of not having selection is now either naive or just plain greed (as now the entire country knows about their parties 1-2 weeks in advance). http://www.myspace.com/Hooloovoo222 |
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Barmalei
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Posted : Mar 15, 2004 16:59
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It depends on how commercial the organizers should be ...
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spliffnik
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Posted : Mar 15, 2004 17:16
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kaz, you are very right that promoters should try to build a crowd that comes back every time. If you are greedy and start inviting everybody to make money, then yes you get bad elements who start fights, etc etc.
This is how most large parties are here in Tokyo. (won't mention names but those in Japan know who I am talking about)There are huge fights every time. The japanese mafia (yakuza) come and have brawls with the Chinese mafia. It gets worse, my friend works security and a random guy who was not a gangster or anything came up to him at the last party covered in blood, and he said that he was just dancing and all of a sudden someone kicked him from behind, and then there were 6 guys just beating him up. This is fucked, beyond words. Random beatings and gang wars at trance parties?? This is sickening. But these promoters dont give a shit about the vibe or dancers safety, only money.
Sorry to get off topic a bit, but this to me was disgusting. I throw parties, they are underground. I only invite friends(and tell them to invite their friends, so it stays an intimate gathering), and yes I try to build a nice party so ppl come back every time. But, each time it gets bigger. Soon, there will unavoidably be some random ppl like this that will hear about the party (yes, word of mouth get around, and even if you only invite friends, their friends tell some ppl who tell others and word gets around. It really is unavoidable at some point). So then, what do you do? I agree with you, it is really shallow to judge ppl only by their looks. But to me it is more important to protect the people that are there, and keep the positive vibe at the party than to let in these guys who will ruin it. And at least here in Japan, it is easy to tell who is the gangsters. They have a certain style, look, attitude, vibe, many things beyond simple appearance. Although you cannot juge strictly on appearance, it can be a good hint. There is an old saying, if it looks like a duck, smells like a duck, must be a duck. So if these ppl try to come to my parties, they will not be let in. I am trying to be exclusive but I would rather keep the vibe intact. this is shitty, but what is most important for me when I throw parties is to create a positive environment where people can come together and have a spiritual experience together as a group. If someone threatens that, they will not be let in. It is not exclusive as in you have to have a certain look, but exclusive as in you are not welcome if you try to bring negative evergy that will ruin the gathering for everyone. What would you do? It is a tough decision, but I think if someone looks, talks, and acts like a gangster, I will not let them in. Thats my opinion.
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TiMMY
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Posted : Mar 15, 2004 17:17
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Those of you who support selection seem to have forgotten that trance is not only music, it's a culture too.
Remember PLUR?
Those are not just acronyms, those are words to: Peace, Love, Unity and Respect.
The people who support it seem to have learned from the same culture that labeled them as 'drugs addicts','junkies' and useless members of society overall.
Prejudging someone by his age,skin color,looks or clothes doesn't bring Peace, demonstrate Love, creates Unity or shows Respect.
What I would do if I orangize a party is just make it underground, really underground - so only people I want there will come (and by that I mean people who like the music, this is my only selection). Other than that, from my experience when the music is really GOOD the "unwanted" crowd either goes home or stays and dances with everybody, creating a true trance experience. |
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spliffnik
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Posted : Mar 15, 2004 17:18
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On 2004-03-15 17:17, TiMMY wrote:
What I would do if I orangize a party is just make it underground, really underground - so only people I want there will come (and by that I mean people who like the music, this is my only selection). Other than that, from my experience when the music is really GOOD the "unwanted" crowd either goes home or stays and dances with everybody, creating a true trance experience.
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This is very ideal, I completely understand where you are coming from. I dont say the things here because I am a snob. I welcome all kinds of ppl to a party IF they are open to it, not coming to ruin it. Everyone's first time they were not trance people!
But when throwing parties, it is impossible to keep it away from negative elements forever. What I am asking is, not IF they come, but WHEN they come, what do you do? And when fights break out here it has nothing to do with how good the music is, they just happen because those ppl are there. The big parties here have GREAT music, but there are so many fights in one night you wouldnt believe it. And I think a trance experience cannot happen with those ppl around, so when they come they must be kept out to keep this possible.
From just ideals and theory, I completely agree with you as what SHOUD and SHOULDNT be done. But when this becomes reality and thugs are at the door in your party, what do you DO?
I dont like it as much as you do. Fortunately, I have not had to do this yet. But when that time comes, you can bet they would be turned away. Protecting my friends from getting beat up is more important than letting in a thug to the party.
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Barmalei
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Posted : Mar 15, 2004 17:24
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On 2004-03-15 17:17, TiMMY wrote:
Remember PLUR?
Those are not just acronyms, those are words to: Peace, Love, Unity and Respect.
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You are absolutely right TiMMY, for ideal situations, but the situation far from beeing ideal.
Selection is exactly for filtering those, who don't understand PLUR.
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NeutroN
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Posted : Mar 15, 2004 17:24
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no one is better than anyone else and why should their be any selection? i never saw any big celeb in a party lol of course their is always the wannabes who think that they special and better than everyone else, if so dont bother coming to a psytrance party.
fights? maybe u are going to the wrong parties no? i never and i mean never saw a fight at a psytrance party, oops im lieing i saw a dog take on another one down in brazil.
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FluoSamsara (Oxygen)
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Posted : Mar 15, 2004 17:30
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Its not right to restrict groups of ppl from entering a party, one of the good things in psy parties is that everyone is welcome to join. 
But its true that some parties get a lot of ppl with bad vibes, that are only there to mess up the situation....Those ones aren't welcomed for sure....
The more mainstream is the event, bigger are the chances of getting the wrong ppl there, but I think thare are a lot of steps an organizer can do to try and get the right crowd on their party....things like location, bands, ways of advertising the party, etc...it will all affect....I see some Organizers can really achieve a good crowd in most parties, and most are regulars to their parties, while other organizers fail to do so...
I welcome anyone to a party, as long as they don't intend to steal me or create any violence.... |
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TiMMY
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Posted : Mar 15, 2004 17:32
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There is no such thing as an ideal situation, we have to deal with what we have. And this doesn't mean we have to give up PLUR.
I've been to lots of parties where music was the only selection and there no fights, only happy people dancing. This is the true trance spirit. A party with selection is not a real trance party. |
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spliffnik
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Posted : Mar 15, 2004 17:39
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So TiMMY, what do you do if you throw a party, and you are at the door when thugs that you know will start a fight come to the door? One, If you let them in and they fight, it is hnot a trance party anymore. Or two, you turn them away. And I see your point if it becomes exclusive it is not really a trance party. But at the point when these ppl come to the door, you have the two choices. What would you rather do?
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