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Dot Kite
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Posted : May 5, 2005 14:45
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On 2005-05-05 14:37, mahabarata wrote:
All of us who have been in the Netherlands we had at least the experience of a guy coming after us, saying all the list of the 'things' he could sell us..
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Remember that The Netherlands is not equal with Amsterdam ! (and there is always a big difference if you go to The Netherlands as a tourist or if you actually live there)
You can have the experience of a guy coming after you, only in certain areas of Amsterdam!
And remember that canabis in The Netherlands is legal to sell (as official/registed seller/retailer), but is not legal if you carry with you more than a tot. of gramms....
Most of the people think that in The Netherlands you can walk around with chilos of "stuff" without any kinf of consequence....this is just an illusion!
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mahabarata
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Posted : May 5, 2005 14:49
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You can have the experience of a guy coming after you, only in certain areas of Amsterdam!
And remember that canabis in The Netherlands is legal to sell (as official/registed seller/retailer), but is not legal if you carry with you more than a tot. of gramms....
Most of the people think that in The Netherlands you can walk around with chilos of "stuff" without any kinf of consequence....this is just an illusion!
Best regards
Tms
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Mostly it happens in Amsterdam but also in other places...Of course there are consequences but since they are 'untighting the hands of any user the line is much more thinner to pass it'.... |
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atlanticark
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Posted : May 5, 2005 14:58
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mahabarata i never said that the Dutch people are liberal BECAUSE of their drug-policies. I said that they are, in general, a progressive and prosperous society DESPITE their liberal drug laws. Besides you will find drug addicts trying to sell drugs on the streets in every other major European city. For me the simple truth remains that drugs being illegal never prevented anyone from trying them.
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Dot Kite
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Posted : May 5, 2005 15:01
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On 2005-05-05 14:58, atlanticark wrote:
mahabarata i never said that the Dutch people are liberal BECAUSE of their drug-policies. I said that they are, in general, a progressive and prosperous society DESPITE their liberal drug laws. Besides you will find drug addicts trying to sell drugs on the streets in every other major European city.
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Once more, I agree with you....
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mahabarata
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Posted : May 5, 2005 15:05
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I agree with u also Don Kite and atlanticark,but......
'untighting the hands of any user the line is much more thinner to pass it'.... and I do not suggest to slave them...
Have a lovely day....
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Posted : May 5, 2005 15:26
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yes, i do agree with most of you here, and yes i also spent one semester in amsterdam as an exchange student back in 1998, and yes, the dutch are open minded due to their mentality and not their drug use, and yes holland or rather amsterdam did become the "loophole" (is that a good thing though?), and no ppl do not walk around with chillums and bongs...but i really do think that finally, their experiment failed...maintaining and perserving the balance is very difficult...and maybe holland is a country that is prosperous and economically steady nation and so on and so forth...but this also has nothing to do with their legal drug use, (perhaps i shouldn't have said holland in general, since what i meant was amsterdam) but amsterdam is a bit fucked up, maybe its bcz of the narcotourism, i dont know, but i do know that many ppl living there are really fed up with the situation, and these same ppl are very liberal and open minded, but they are oppossed 100% to the legalize everything mentality...and this makes me have second thoughts about legalization. i do agree however that decriminalization is neccessary and imperative...ppl who are addicted to drugs should not be treated like scum, or criminals bcz these ppl are ill. They are sick ppl who need help, and not a good beating by the police...and ofcourse i do not believe that the cure for their illness is legalizing drugs.
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Dot Kite
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Posted : May 5, 2005 15:44
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On 2005-05-05 15:26, :: :: :: wrote:
ppl who are addicted to drugs should not be treated like scum, or criminals bcz these ppl are ill. They are sick ppl who need help, and not a good beating by the police...and ofcourse i do not believe that the cure for their illness is legalizing drugs.
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This is a remarkable point!
everybody should think about this twice...
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dinotel
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Posted : May 5, 2005 16:35
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The drug issue is a complicated one.
The system itself doesnt want it solved.
Everyone gets what they want,if drugs are illegal.
The only ones who pay are the addicts. |
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MATUTERO - DJ ZIK
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Posted : May 5, 2005 17:06
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come on guys you speaking about cannabis???
why you dont speak about the more strong drugs is already legal and evrybody can take i mean alcohol & tobacco ...........
i have a question for you guys...
how many people die from cannabis & how many from alcohol?
boom&peace
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@lici@
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Posted : May 5, 2005 17:33
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No one said we should legalize all drugs.Psy-mystic just shared an information with all of us.each of us can decide whether they want to go or not.Don't be so stenomyaloi |
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Psy_mystic
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Posted : May 5, 2005 17:54
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Its nice to see all these points of view.
To my opinion laws concerning cannabis should b more elastic to the point that you will be able to have a plant at home and smoke care free ,I dont see anything bad about that..if you do, plz let me know
peace
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DETOX
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Posted : May 5, 2005 19:17
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LNE78poi your opinion is much respected but i dont think that Bill Hicks is such an important person or authority in order to quote him,thats just me ofcourse.
ATLANTICARK sorry but decriminalising drugs and prescripting heroin to addicts sounds like a real bad idea to me,i mean instead of trying to 'clean' the people from heroin we will prescribe it to them?Prescribe what?Death?
