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Secret Psychedelica v6.1 > Monday, January 23 > ft KAISER SOZE (Chilluminati) > Santa Clara

Mr Liu
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Posted : Dec 31, 2005 03:51
Silicon Valley's only psychedelic trance night...
SECRET PSYCHEDELICA v6.1
4th Monday of every month

Monday, January 23rd, 2006
version six.one:
KAISER SOZE (Chilluminati - WI)
MUBALI (Trishula)
MAJERE (Elektrosorcery)
MICHAEL LIU (Illumination Records)

Visuals by VIBERATION GRAPHICS
Special decor by PSYBERTRIBE
Sound powered by ATARAXIA

As always, our infamous POWER HOUR will be in full effect from 10pm to 11pm > $1 draft beers

Music starts at 9pm
21+
$5 door ($3 with Secret Psychedelica flyer or a printed copy of this listing)

Located at the Savoy on 3546 Flora Vista Ave in Santa Clara CA

info - 408.278.5211

More details to follow.
Until then, learn more about our support system from these sites:
www.secretpsychedelica.com
www.clubsavoy.com
www.viberation.com
www.solidgrooves.com
www.chilluminati.org
www.trishula-records.com
www.elektrosorcery.com
www.futureoctave.com

<<ESCT>>
PsyberTribe Records
PsyberTribe Records

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Posted : Jan 1, 2006 20:47
I really hope kaiser won't be on his laptop.I really dislike the whole traktor thing.It takes no talent.I don't care what music it is.MIX IT YOURSELF!!!

michael can you please add my site on the links:)

www.psybertribe.org
famiable
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Posted : Jan 2, 2006 03:15
Change in any performance model has always been met with strong resistance from parties in the arena who are afraid that their skills will either become obsolete or lose value from the new technology that is coming out.

When radio first came out, it got immense criticism from the music industry which is now working hard to stop the internet from flourishing!! Regardless, pioneers of new technology will make sure that the advantages outweigh the cons and that will ensure its survival.


Traktor makes the mundane task of beat matching easy, giving me more time to mix, do eqing, and add effects. Spending half your time getting the beat perfectly on tempo takes away from what in my mind is more important. Track selection, seemless mixes, crowd energy level, and super star dj trixx.

This really points out the best functions of traktor. One could say that all children should learn all the multiplication tables by heart, but the advent of the calculator has shown that people adopt techonlogy when it saves them time!!

I would say that the future Djs will be smart in adopting new technology by recognizing its advantages, while simultaneously working to minimize its disadvantages. For example, the problem of crashing hard drives can easily be taken care of by carrying an external hard drive with all songs backed up, or by buying a laptop with a RAID (Redundant Array of Independent (or Inexpensive) Disks)

http://www.webopedia.com/TERM/R/RAID.html


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PsyberTribe Records
PsyberTribe Records

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Posted : Jan 3, 2006 23:49
Like I said.Mix it yourself:)
KaiserSoze
Primordial Ooze

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Posted : Jan 4, 2006 01:10
True story: "When my space bar stopped working I freaked out and thought I would have to let another dj play. But then I remembered that I had a spare space bar in my dj bag. So I wiped that shit out and was able to hit play, sit back, relax, and let the computer mix for me..."

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So, let's get this topic up to a hundred posts it will be good for advertisement...

I went from vinyl, to final scratch, to CD decks, and then to Traktor. I played vinyl for 6 years and I thought CD decks were crappy compared to the feel of vinyl. So I got final scratch. Well no one in the psy scene brings turntables and it has glitches, so I switched to the CD decks everyone else uses, but I missed the visual read out of the wav from final scratch, so I now use Traktor.

Personally I don't see the difference between using Traktor to play wav files and playing wav files from a CDJ. Both Traktor and better CDJ's can set cue points, do looping, and try to tell you the tempo of the track (not always correct on either). With a memory card better CDJ's can also save the BPM of a track and cue points, just like Traktor. If I brought memory cards for CDJ1000's with me would you notice or care?

Once play is hit all the of the mixing happens on the dj mixer not the CDJ or the computer. Unless you need to correct the tempo which both need to have done periodically. Traktor of course is a bit more accurate. If a CDJ allowed the tempo/pitch go to 1000th of a decimal point you would think it was a nice CDJ, right?



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JosieFaery

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Posted : Jan 4, 2006 03:20
All I want to say is that I greatly enjoyed your set Kaiser, I danced and danced and kept on dancing. I appreciate that you came all the way from Milwaukee to further enhance the magic of our San Fran News Years Eve. When the party location and time slots were changed you went right with the change without complaint.Your a wonderfully easy-going person. I can't wait to have a great dj and person such as yourself back in our area to play again so soon.
KaiserSoze
Primordial Ooze

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Posted : Jan 4, 2006 06:38
Thanks Josie. That really warms my heart to hear that. I definitely look forward to future visits.



