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Barmalei
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Posted : Mar 15, 2004 17:53
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As far as I understand TiMMY, he would not get to such situation by going underground and making the place and date available only to the people he can trust. But as a living in reality he would take second choice and let the bad guys looking for other place to relax.
Right TiMMY ???
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TiMMY
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Posted : Mar 15, 2004 18:02
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On 2004-03-15 17:39, spliffnik wrote:
So TiMMY, what do you do if you throw a party, and you are at the door when thugs that you know will start a fight come to the door? One, If you let them in and they fight, it is hnot a trance party anymore. Or two, you turn them away. And I see your point if it becomes exclusive it is not really a trance party. But at the point when these ppl come to the door, you have the two choices. What would you rather do?
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How do I know they'll start a fight? Is it written on their foreheads or something?
I don't understand you people. How can you tell someone is going to start a fight? Do you rent a fortune teller as a part of your crew?
Of course if I know for sure that he'll start a fight he won't get in, but we can never know that, unless there is something I don't comprehend. |
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Barmalei
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Posted : Mar 15, 2004 18:05
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Agressive, sometimes even violent tone of speech, sharp moves and a bunch of same-looking friends.
Noone told selection is easy, sometimes you need to have a PhD to do it well.
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TiMMY
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Posted : Mar 15, 2004 18:08
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OK, I got your point.
I guess I'll only know it for sure when I start organizing parties. |
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Barmalei
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Posted : Mar 15, 2004 18:15
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Point of no return ... Always remember you're unique, just like everyone else. |
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Carol
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Posted : Mar 15, 2004 19:57
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Well... maybe in different countries we have different environments. I really can't say about Israel's or Japan's crowds.
In Brazil I have never seen a fight going on in a trance party. I'm not saying that's not possible to happen, but for sure it isn't common at all. Actually, the trance crowd in Brazil is quite peaceful and friendly. That's why, from my point of view, selecting people at parties is very disrespectful.
However, I guess you've got a point there when fights are as common as you guys are describing... Too sad it's necessary to get to this selecting situation though.  |
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spliffnik
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Posted : Mar 15, 2004 21:02
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yes it really is sad it has come to this here in Tokyo. I lived in SF where something like this is not possible, like in Brazil. If the crowd is peaceful and friendly like you say, then yes of course we would have no need to select people, and if you did it would indeed be disrespectful.
I never had to think something like this until I came here, and it is very sad. Why some organizers don't care about this? They won't call the cops, and many times these people are not even ejected from the venue. What does that tell to the guys that start fights? If it happened stopping it is important, but it is also important to show that this is not only welcome, but that you will be punished by the law if you randomly assault other people. Otherwise it will continue to happen.
The commercial trance scene from what I see here in Japan has become rotten. I avoid them, and so do many others. It has changed so much here, it has really saddened me. But I guess this is the reality here, I am just going to keep doing the things I am doing to provide an environment for people who seek a friendly place.
From what I see this type of stuff happens here because ppl keep going to these parties. If this happens in your community it is critical that these events are not supported- you become part of the problem if you keep giving money to these ppl. Support for underground parties is critical!
Sorry to go off again, but I want to communicate this to everyone who loves the trance scene for its positive environment and peacefulness. Trance is pure and beautiful, and it must be kept that way, even if you have to be selecting at the door.
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NeutroN
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Posted : Mar 15, 2004 21:19
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have you guys stop to think that this is prejudice? a very small one but nevertheless prejudice.
We have already seen so many predudice before shouldn't we be the ones to change this?
mate if it bothers u so much u should select the parties more, and if it is a major problem save ur money and go to a different country for holidays, i bet u will have double fun 
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psychologic
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Posted : Mar 15, 2004 21:29
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On 2004-03-15 21:19, NeutroN wrote:
have you guys stop to think that this is prejudice? a very small one but nevertheless prejudice.
