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Saturday February 12th__Truffle and Sonic Dragon CD Release Party+++California

.B.O.B.


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Posted : Feb 16, 2005 05:43
I had a rockin' good time, perhaps to good of a time, eh Psyclops, you like that, Im the king of technical difficulties and other than that it was one of the better parties I have been to in awile, I seriously had a great time out ther, very healing.

Mucho thanks to all
djSF


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Posted : Feb 16, 2005 07:29
hey - this is better drama than the OC!!! just think I get to be banned from playing after my first real gig!!!! and all in the name of safety - gwyn
Mistress of Evil
Mistress Of Evil Records

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Posted : Feb 16, 2005 07:42
granted i didn't make it to the party afterall, so i don't know the whole story, but Bodhi your words seem a bit harsh, it sounds like Gwyn was rightfully concerned about the safety of the party goers... what good is a "good vibe" if the safety of the attendees is in jeopardy? As a promoter it is your responsibility to do everything within your power to provide a SAFE environment for the people who attend your party... trance parties are not immune to accidents, and real precautions still need to be taken... just glad that no one was really hurt and that everyone who made it had a great time and enjoyed the music. Curious for your new album Bodhi, and as for Mubali, damn!!! you rock!
just my two cents,
megan           Bringing Dreams to Life!
www.encantadaproductions.com
Maska
IsraTrance Junior Member

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Posted : Feb 16, 2005 18:16
Quote:

On 2005-02-16 03:06, daya wrote:
i wish i was there, and benza, did you have some Foster or VB or Swan b4 you rock the scene? yea mate!




Victoria Bitter is awesome....I wish they sold it here.
          assumption is the mother of all fuckups.
Bodhi 13:20
Bodhisattva 13:20

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Posts :  725
Posted : Feb 16, 2005 20:50
Quote:

On 2005-02-16 07:42, Mistress of Evil wrote:
granted i didn't make it to the party afterall, so i don't know the whole story, but Bodhi your words seem a bit harsh, it sounds like Gwyn was rightfully concerned about the safety of the party goers... what good is a "good vibe" if the safety of the attendees is in jeopardy? As a promoter it is your responsibility to do everything within your power to provide a SAFE environment for the people who attend your party... trance parties are not immune to accidents, and real precautions still need to be taken... just glad that no one was really hurt and that everyone who made it had a great time and enjoyed the music. Curious for your new album Bodhi, and as for Mubali, damn!!! you rock!
just my two cents,
megan




Absolutely Megan. Safety is a major concern. I would never put anybody's life in jeopardy. Which I didn't. I assure you. There was really no possible chance of anyone getting hurt whatsoever, just a bit of mud on their cars. However, there was a car that didn't do so well, but that car's time was up anyways.

I won't sit here and go over every detail of the story/drama, but Megan, you can PM me if you'd like. My words might seem a bit harsh, but they are completely just and I stand by them.

gwyn.....in the name of safety??? you are soooooo full of it
mubali
Mubali

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Posts :  2219
Posted : Feb 16, 2005 21:20
To avoid continuing any of this particular rancor, I think that the road wasn't as bad. Yes it was muddy, but that wasn't the case prior to the show when the post was made about it being all clear. Sometimes you really can't account for the changing weather. We realized this at Puddles of Sound. But I wouldn't have thought that the road was unsafe, especially if there were cars coming down that road while all of us were parked at the bottom. It definitely was a challenge to drive the muddy road, but at the same time it was something fun and unexpected that really heightened the vibe of the party. People really appreciate the outdoor show much more when you have to apply your skills to make it happen. There weren't any observers at that place. They were all participants. They braved the elements and their personal fears to make it to that show and dance their asses off. I am sorry that some people were not able to commit to making it to the show.
Megan, people react differently to adverse situations, most people that go to electronic music shows would have definitely turned around and left before getting on that road. Going to the outdoor psy gatherings have instilled a go anywhere do anything type of mentality, and I feel that really opens us up to being able to deal with any situation. All the people that dealt with the road are totally hardcore and committed to the party, that is Tits in my book!