DiMiTry
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Posted : Jan 4, 2006 07:34
well, there's a difference between using Traktor to mix tracks and playing a pre-mixed set. Honestly, I don't care what the DJs use to mix as long as it's LIVE and the music is good.

2 cents
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KaiserSoze
Primordial Ooze

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Posted : Jan 4, 2006 08:17
Hmm.. I'm confused then. Did you think I pre-mixed the set? If so, than yes that would be reason for a down right lynching.
famiable
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Posted : Jan 4, 2006 08:23
I would second Josie in her appraisal about Kaiser..!! Even though I have felt that he spins really hard dark trance at night..too hard to my preferences sometimes:) (I am more of a morning goa type) and I have told him this myself:)
he is very flexible in his music..his morning sets are awesome and he is definately a very helpful and easy going person..from my own personal experience..I feel very comfortable recommending him to anyone that wants a quality Dj without the tantrums!!
Pangea
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Posted : Jan 4, 2006 19:43
best of luck to you,

but in my opinon thats not djing, something that already matches the beat for you?

i think that thats the fun of djing, beat matching and doing as much as you can yourself, someone else aleady makes most the tracks you spin, it seems the least that a dj could do is beat match himself. i dont see as much talent in a computer doing it for you.

plus bought music sounds so much better.

just my opinion though.

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DiMiTry
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Posted : Jan 4, 2006 20:11
beatmatching is easy. it's the easiest thing about DJing. takes me about 20-30 seconds to match and synch the beats usually using CDJs. knowing your music, feeling the moment, seeing the dancefloor, knowing what to play next, and creating a good flow is hard.

some people have more trouble matching beats than others - take Goa Gil for example. Does that mean they shouldn't be allowed to DJ? or would you rather hear trainwrecks than have them play on, say, Traktor?

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paradigm
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Posted : Jan 4, 2006 20:56
well i think the question here, is if you are using the beat sync function with traktor or not.
You can cheat and use that little magic button, or not, and just use pitch control and make adjustments, in the typical way, just using a new tool.
If your not cheating, and playing wav's not mp-3' and still eq'ing off the mixer i dont think its that big a difference

However i do think beat matching is funadamental to being a dj., and is step 1 after aquiring a decent set of music.
I come from the old skool rave scene, you know vinyl, turntables etc, etc.
Any dj back then that couldnt beat match, wasnt called a dj. They were just "jukeboxing", and would usually never get booked again, untill they improved their skills.
Now in psy trance there are a gaggle of dj's that dont beat match, dont even attempt to, or are so horrid at it that they shoulndt. Gil is the biggest example of this, but there are so many more...
This attitude has contributed to psy dj's being considered by and large some of the worst in the electronic music scene, by our bothers and sisters in other genres.
Ever go up to a techno dj and tell em you play psy, and see them chuckle. I can tell you thats not a reaction to the genre but a reaction to the "prowess" of most trance dj's. Yeah i know psy is more about what is being played than how it is being played, but this lackadaisical attitude towards beat matching does more harm than good IMO.
and for those like me who take our mixing skills very seriously, and can hold our own against the best out there, it only hurts those who really try and care
          
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rich
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Posted : Jan 4, 2006 22:43
Hm, I'm going to let this thread continue veering off topic and pursue the question a little more...
So is it cheating to use bpm counters if they're available?
do purists slap ductape over them?
If bpm counters are acceptable tools to shorten the time it takes to beat match, isn't traktor beat sync just another feature to do the same?
Would Gil be more palatable for some if he used traktor?
KaiserSoze
Primordial Ooze

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Posted : Jan 4, 2006 22:49
I don't use the beat sync function to match the beat because I wouldn't be able to do so without it , or it being a way of being lazy, or saying that I don't care. In fact I use it because I care so much about having the kick drums phased correctly and perfect that I use a tool to let me do so.

On a CDJ you can generally only go to one decimal point of a tempo. By only having this range the chances of needing a correction happen more frequently thus diverting your attention from the what is musically happening when both songs are playing together.

When my attention is no longer drawn towards making sure the beat is phased correctly I have more time to add effects, change eq's, and though in works add in beat synced samples. To me being a better a dj is not improving my response time to beat match a track from 45 seconds down to 30 seconds. Sure I can do that, but I know that the match will never be as dead on with current cdj's or vinyl. To me it is in the extra little things I can add to the mix that make me want to practice and be a better dj.

I think the main reason Traktor is looked down upon is because a dj who uses cdj's or vinyl had to practice for a long time to learn and perfect how to beat match. Now a new technology came along that partially voids that hard work. Because of that dj's try to discount it to make that hard work seem more valid. Sure, I felt the same way, but I got over that when I saw what possibilities the software could allow me to do.

But maybe your right.. Showing the movements that you are beat matching to the crowd maybe better showmanship than not. That particular sign of effort maybe what drives some people to dance or to get into a set.

But if more dj's took the focus off beat matching and put more of focus on other techniques the quality of sets will improve.



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