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PsYcHoClOwN
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Posted : Feb 12, 2003 18:47
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ny is dieing. too much progressive trance, to much sleep in parties. bring back karahana!!!! |
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Krod20
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Posted : Feb 12, 2003 20:51
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can you be more specific to a particular event where you had such an experience and why?
Come to SF full on super full on. |
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Mammoth Hunter
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Posted : Feb 12, 2003 21:32
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Haaaaaaaaaa! There's a judgment call right there! I didn't know progressive psy trance was supposed to be bad, I guess I missed that memo. Psy trance culture is about having an open mind and being receptive to new things, I guess you missed THAT memo!
As far as the NY scene is concerned, the last two Omnitribe parties, featuring Noma and SBK respectively were absolute killers. Great vibe and great music!!! Those guys are working really hard and outdoing themselves every time!!! And all this is done with great love which has crushed the concerted, calculated efforts of certain people to sabotage their events.
And if you like full-on, you still have plenty of choice: weeklies, Goa Trash, Tsunami and Home of Trance to name a few. As a matter of fact, this weekend, Tsunami is having a party with Parasense, who wise people have said are one of the most exciting full-on acts at the moment, just check the CD reviews section on this forum. If you feel someting is dying, it is entirely a perception of yours. Cheer up and be positive, a great year for trance is coming!
Love and Light! |
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PsYcHoClOwN
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Posted : Feb 12, 2003 22:44
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well buddy, as much as i see myself 100% trance im sorry not to share with you the same peace and love feelings.
alittle critisism is allways good. as for omnitribe, they are one of the reasons to the bad situation in NYC. they dont listen to MOST of the crowd and play their "go to sleep" music. the last atmos party (though it wasnt omnitribe but same people) for example was one of the worst i'v been to, and im speaking for lots of other people. and you cant argue with facts- 2 years ago in the same NYC much more people came to parties with much much more energy. so yeah, im glad home of trance did the party same day as SBK and showed there is a chance for trance, but there's alot more to be done.
as for my personal opinion, what you call progressive trance, is not a bad thing, its just shouldnt be called trance (and im saying it with all the respect). as someone who loves trance i hate to go to those parties, pay 30-35$ and not get INTO trance if you know what i mean. (just look how subtle caos killed New year's party which was suppoused to last 24 hours).
oh well, i hope you dont take it too hard.
have fun.
P.s
one more thing.
those things you call weekday parties like goa trash and the one on thursdays are nice fun get togethers, but are far from being called- trance parties.
adios. |
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Krod20
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Posted : Feb 13, 2003 00:33
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I agree with Mammoth I think you are being more negative by conspicously and politicaly putting progressive style down.
Like he said you have Parasense
YOu had that killer line up for new Years
Xenomoprh sesto sento and double dragon
I think you are looking for something too specific. and that would never happened
I prefer prg and the only time is play here its in the beginning and the last time we had semi prg show was plastik park and that was ok if you play too much of any style it gets boring. |
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Mammoth Hunter
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Posted : Feb 13, 2003 00:43
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Dear PsYcHoClOwN,
It's very sad you don't share the peace and love feelings!
As far as Omnitribe is concerned, it seems that you're very much aware what music is played at their parties. You don't have to go if you don't like it. Is someone forcing you to go? And the most they have every charged for a party is 25 bucks.
The Atmos party was NOT an Omnitribe party, so don't blame them if you didn't enjoy it. I didn't think it was that great either. I've been to four parties at that location already and the two Omnitribe events were sooo much better. There is a difference. Had you come to see SBK, you'd have known for yourself. I realize that there's a lot of frustration in people who prefer full-on in New York because you don't have quality events since Gilles stopped doing parties, but is that a reason to accuse other promoters of killing the scene?