You are right to say that people many times use drugs because they are illegal but on the other side also many people DONT USE drugs simply because they are illegal and are afraid to possess them.It works vise versa you see 
You also ask why such a big 'industry' is left to the hands of the mafia.Well i wouldnt like the idea of a government to make money out of illegal and bad actions,cause selling drugs is indeed a bad action me thinks.And after all the mafia deals with many things like the prostitution of women,illegal gambling,blackmailing and many more.Prostitution also brings a lot of money so the government should also help it in order to take it out of the hands of the mafia?Or should also the government blackmail people to pay protection to it in order to keep their business 'secure and out of trouble' just to weaken the mafia?Sorry but comparing the mafia with the government sounds no good to me.
:: :: :: I tottally aggree with your ideas and suggestions,finally a mature point of view.Education is everything like you said and the myth of Holland and especially Amsterdam is over since the protest of the local mayor and the majority of people who live there who got bored of watching in the streets and seeing young people high on drugs.In the next years the myth of Amsterdam will fall and crash.By the way i got to inform you about one thing,people that take hardcore drugs not always smoke pot,i mean cocaine users rarely smoke pot for various reasons.
ATLANTICARK Holland is not just a country addicted to pot but a country addicted to many kind of drugs,i mean the majority of young people there are into drugs and this is no good for sure for any country in the world,the people started protesting and they got some really strong valid points in doing that.I have never been there and have no personal experience but from what i read in the news and things that i hear from my friends living in Rotterdam and Amsterdam the situation is out of control with all drugs and not just pot.
MATUTERO nobody also died from drinking one glass of wine per day or smoking 3 ciggaretes per day.People that have problems with tobacco and alcohol are people who are addicted to it and consume more than they should.I mean if you also smoke 10 joints a day then you will have a serious health problem just like you will have a serious problem when you drink 5 glasses of wine per day or smoke 2 packages of ciggaretes per day.Like our ancestors used to say PAN METRON ARISTON.I mean if you also drink ten cans of coca cola every day you will also die from problems with your stomach does that mean we will also have to ban coca cola?
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LNE78poi
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Posted : May 5, 2005 20:18
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DETOX, u may think that Hicks is one more weirdo like me, it's ok though... and some ppl do think that he's a great philosopher apart of comedian, including me.
U like it or not, drugs have been a major influence to all kinds of music. Fact. If u don't believe it, time to burn all your cds, cos the artists seem to disagree with u.
The problem here is not about laws protecting us, is about restricting our freedom. Keep you in fear about your own choices, about the guy living next door is what divides people, brings hatred between us and makes it easier for the governments to control us. When you believe that the neighbour is a threat to u, just because of a pot habit, then the "fear-control" game is a success for any totalitarian government. Keep us afraid, keeps us in the herd.
Gkriniaris allow me to tell u I'm a proffessional of health and I know what kills me or not. After 11 years of use, I've done my little research. You haven't, unless you are a doctor or a biologist, which I doubt, otherwise your would be better informed. Fucked up is the one that nags with no clue of what he's talking about. Not me. Get yourself some medical journals and then nag as much as you like... if u can after that.
Alcohol and cigarettes kill ten times more people every year than all drugs together. But since they are taxed, it's ok... Plus alcohol makes you docile, so keep on drinking beer and stay stupid if you like. Governments like that too.
Let's all party with government approved music and ideas... Great fun!
Junkies have the bad habit to blame anything they can for their misery, apart of themselves. Their parents, pot, society, me, u, anyone. U know that. And unfortunately, they are the only ones we ever see on tv talking about drugs. That is because anyone else has many things to lose if they go public and defend themselves for smoking pot. A junky has already lost everything. I have a life, a job, a family. Don't want to ruin it. So u never hear any rational voices talkin about drugs, only the miserable ones. There are lots of people out there with normal lives that would like to talk, and law restricts them. And this is not fair.
Doctors admit that any drug cases they tend to meet and record, are the most extreme ones. U see, not all drugs users end up in the hospital on Saturday nights. By definition they have only extreme users for subjects to study, and their research is therefore limited.
I'm not saying drugs are a good thing, but it is a choice. Same as cliff climbing. Some people think it's stupid and dangerous, others that it's great fun. What shall we do now? Ban extreme sports?
The problem here is choice. That's what it is all about. Allow me to live my life and even kill myself any way I want. It's my life afterall. If u don't like drugs... then don't use them.
I'm glad mushrooms are illegal.Once I took,you know what happened?I laid in a field of green grass for 4 hours, going, 'My God, I love everything.' This is a hazard to our country, how are we going to sell weapons if we realize we are all one?" Bill Hicks |
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acidonacid
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Posted : May 5, 2005 20:43
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On 2005-05-05 20:18, LNE78poi wrote:
....If u don't like drugs... then don't use them.
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Thats all gyus..
and back to the topic again.
as I see we have a lot of different opinions here.
So the ppl who agree with the legalize must go there and the others must stay home or go for a cofee.
so simple..
peace brothers.
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Posted : May 5, 2005 21:19
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partially i must say that i agree with LNE78poi, but i have one question, what happens with the majority of ppl ? (definition of majority ppl: ppl who listen to whatever tv tells them, ppl who believe evry political speach, ppl who in god they trust, ppl who in goverments and political decision they trust...blindfully) do they just use drugs without limits cause the goverment and a political decision or legislation or law says its ok? and what happens to them after their small mind and mentalities get addicted, and can not control themselves, and can not get the best out of drugs (as we supposetly did - i mean even our "big and open" minds got addicted at some point) what happens then, who will take the blame, and how will humanity overcome this situation?
i think it's time to be realistic and see and realize that not all ppl had or have the brain capacity that some of us did with drugs and life ....this is selfish and above all not realistic...
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