Sometimes, things don't work out the way it's planned. The people that are used to having things perfect will recognise that a situation is flawed and find a way to extricate themselves from it. The people who realize that nothing is perfect and make due, try to find a solution to the situation and enlighten those that haven't found the solution. That was the case for this show. Adversity was definitely overcome, and all in all the show was a huge success!!!! So instead of having this huge IMHO b.s. discussion over the road conditions, let us focus on the event and how people weren't sheep and adapted to the situation to have a good time. For me that is really what this scene is about.... There are no obstacles, only challenges. If you are up to meet the challenge, then the rewards are there for you.           An Eagle may soar, but Weasels don't get sucked into jet engines.
rich
IsraTrance Full Member

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Posts :  2184
Posted : Feb 16, 2005 21:35
Mubali said it all. it was a challenge and an adventure getting there. that's it. no life or limb was in jeopardy.

and I still haven't washed my car

synchron24/7


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Posted : Feb 16, 2005 23:15
Quote:
direct quote taken from tribe.net (another location where directions for the benza party were posted) "The weather will be excellent, as shown on both www.weather.com and www.accuweather.com. It seems to be VERY nice weather considering the time of year"....it gets better..."Hardly any rain has fallen in this area. The storm passed it by, leaving little to no precipitation"....and yet it gets even better...The dirt road is graded on a weekly basis. Should you run into any soft or muddy spots or spots where runoff crosses the road, which you most definitely shouldn't, it's best to go around or speed through these spots as long as there's no depression in the roads. Now bodhi....Granted that your party was amazing and it had somne of the best psytrance consistantly throughout that I have ever heard. I agree with mistress of evil that it is your responsibility as a Promoter to think of safty first. It would be cool if you recogniosed these posters for their true concern rather than attack them personaly with words like you are so full of it or you will be delt with later. your right the party happened but we and bill re luck no one got hurt because it sure wasn't your neck on the line. I will be waiting for your totaly out of context personal attack on me, but hopefully you and everyone else involved with your party will realize THERE ARE STILL CARS UP ThERE THAT HAVENT MADE IT HOME.


On 2005-02-16 20:50, Bodhi 13:20 wrote:
Quote:

On 2005-02-16 07:42, Mistress of Evil wrote:
granted i didn't make it to the party afterall, so i don't know the whole story, but Bodhi your words seem a bit harsh, it sounds like Gwyn was rightfully concerned about the safety of the party goers... what good is a "good vibe" if the safety of the attendees is in jeopardy? As a promoter it is your responsibility to do everything within your power to provide a SAFE environment for the people who attend your party... trance parties are not immune to accidents, and real precautions still need to be taken... just glad that no one was really hurt and that everyone who made it had a great time and enjoyed the music. Curious for your new album Bodhi, and as for Mubali, damn!!! you rock!
just my two cents,
megan




Absolutely Megan. Safety is a major concern. I would never put anybody's life in jeopardy. Which I didn't. I assure you. There was really no possible chance of anyone getting hurt whatsoever, just a bit of mud on their cars. However, there was a car that didn't do so well, but that car's time was up anyways.

I won't sit here and go over every detail of the story/drama, but Megan, you can PM me if you'd like. My words might seem a bit harsh, but they are completely just and I stand by them.

gwyn.....in the name of safety??? you are soooooo full of it

mubali
Mubali

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Posts :  2219
Posted : Feb 17, 2005 01:13
The concern of safety is definitely first and foremost on the mind of any responsible promoter. If the road had been incredibly hazardous to the point where noone, not even the organizers themselves could make it up there, I am certain that the location of the event would have been changed or cancelled. It is true that the road was difficult to handle, but at the same time there were quite a few people with many different types of cars that were able to make it there.

As to Bohdi's response to the individual poster...
There is some history behind the individual that didn't make it onto this particular forum. I don't think there is any particular need to go into detail about their situation, however it is considered good form to address any issue with an individual in private, rather than making a spectacle in a public forum. His response was just an honest reaction to having his name dragged through the mud so to speak. Personally, I feel that the comments that were made were not warranted. Some people feel that they will get the feedback that they want by bringing a private issue to a public place.

The fact of the matter is, when you drove through the town where the show was at, did you bother to look at the sky? Was it drizzling? Did you take that into consideration when you were driving? It's really easy to blame an organizer for a situation that was out of their control, but it's just as simple to take some personal responsibility and be a bit prepared. You see it's drizzling, despite the forcast saying different and you prepare for it. It is that simple. I don't even drive and I made it a point to let the people who were driving me know that we need to be extra careful on the road.

True there were cars that had a difficult time making it up, but there were also people on standby with pickups to offer shuttle service and help anyone who got stuck. That in itself states the commitment to the well being that the organizers had. Sure they could have had the show at some warehouse in LA or something like that at the slightest chance of rain, but what would that have done to the energy of that show? Would the vibe have been as good as it was there, knowing that everyone there overcame adversity to make it there and they really wanted to be there?