We have already seen so many predudice before shouldn't we be the ones to change this?
mate if it bothers u so much u should select the parties more, and if it is a major problem save ur money and go to a different country for holidays, i bet u will have double fun
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you take my words man... |
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Drope
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Posted : Mar 15, 2004 22:00
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Hi guys, I´m not as active here as I once was, but when Carol told somewhereelse this discussion was going on I had to pass by...
It may seen unbelievable to those who know me, but I´m pro selection here...
Let me make my self clear... Usually the thugs (those who are there to make a mess, not some one who can randomly get into one) [1] aren´t alone, [2] Hv special behaviorisms that are cohobarated by the whole group, [3] tend to disregard pp who do not hv the same cohoborism (and might even before getting in the party mock or otherwise annoy others), [4] DO NOT WANT TO PAY THE WHOLE TICKET PRICE. [5] Will threaten any one who doesn´t make their wishes true. [6] Hv a very unrespectfull behavior towards women... and the list goes on...
but then again:
[A] Choose your parties better, there are parties that THIS IS THE PUBLIC, if u go, u will meet them...
[B] Festivals in middle of nowhere locations tend to bring pp together...
[C] If u´r responsable for a party, focus on the right public, usually not informing the lineup will keep 'those pp' (what a terrible thing to say hehehe) away...
I once had an idea to make a nice selection, it would be a test, with question about plur, hindi concepts, mayan concepts, eletronical culture concepts etc etc etc... if u didn´t get it right, u would receive a booklet to study, and then u could take the test again, and if aproved, buy ur ticket...
(imo)most thugs wouldn´t bother trying again hehehe |
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Kaz
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Posted : Mar 16, 2004 02:15
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Judge not people.
Even the so called "bad" crowd behaves itself if the vibe is right, as in quite a few parties organized by moksha with what is called a "mixed crowd", there were no fights. In most parties there are no fights. In the end, the guy that selects the people will be influenced by his idea of the bad crowd, and THIS IS NOT OBJECTIVE. I don't supose all of you know the feeling of waiting 3 hours in a crowd in order to get into a party, but most of you do. Selection in the entrance causes a lot of bad things and doesn't help the vibe all that much.
Keep it organized, keep it just the right size (an SMS list with 2000 people on it is a no-no, for instance - no SMS work at all is even better), keep the vibe good, and FUN WILL CONQUER ALL.
Amen.
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inkubator
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Posted : Mar 16, 2004 04:31
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hm, kaz, hopefully i got u the right way but there is something like knowledge of human nature. and a (-->) good gorilla knows when he has to select.
just gimme more of the same. its just a test! |
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karnaf
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Posted : Mar 16, 2004 22:00
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Why not make an invititations only party??? Have a list of known friends, each one of them can come providing he has a member card / invitation. Each member can bring one additional friend (so your crowd will grow larger).
This will both be legal (selection is a borderline case, legally speaking) and maybe will make life easier at the entrance (have you ever tried to tell the "bad crowd" to go away? wear a knife-proof vest!)
Sounds like a plan!
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psilocybe
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Posted : Mar 17, 2004 18:22
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this is all incredibly hectic to read...on the one hand i understand where the PLUR bit comes in, on the other, how do u keep your party environment and your friends safe from thugs? its a bit of a catch 22 unfortunately, we preach love and acceptance but only to a selected few...
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On 2004-03-15 17:17, TiMMY wrote:
What I would do if I orangize a party is just make it underground, really underground - so only people I want there will come (and by that I mean people who like the music, this is my only selection). Other than that, from my experience when the music is really GOOD the "unwanted" crowd either goes home or stays and dances with everybody, creating a true trance experience.
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sorry to say there TIMMY, but thats a form of elitism in itself, but at this rate it seems to be the only way to go it seems, just letting the right, close knit community know of parties... |
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Insomniac
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Posted : Mar 17, 2004 20:51
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hi, im from Bolivia here in my country the scene its quite small and underground..
I use to drink a lot and i was one of people how always started a fight, but that was before i understood what this music its all about. Since then i still drink and other things, but i just go dance and have fun with people i love.............
So, imagine just because i had a bad reputation ill would be banned from parties, thats unfair.
Peace.... |
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