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Psy_mystic
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Posted : Apr 30, 2005 16:28
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i got some sort of a flyer yesterday about an event taking place at Parko Eleutherias on 7th of may.It is about decriminalisation of cannabis ,with live performances (not trance music) DJS,joggling,information on the subject
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I dont know about u but i found it intereseting,and i think im gonna b there..
anyways,have fun these days
peace
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Gopendragon
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Posted : May 1, 2005 13:22
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yes my friend I also new that, legalise it,it is time for our freedom,people have to respect us ,we have rights to defend,but we must be carefull and dont carry anything elegal stuff,people from all europe would come for this union!!!
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Psy_mystic
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Posted : May 1, 2005 15:26
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yes man,i agree 100%-we should b EXTRA careful,we mustn't forget that unfortunately every1 is against us
respect
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andonis
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Posted : May 5, 2005 05:07
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I think it is a shame we as a scene are not represented in such actions, since imo we are the most concerned with it. Legalize all drugs  .
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DETOX
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Posted : May 5, 2005 08:26
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Andonis you want the government to legalize heroin?I am asking you this because you said 'Legalize All Drugs'.I suggest in the future to be more careful on what you say specially in such controversial issues.
By the way noone can or has the right to 'represent the trance scene' in such an action simply because not everyone in this scene supports the use of drugs.
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LNE78poi
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Posted : May 5, 2005 10:46
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Excellent we have to let everyone know how many we are, at last... it's a good start to make them reconsider the "zero tolerance" policy. Time to put the police to do some real work on heroin dealers, instead of being lazy slacks and only chase poor pot smokers.
Representation of trance scene or any scene of music in such events would be weird, but honest.
"If you don't believe drugs have made good things for us, do me a favour, go to your home, take all your albums, tapes and cds and burn them, cos u know what, all those artists who have enhanced your life with their music throughout the years... real high on drugs"- Bill Hicks.
Even non users have to acknowledge that, and show some respect at last. |
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LNE78poi
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Posted : May 5, 2005 10:51
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On 2005-05-05 10:46, LNE78poi wrote:
Excellent we have to let everyone know how many we are, at last... it's a good start to make them reconsider the "zero tolerance" policy. Time to put the police to do some real work on heroin dealers, instead of being lazy slacks and only chase poor pot smokers.
Representation of trance scene or any scene of music in such events would be weird, but honest.
"If you don't believe drugs have made good things for us, do me a favour, go to your home, take all your albums, tapes and cds and burn them, cos u know what, all those artists who have enhanced your life with their music throughout the years... real high on drugs"- Bill Hicks.
Even non users have to acknowledge that, and show some respect at last.
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I'm glad mushrooms are illegal.Once I took,you know what happened?I laid in a field of green grass for 4 hours, going, 'My God, I love everything.' This is a hazard to our country, how are we going to sell weapons if we realize we are all one?" Bill Hicks |
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griniaris
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Posted : May 5, 2005 11:08
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What the f..k are you talking about? Jesus! Are you f...ed up? Hmera Drashs and boolshit! The heroin dealers are tha same dealers for cannadis. And for your record after cannabis you open the way for heroin addiction! Stop believing that nice story about smoking a pot on the grass and dancing all night and the flowers are growing and all this shit! How lovely to say "those poor pot smokers". Get real mate! Cannabis is a drug you like it or not and after that the cocaine comes or the extasy or trypaki and after all that nothing can chillout you except the heroin were you can find it from the cannabis dealer. So BRAVO to the fu..ed up ppl who will protest about their own death just because they need freedom to "fill their head" with something!
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atlanticark
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Posted : May 5, 2005 11:15
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Yes Detox, i think the government should decriminalise (not necessarily legalise) all drugs and heroin should be prescribed to addicts. I really don't see why we should continue letting the mafia running such a ludicrous trade. Besides i don't think that anyone was ever prevented from using drugs just because they are illegal. Quite the contrary i 'd say. Very often people start using them just because they are illegal.
Drugs are out there and for as long they are out there there will be people who want to consume them. Bringing their distribution and consumption into some kind of legal framework is the only way to control their expansion and to protect their users from dealing with the underworld.
So, full support to the International Day of Action. Let's behave as citizens, for once, about an issue that has a lot to do with our scene. |
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griniaris
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Posted : May 5, 2005 11:19
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Oh and something else LINE78poi I forgot to say that yes very honest from the trance scene to be involved in this " kai na vgoume teleiws karta" and we can also say that cannabis is very healthy with many vitamins and once you smoke you can dance all night we also wrote songs about it! Try it ppl you might like it! You can also smoke DMT as 1200 mics suggest!
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atlanticark
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Posted : May 5, 2005 12:17
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Griniari, i think you need to chill out a bit. Most of us have seen nasty things happening to friends because of drug abuse. I also agree there are people in trance scene (and not only in trance) who foolishly think that drugs is just a joyride.