Personally, I would not have enjoyed that show as much as I did had it been indoors.

I can relate to Bohdi's feelings about basically being attacked on a public forum. There is a tact issue at hand here and as an individual if someone decides to attack me on a public forum, you'd be sure that I would respond in kind on that same forum. That is a normal human reaction. I am certain that if the comments about being sorry that they invited their friends to a party had not been made, Bohdi would not have made the response.

There are too many intangibles to this situation for it to even be fully understood by those that either weren't there or didn't know the situation, therefore I don't even think that any of those comments needed to be on this thread. If you have an issue with how a show was done, take it up with the organizer first. Don't just sling some mud in a public forum hoping that the people that weren't even connected to the situation will sympathize with you. And if you are going to sling some mud, at least present the entire situation so that people will get a better perspective on it...

The party went off, people had fun, it was a difficult time to get there, but not impossible. Some people didn't mind the road at all, some people did. But it's over and done with. If you really had an issue with the road or the organizers, then it would be just as easy to stay at home and have your own party.

Sorry for ranting on like this, but this entire thread has degenerated into a bunch of people jumpin in the Kool-Aid without knowing the flavor.
So enough with the friggin mud slinging, we had enough of that Saturday.
          An Eagle may soar, but Weasels don't get sucked into jet engines.
djSF


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Posted : Feb 17, 2005 01:14
oh I forgot to mention that the land owner was also for cancelling the party due to the road condition, gwyn
Bodhi 13:20
Bodhisattva 13:20

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Posted : Feb 17, 2005 01:21
synchron 24/7--Who are you? Have you not read any of the other posts? You obviously do not know what's going on here. This issue is between me and gwyn.

The only car left up there belongs to Paul Fox. Friends of mine stayed until Sunday night helping him but he just kept having problems so somebody else took over taking care of him. Muddy and broken down cars have nothing to do with safety.

When you say you expect "a totally out of context personal attack", then you obviously do not know me and you assume I am too defensive towards some random poster. This is between me and gwen.

In fact, since this is between me and gwen, I would appreciate if there was nobody else who would talk about the roads on this thread. If you want, give me a call on my VM 619-340-0169, leave your number, and I will talk about it all day with anyone if I have to.
djSF


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Posts :  208
Posted : Feb 17, 2005 01:27
bohdi - I'm done talking about this and would appreciate if we could not take this up at another time, I don't see what good will come of it, and quite frankly if this is the level you're taking your discussion on a public forum I do not feel comfortable talking to you privatly, gwyn
synchron24/7


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Posted : Feb 17, 2005 01:32
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Mubali ....Yes I bothered to look at the sky. The sky looked like there was rain possible. I had no Idea of the down poor that had happened previously that afternoon, seeing as how I live in los angeles and all. It had been clearing for allmost 24 hours here and bodhi's email said no rain no mud ect. so as to your coment about bothering to look in the sky yes I did and since I was a passenge in a jeep wrangler with 4wd we went anyway and you know what ...we got stuck anyway. I go to desert parties all the time and understand the risks or doing it. the thing that bums me out more is the personal problems being taken public. and to say that guen almost ruined the entire party? how? because she brought up the valid point that the road might not be safe? let me tell you the way we got up there. We decided to leave the jeep and hike 5 miles in the mud. Luckily some teenagers picked us up, however this kid driving thought we were on a subaru all wheel drive race track and could have gotten us killed at several points in the trip up the mountain. Given the abount of support available on the road (none unless you count to 30 or so cars with no one in them stuck in the mud) this was our olnly option to get to a place where some one could help us. thank God for Jason he rocks and he sinle handedly pulled 90% of the stuck cars out and even helped phil to get his fan belt installed in his ride unfortunatly the car sustained heaver radiator damage aswell. last I checked phil trip seven's car is still up there with a giant hole in the radiator. I believe he said something on tribe .net to the effect of I spent next months rent on a new radiator and am going up to try to install it just as soon as federal express delivers it. There are other reports of cars not running properly or being sent to the shop for repair. So all I am sayin mubali is that bodhi was going to be out a lot of money if he didin't throw the party so he thought of his pocket book before his crowd. I ended up haveing a blast and am in a very glad he did because the community really came together to help one another and I was proud of that, but I am not proud of being put second to money.
On 2005-02-17 01:13, mubali wrote:
The concern of safety is definitely first and foremost on the mind of any responsible promoter. If the road had been incredibly hazardous to the point where noone, not even the organizers themselves could make it up there, I am certain that the location of the event would have been changed or cancelled. It is true that the road was difficult to handle, but at the same time there were quite a few people with many different types of cars that were able to make it there.

