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willsanquil
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Posted : Mar 9, 2011 23:31:07
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Hi folks. Tried to use search function, failed. Forgive me if a similar thread is already up.
So, there exists software out there that helps you figure out how to treat your room. The general method seems to be that you have a microphone, you record what's coming out of your speakers and then it parses that information into a bunch of graphs and whatnot so you can see the frequency response of your room and adjust accordingly.
First of all, some links to useful stuff:
http://www.gearslutz.com/board/studio-building-acoustics/469574-basic-acoustic-measurement-primer-v2-1-a.html - a great primer from gearslutz on the various methods and software
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_room_correction - good wiki article with links to various pieces of hardware software
Does anyone have much experience with room correction software/hardware? If so, which do you prefer and why?
The KRK Ergo (as posted by someone else on this forum today) seems to be pretty awesome in that it comes with a mic, a 4x4 audio interface, support for A/B switching between two sets of monitors, etc.
However, it seems that there are a bunch of good Freeware options as well for software.
Thoughts?
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PoM
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Posted : Mar 10, 2011 00:19
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i would go with a berhinger ecm 8000 and freeware... sometimes berhinger make great stuff for the price , this mic is one of them, it would be the less expensive solution but maybe not the best or easiest one.
but it s not really fixing room acoustic,but i guess it might help a bit .
i would mix with the bypassed eq and turn it on sometimes just to hear how it sound... but have no experience with thess software , just know it s not replacement for treating a room and that the ecm 8000 is ok. |
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willsanquil
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Posted : Mar 10, 2011 00:28
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it is definitely NOT a replacement for acoustic treatment. However, from what I've been reading acoustic treatment + adjustment from Room Correction leads to mixes that translate better from one system to another as opposed to just acoustic treatment alone.
Just trying to make the most out of my stupid square room :\
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PoM
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Posted : Mar 10, 2011 00:59
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yep curious about how good it can work.
berhinger mic cost 50$ it might worth a try . |
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willsanquil
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Posted : Mar 10, 2011 01:38
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Yeah that's a pretty paltry investment. I was actually thinking of borrowing a friend's nice condenser mic to do tests and measurements with.
Argh, just when I think I'm on the cusp of not needing to delve into a ton of tech stuff that is way over my head I find something like this 
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Posted : Mar 10, 2011 01:48
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haha man  ,plz report if you make some test |
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Posted : Mar 10, 2011 18:28
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Posted : Mar 10, 2011 20:25
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PoM
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Posted : Mar 10, 2011 22:09
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for room treatment you can do some basic stuff wihtout much hassle,i say that cause it may scare some to do it on their own ,but one could buy some rockwhool pannel (after some research on wich one to buy ), cut them ,put them on top of each other (check super chunk corner) , put some fabric on top ,done ...
but it may look ugly and a lot of panels is needed but at least you can go to a store and 3 hours later you have some bass traps in your room . |
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willsanquil
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Posted : Mar 10, 2011 22:29
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Well I have 2 bass traps and 14 acoustic panels - got some psy producers entire studios worth of panels as he was moving out of the country. I'm sure some more bass traps and a couple of ceiling panels would make a bit of a difference, but I'm probably nearing the point of diminishing returns.
The thing that I'm somewhat worried about is the fact that my room is square, and thus if I am understanding the problems with square rooms properly no matter how nicely I treat it, its still square and will suffer from problems.
I was hoping that this room correction software + EQing would make at least a bit of a dent in this issue. Going to test out some software this week with a friend's condenser, will report on results when I have them.
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Posted : Mar 10, 2011 22:40
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you scare me cause i m moving soon in a new room ,its not a square one but it s close .
i have no idea about the price but in the end i think going with a acoustician professional to do it right is the best solution , for a small room if it cost like 2000 euro with a pro for perfect treatment it worht it for sure but i guess it s even more expensive. |
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Posted : Mar 10, 2011 22:57
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well, yeah - but the super expensive option is definitely not an option for me. 2000 Euros is a LOT of money. That's more than all the gear in my studio!
My monitors were like 450 used, panels were like 500 used, audio interaface 150, midi controllers and keyboards 350....
There will always be the super expensive option, but for me and I assume for a lot of other hobbyists those options are decidedly out of reach and so we need to make the best out of what we have.
I wouldn't worry too much about moving into a new room. Sure, square is not ideal - very few of us are monitoring in a perfect environment - but I'm actually pretty happy with the sound of my latest mix and I'm still very early on in learning how my room sounds.
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Posted : Mar 10, 2011 23:42
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yes i guess none of us are monitoring in a good environement (i really enjoy when i mix in my garden), i have no idea about the price with professional ,gonna check. when you see a virus ti cost more than 2000 euro ,getting a room treated by a pro for this price would be a better investment but it s probably a lot more expensive |
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Posted : Mar 11, 2011 04:38
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it sounds like you have plenty of accoustic treatment, however two more bass traps to fill each upper corner would be great. Another important tip I think is not to have your monitor volume up very loud when you are producing and tweaking. More volume seems to dump more clashing of frequencies in a given space.
Positioning of the monitors is crucial as well. Typically you'd want to have them setup as an equilateral triangle from each monitor face to your head on the same plane. Usually about 60 inches for each tangent with a 60 degree angle for each of course. Next you need to figure out how close you can have your monitors to the "back wall", which will need to have some acoustic treatment between the monitors to dampen the higher frequencies and give you a clean stereo effect. Also I would try to avoid eq'ing software since I feel like this would give you a different product outside your studio when played back on a non-studio system, in terms of frequency response.
What kind of monitors are you using ?
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willsanquil
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Posted : Mar 11, 2011 05:20
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I'm using Tapco S8s
My room is 14x14'
In terms of treatment I have the Auralax mopads to float the speakers I have off the desk that they would otherwise be sitting on - I assume those are just as good as speaker stands? Because I don't have any of those :\
As for panels, I have these:
http://www.atsacoustics.com/item--ATS-Acoustic-Panel-24x48x4--1008.html
11x - 4" thick panels, 2' x 4' ATS Acoustics Panels 2"
4x - 2" thick panels, 2' x 4' ATS Acoustics Panels 2"
and 2 bass traps:
http://www.gikacoustics.com/gik_tri_trap.html
I have the bass traps set up in the corners with the thickest panels standing upright on top of the bass traps - theres around 5 inches of space between the ceiling and the panels edge. I know people like to have traps all the way to the top - I should get another 2 bass traps and move the thicker panels somewhere else yes?
In between the bass traps there is enough space for two panels to fit side by side horizontally - that entire wall is pretty much all paneling.
On the walls on the sides of the listening position I have one panel vertically right next to the bass trap, and then two panels next to that one horizontally with space gaps of a couple inches - these panels are in the middle of the wall.
I also have one other panel directly in the back of the room, and I prop my mattress up underneath that for whatever that might do?
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