About the New Years' party I only enjoyed the set Jason and Vadim played. But I've always liked techno/trance. The thing is, different people like different music and you don't have to lash out at the ones who like slightly, and I emphasize, SLIGHTLY different music than you. If you ask me, the bigger danger for trance is that the mainstream part of it is getting into an AC/DC mode and sticking w/ the same music formula for too long. But I'm not going to go around pointing fingers and complain because I didn't enjoy somebody's set.
So the bottom line is, you go the Home of Trance/Tsunami parties and I'll go the Omnitribe parties and everyone will be happy.
In case we meet sometimes at a party, I'll be happy to talk to you or smoke the joint of peace  , I fully respect all trance people!!!
Yours truly,
Mammoth Hunter. |
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PsYcHoClOwN
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Posted : Feb 13, 2003 01:35
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well man, i guess you dont get my point, im not here to attack omnitribe (though i dont like them or their music) but to wake up the right people incase they reading it and know what i mean. i know the trance scene in NY for long time, and all the people involve in it, and im telling you its a fact less and less people are coming to parties and the energy is more down then before. it's a fact, not an argument. but whatever, coz you know what, ill keep going to the trance party no metter who makes them hoping before every party its going to be good.
so yeah, lets just drop it.
peace and love
btw, we probably know each other,
who are you?
adios. |
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Mammoth Hunter
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Posted : Feb 13, 2003 03:12
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On 2003-02-13 01:35, PsYcHoClOwN wrote:
but whatever, coz you know what, ill keep going to the trance party no metter who makes them hoping before every party its going to be good.
so yeah, lets just drop it.
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And I hope they turn out good for you more often!
Peace! |
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Apocalypse Now
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Posted : Feb 13, 2003 05:45
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From a purely subjective point, I would be bored out my skull if every party I went to played the same GMS/Astrix/Alien Project formula tracks.
I'll agree with you that Atmos and to a lesser extent SBK are distancing themselves from the psytrance scene but from what I can tell Omni Tribe is doing a great job in New York and they are a excellant alternative to the more commercial but better organized Tsunami and House of Trance.
I am disappointed though that this gap between psy and prog lovers has been formed and I hope that a good DJ will come and show people that both styles have a lot to offer at the right time and place. A party wouldn't be a party for me if I didn't hear Son Kite and Reefer Decree style tracks along with pumping psytrance like Simon, Infected and GMS. Not back to back ofcourse but as a well told story.
Psytrance is such a small genre (especially in the US) that splitting it into two will almost definetly kill it.
 Both teams played hard |
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PsYcHoClOwN
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Posted : Feb 13, 2003 08:01
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well those are good words apocalypse but...
psytrance does not mean only GMS, astrix, or alien project. believe me, i was in goa last year and allmost every party had the same tracks by those artists and im sick of it as well. but there are much more good psy music out there (transdriver, transwave, 1200 mics, neuromotor etc...) which wont fit the prog omnitribe parties and thats too bad for me. and one more thing, when home of trance woke up and made the party on jan 24 only local djs played and when alex played in the morning he gave the best set of really old trance but thats really a metter of taste.
and maybe to show what i mean if you guys remember the sinthetic sadhus party few monthes ago with the great oforia...all those big names played inside couldnt keep the people from leaving to the small spot outdoor where alex and yoni played (old style trance again...) and making great energy of karahana. after all, its not the name of the dj or his/theirs reputation making the party, its the music they play. and actually, if you look once from the side when you're in parties you'll see that psy trance people allmost never enjoy prog parties when prog people usually get in the atmosphere of a good psy party.
and if you guys wanna talk about omni tribe, thats for another topic, and ill give you the honor the open it )
see you on the 14th, and the 21st. |
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Krod20
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Posted : Feb 13, 2003 10:55
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I think that is what is going to happened because many times I m just bored 3 4 am just too dark too full on specially when you know there wont be any nice morning tracks! So this year I think there will more of push to have progressive stage and full on at the out door parties which is sad because it is seperating the community and this is what promoter dont see. That eventually you ll create this seperation.