As to Bohdi's response to the individual poster...
There is some history behind the individual that didn't make it onto this particular forum. I don't think there is any particular need to go into detail about their situation, however it is considered good form to address any issue with an individual in private, rather than making a spectacle in a public forum. His response was just an honest reaction to having his name dragged through the mud so to speak. Personally, I feel that the comments that were made were not warranted. Some people feel that they will get the feedback that they want by bringing a private issue to a public place.

The fact of the matter is, when you drove through the town where the show was at, did you bother to look at the sky? Was it drizzling? Did you take that into consideration when you were driving? It's really easy to blame an organizer for a situation that was out of their control, but it's just as simple to take some personal responsibility and be a bit prepared. You see it's drizzling, despite the forcast saying different and you prepare for it. It is that simple. I don't even drive and I made it a point to let the people who were driving me know that we need to be extra careful on the road.

True there were cars that had a difficult time making it up, but there were also people on standby with pickups to offer shuttle service and help anyone who got stuck. That in itself states the commitment to the well being that the organizers had. Sure they could have had the show at some warehouse in LA or something like that at the slightest chance of rain, but what would that have done to the energy of that show? Would the vibe have been as good as it was there, knowing that everyone there overcame adversity to make it there and they really wanted to be there?

Personally, I would not have enjoyed that show as much as I did had it been indoors.

I can relate to Bohdi's feelings about basically being attacked on a public forum. There is a tact issue at hand here and as an individual if someone decides to attack me on a public forum, you'd be sure that I would respond in kind on that same forum. That is a normal human reaction. I am certain that if the comments about being sorry that they invited their friends to a party had not been made, Bohdi would not have made the response.

There are too many intangibles to this situation for it to even be fully understood by those that either weren't there or didn't know the situation, therefore I don't even think that any of those comments needed to be on this thread. If you have an issue with how a show was done, take it up with the organizer first. Don't just sling some mud in a public forum hoping that the people that weren't even connected to the situation will sympathize with you. And if you are going to sling some mud, at least present the entire situation so that people will get a better perspective on it...

The party went off, people had fun, it was a difficult time to get there, but not impossible. Some people didn't mind the road at all, some people did. But it's over and done with. If you really had an issue with the road or the organizers, then it would be just as easy to stay at home and have your own party.

Sorry for ranting on like this, but this entire thread has degenerated into a bunch of people jumpin in the Kool-Aid without knowing the flavor.
So enough with the friggin mud slinging, we had enough of that Saturday.



synchron24/7


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Posts :  20
Posted : Feb 17, 2005 01:40
Quote:
Yes mubali I will agree that we have had enough of that saturday...and everything did go smoothly considering what could have happened and we should just leave it at that before we beat a dead horse into the ground...Brian
On 2005-02-17 01:32, synchron24/7 wrote:
Quote:
Mubali ....Yes I bothered to look at the sky. The sky looked like there was rain possible. I had no Idea of the down poor that had happened previously that afternoon, seeing as how I live in los angeles and all. It had been clearing for allmost 24 hours here and bodhi's email said no rain no mud ect. so as to your coment about bothering to look in the sky yes I did and since I was a passenge in a jeep wrangler with 4wd we went anyway and you know what ...we got stuck anyway. I go to desert parties all the time and understand the risks or doing it. the thing that bums me out more is the personal problems being taken public. and to say that guen almost ruined the entire party? how? because she brought up the valid point that the road might not be safe? let me tell you the way we got up there. We decided to leave the jeep and hike 5 miles in the mud. Luckily some teenagers picked us up, however this kid driving thought we were on a subaru all wheel drive race track and could have gotten us killed at several points in the trip up the mountain. Given the abount of support available on the road (none unless you count to 30 or so cars with no one in them stuck in the mud) this was our olnly option to get to a place where some one could help us. thank God for Jason he rocks and he sinle handedly pulled 90% of the stuck cars out and even helped phil to get his fan belt installed in his ride unfortunatly the car sustained heaver radiator damage aswell. last I checked phil trip seven's car is still up there with a giant hole in the radiator. I believe he said something on tribe .net to the effect of I spent next months rent on a new radiator and am going up to try to install it just as soon as federal express delivers it. There are other reports of cars not running properly or being sent to the shop for repair. So all I am sayin mubali is that bodhi was going to be out a lot of money if he didin't throw the party so he thought of his pocket book before his crowd. I ended up haveing a blast and am in a very glad he did because the community really came together to help one another and I was proud of that, but I am not proud of being put second to money.
On 2005-02-17 01:13, mubali wrote:
The concern of safety is definitely first and foremost on the mind of any responsible promoter. If the road had been incredibly hazardous to the point where noone, not even the organizers themselves could make it up there, I am certain that the location of the event would have been changed or cancelled. It is true that the road was difficult to handle, but at the same time there were quite a few people with many different types of cars that were able to make it there.