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People have to realise that there is life outside the trance scene. Decriminalisation of all drugs is a long standing objective for a very respected international action group of doctors, scientists, academics, journalists, politicians and drug-users. Their point is simple: Why such a multi-billion trade has been entirely left in the hands of the mafia.
Drugs have been illegal for well over a century now in most parts of the world. The results of this policy have been culminated in noumerous disasters from the death of unsuspected individuals to full-scale civil wars over drug-trade control. So looking for a new approach to this non-sense is not about "wanting to get high" but about demanding a more effective management of the problem so that users and non-users can be better protected.
As far as "our scene" is concerned the choice is simple: Either retreating to our conservative values and moan like old farts that "drugs are bad" (and later on in life see our kids and/or their friends getting fucked up because of drugs) OR use any experience we have gained to press and argue for a more coherent and honest policy.
Cheers.
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Posted : May 5, 2005 12:25
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i agree with griniaris up to one point.
see all ppl that take hardcore drugs smoke pot.
but all ppl that smoke pot DO NOT take hardcore drugs...and this is a fact.
legalizing drugs is out of the question, i fully disagree...even holland's experiment didn't work...do you know that they are cutting back the licenses of over half the coffee shops now? cause after 20 yrs of legal use, they ended up with a country addicted to pot, and drugtourism...the same thing happened in switzerland as well, cannabis was legal for sometime but no more...countries and goverments around the world have tried legalize it, decriminilize it, criminilize it and so on...but no real solution has ever come up...surely legalizing it is not the way to go about this issue...and of course police should finally start doing some real work...i mean busting a poor kid that smokes a joint and letting the real dealers get away, sucks big time no doubt... and i dont think that the busted kid will actually stop smoking, on the contrary he will be more carefull next time not to get busted...and the police (not all hopefully) will continue to protect the dealers cause they get money from them...
the solution to the drug problem must come through education. through adequate information given to young ppl in school, from doctors, x-users, volunteers etc... but this i think is even more difficult...i mean in school they dont even have sex education, they dont speak about aids as much as they should, about precautions nothing nada zilts... its a taboo subject just like drugs...this is the main problem!
...::: If video games had influenced us, then the Pacman generation would be running around in dark rooms, eating pills and listening to repetitive music :::... |
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atlanticark
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Posted : May 5, 2005 13:33
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Well the case with Holland and Switzerland is not that their policy failed. However, it's difficult to have just two countries with a liberal drug policy while the rest of the world continues with its zero tolerance non-sense, because those countries with the liberal policy will just be exploited as system loopholes. Also, remember that Holland is an EU country and thus under constant political pressure to bring its drug-laws in line with its European counterparts.
My personal experience from living and stydying for a while in Utrecht (Holland) is quite different to what you describe. Yes, Amsterdam has invested in narcotourism, yet the rest of Holland does not work like that. Most of the Dutch people see pot as something they may do in their early teens but they quickly grow out of it. A bit like alcohol. Teenagers get drunk but only a tiny portion of them ends up being alcoholic.
Finally, it may be useful to have a look at Holland's position vis-a-vis the world. We are talking about one of the most creative, liberal, democratic and prosperous societies in the world. It doesn't sound like a country addicted to pot!!! |
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Dot Kite
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Posted : May 5, 2005 14:21
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On 2005-05-05 13:33, atlanticark wrote:
My personal experience from living and stydying for a while in Utrecht (Holland) is quite different to what you describe. Yes, Amsterdam has invested in narcotourism, yet the rest of Holland does not work like that. Most of the Dutch people see pot as something they may do in their early teens but they quickly grow out of it. A bit like alcohol. Teenagers get drunk but only a tiny portion of them ends up being alcoholic.
Finally, it may be useful to have a look at Holland's position vis-a-vis the world. We are talking about one of the most creative, liberal, democratic and prosperous societies in the world. It doesn't sound like a country addicted to pot!!!
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I agree on that! From my personal experience living in The Netherlands I ve noticed that the majority of the Dutch population does not use any kind of drugs (sometimes they over react with the beer...but nothing more)!
The dutch individuals are highly educated compared with the southern europian standards and they don't see drugs as a helping substance against the daily problems!
I have the feeling that in your country (don't take it offensively) there is a lack of education regarding this issue.
That's all for now...
best regards
Tms
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mahabarata
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Posted : May 5, 2005 14:37
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so since we are quite a few sharing our experience 'living in the Netherlands', I would say that the Dutch people are really liberal and all what atlanticark said NOT because of drugs but because of their mentality.Legalising pot by having coffe shops was firsta way to explode their tourism....First they said about helping drug addicted come out of heroin...by using another drug!!This cannot exist....
All of us who have been in the Netherlands we had at least the experience of a guy coming after us, saying all the list of the 'things' he could sell us..
Anyway, I think that Greek community is not ready yet to accept any kind of descriminalisation, but if someone wants to smoke some grass at least he could have the opportunity to have for his personal 'needs'. But few people stay to their personal needs...we have the ability to 'share things' with others  .. |
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