Hmm I was at the plastic park party and it was awesome may be you have suckie prog DJs that play really slow boring stuff. But i also went to a party in Portugal put out by Plusquam and it was the worst party ever. People where just sitting on the dance floor so there is a big chance that a prog party could be really bad. The music was just too slow and techquie and these were suppost to big DJs mapusa mapusa fabio James monroe etc. ALSO
Remember It is much easier to dance to bad goa than to dance to bad prog is specialy whe you are tripping is not that I m getting into the party but I m just making the most of it and at least do some exersice. Thats why its much easier to spin Goa full on because you might a bad DJ have bad track selection or top 10 but people will still dance because still high BPM danceable. But techquie progressive if you pick bad tracks you can really bring the mood of the party to the floor. so track selection is xtremely important. |
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subtlechaos
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Posted : Feb 13, 2003 19:28
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On 2003-02-12 18:47, PsYcHoClOwN wrote:
ny is dieing. too much progressive trance, to much sleep in parties. bring back karahana!!!!
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Dearest PSYKOCOMPLETECLOWN going by your qoute i guess you do not approve of Subtlechaos sound.....just for the record it's Subtlechaos not subtlecaos but thats okay you were probably choking from the smoke out of your poland spring bottle..........anyway here's the deal for you to get into your head and hopefully if you dont tip your head over to the side too much the idea will stay firmly planted in your ever depleting shell........SUBTLECHAOS is not playing full on israelian sound we never have and never will. We have been doing Psy Tek &
progressive parties in Ny for years and still will be long after you get forced to go back into the army again.
As for NYE no one cares what you think really you are just one more Arsim in a league of many so do yourself a favor and stick to what you know.....Karahana(sounds like something you woud eat with Pita) yours sincerely SUBTLECHAOS PSY-TEK SYSTEMS |
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Infinite_Sun
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Posted : Feb 13, 2003 19:50
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Jason's got a good point there, stick to what you know. If all your gonna do is complain about the scene and reflect how how it good it use to be then just go home and stop bothering the people that actually trying to do something about it. Some of us care enough to not care what you think PsYcHoClOwN.
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PsYcHoClOwN
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Posted : Feb 13, 2003 20:53
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jason please dont cry. first of all, even the organizers of New year's party said you killed their party. if you say you play psy tek well good for you, but nye party was TRANCE party. thats the problem with people like you in NY, instead of listening to the crowd (even if you dont agree, there's a way to respond) you just think you're the best. buttom line you took it too personally.
shanti shanti baba, anger will only make you old faster
krod, good point also, nice to see someone understand. |
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subtlechaos
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Posted : Feb 14, 2003 00:02
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Dearest PSYCHO........
I doubt highly that Michel would have said such a thing if you actually noticed the party died of it's own accord at around 7am there was maybe 50 people inside. It had nothing to do with the fact we were not playing Astral Rejection for you we did play lots of Quirk etc etc and i'm sure the honorable Tim Healy would agree his music is very psychedelic it just does not have that atmospheric sound you obviously love so much.
We at Subtlechaos are very very happy to see that the full on israelian crowd does not appreciate our sound if they did we would have called ourselves'' fluffy mushroom'' or something to that effect.
There is great lesson for you here pal if you see our name on a flyer (several in the next few months) dont GO.
BOOM SHANKAR TO YA.....................
P.S you seem really concerned about anger managment why is this? did you get some shrapnel embedded in you cranium as a child.
Thanks for the concern anyway Baba.
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On 2003-02-13 20:53, PsYcHoClOwN wrote:
jason please dont cry. first of all, even the organizers of New year's party said you killed their party. if you say you play psy tek well good for you, but nye party was TRANCE party. thats the problem with people like you in NY, instead of listening to the crowd (even if you dont agree, there's a way to respond) you just think you're the best. buttom line you took it too personally.
shanti shanti baba, anger will only make you old faster
krod, good point also, nice to see someone understand.
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