As to Bohdi's response to the individual poster...
There is some history behind the individual that didn't make it onto this particular forum. I don't think there is any particular need to go into detail about their situation, however it is considered good form to address any issue with an individual in private, rather than making a spectacle in a public forum. His response was just an honest reaction to having his name dragged through the mud so to speak. Personally, I feel that the comments that were made were not warranted. Some people feel that they will get the feedback that they want by bringing a private issue to a public place.

The fact of the matter is, when you drove through the town where the show was at, did you bother to look at the sky? Was it drizzling? Did you take that into consideration when you were driving? It's really easy to blame an organizer for a situation that was out of their control, but it's just as simple to take some personal responsibility and be a bit prepared. You see it's drizzling, despite the forcast saying different and you prepare for it. It is that simple. I don't even drive and I made it a point to let the people who were driving me know that we need to be extra careful on the road.

True there were cars that had a difficult time making it up, but there were also people on standby with pickups to offer shuttle service and help anyone who got stuck. That in itself states the commitment to the well being that the organizers had. Sure they could have had the show at some warehouse in LA or something like that at the slightest chance of rain, but what would that have done to the energy of that show? Would the vibe have been as good as it was there, knowing that everyone there overcame adversity to make it there and they really wanted to be there?

Personally, I would not have enjoyed that show as much as I did had it been indoors.

I can relate to Bohdi's feelings about basically being attacked on a public forum. There is a tact issue at hand here and as an individual if someone decides to attack me on a public forum, you'd be sure that I would respond in kind on that same forum. That is a normal human reaction. I am certain that if the comments about being sorry that they invited their friends to a party had not been made, Bohdi would not have made the response.

There are too many intangibles to this situation for it to even be fully understood by those that either weren't there or didn't know the situation, therefore I don't even think that any of those comments needed to be on this thread. If you have an issue with how a show was done, take it up with the organizer first. Don't just sling some mud in a public forum hoping that the people that weren't even connected to the situation will sympathize with you. And if you are going to sling some mud, at least present the entire situation so that people will get a better perspective on it...

The party went off, people had fun, it was a difficult time to get there, but not impossible. Some people didn't mind the road at all, some people did. But it's over and done with. If you really had an issue with the road or the organizers, then it would be just as easy to stay at home and have your own party.

Sorry for ranting on like this, but this entire thread has degenerated into a bunch of people jumpin in the Kool-Aid without knowing the flavor.
So enough with the friggin mud slinging, we had enough of that Saturday.





synchron24/7


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Posts :  20
Posted : Feb 17, 2005 01:49
Quote:
I am Brian and excuse me for forgetting to add my identity to hte previous post. So obviously I know both of you personaly although I know you much lees than guen. I am intitled to my opinion just as you are and my coment about totaly out of context personal attack was mostly directed at your defensive comments directed at guen. As mubali said those coments should have been placed in Pm as guens coment should have as weel...but 2 wrongs don't make a right anyway you look at it. enough said
On 2005-02-17 01:21, Bodhi 13:20 wrote:
synchron 24/7--Who are you? Have you not read any of the other posts? You obviously do not know what's going on here. This issue is between me and gwyn.

The only car left up there belongs to Paul Fox. Friends of mine stayed until Sunday night helping him but he just kept having problems so somebody else took over taking care of him. Muddy and broken down cars have nothing to do with safety.

When you say you expect "a totally out of context personal attack", then you obviously do not know me and you assume I am too defensive towards some random poster. This is between me and gwen.

In fact, since this is between me and gwen, I would appreciate if there was nobody else who would talk about the roads on this thread. If you want, give me a call on my VM 619-340-0169, leave your number, and I will talk about it all day with anyone if I have to.

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