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Shaqattack
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Posted : May 25, 2006 08:04
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*Karma Cola*
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Posted : May 25, 2006 08:13
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Its another reason to buy the album if you dont have the earlier compilation. But thats still no excuse for this blatant franchising of the same 'hit'.
Most of this happens with bigger more established artists i have noticed and although its not very very common, its seems like its becoming a trend.
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Shaqattack
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Posted : May 25, 2006 08:18
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On 2006-05-25 08:13, *Karma Cola* wrote:
its seems like its becoming a trend.
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thats quite alarming...
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Fingax
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Posted : May 25, 2006 10:34
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i dont se anything wrong with it..
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Posted : May 25, 2006 11:56
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On 2006-05-25 10:34, Fingax wrote:
i dont se anything wrong with it..
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As a person who closely follows certain artists and their music.. in a way its condescendin to constantly sell the same track over and over again.. Luckiliy it only has happened with artists im not a great fan off.. but i cant help but feel for the peopel who do follow these artists. It makes u feel cheated in a way.
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Shaqattack
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Posted : May 25, 2006 12:36
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oranges view is that u release a sample of your new work on a compilation and use it to attract people onto purchasing ur album....
as a marketing majors student i can safely say yes in theory that sounds like a fool proof plan...
but when it comes to a genre like pop/rock (basically the more commercially accepted genres) etc it works wonders as i always used to see on posters of upcoming albums "includes so and so track - which is the highlight of the album and the music video is playin all over the tv" and used to wonder...this is stupidity...people are going to buy the album coz they know that the particular track track is in it...
and later on compilations used to come out..usually a 2 cd affair with the best picks of various albums and artists which obviously contained nothing new only previously released tracks...this is fine as this is a mixture of good tracks already released...so it helps the listener to wait and pick up the compilation instead of picking up heaps of albums which contain 10 lousy tracks and just 1 track that they r looking for..
whereas in this genre...the concept is completely different here i feel the compilations comprise atleast 60% ...if not more of the releases....and its a known fact that cd sales in pys trance are already low....by repeating tracks i dont think the labels/artists are doing a major thing to induce people into picking up origianl cds..the authenticity/originality is lost anyways... |
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Jikkenteki
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Posted : May 25, 2006 12:46
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In many cases the album will come first and then later another label will contact the album's label to license the track for their comp. As the original label or artist, there is very little reason for you not to accept as basically you are getting some well needed (especially with sales now-a-days) funds with no work or production costs on your part.
This isn't anything new in the scene, its been happening since the beginning. Look at how many of Hallucinogen's tracks on Twisted showed up on various compilations and eps well before the album ever came out. Just dig around on Discogs for awhile.
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Shaqattack
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Posted : May 25, 2006 12:55
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On 2006-05-25 12:46, Jikkenteki wrote:
In many cases the album will come first and then later another label will contact the album's label to license the track for their comp. As the original label or artist, there is very little reason for you not to accept as basically you are getting some well needed (especially with sales now-a-days) funds with no work or production costs on your part.
This isn't anything new in the scene, its been happening since the beginning. Look at how many of Hallucinogen's tracks on Twisted showed up on various compilations and eps well before the album ever came out. Just dig around on Discogs for awhile.
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yup thats the basic idea i feel that compilations came into existance..to pick up the best tracks being released and compile it onto one cd...
but the bizzare situation now a days is that the compilation comes out first ...and the artists album comes later on with the same track....
and what i find most amusing is that the artist definitley has loads of other tracks up his sleeve which may/maynot be as good but why not give the listener soemthing new it might turn out to be better than expected...
and if you say because the tracks he has arent good enough he just puts in a popular track which is already released...??
there are soo many ways to innovate...ask some other artist to remix your unreleased track and put it into the album ....soo many other ways....
sometimes artists remix their own released tracks and put it on the album in my view that is much better than repeating tracks!
imho 
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Jikkenteki
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Posted : May 25, 2006 13:53
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On 2006-05-25 12:55, Shaqattack wrote:
but the bizzare situation now a days is that the compilation comes out first ...and the artists album comes later on with the same track....
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Again, what is so unusual about this? Just about every major artist in every genre of music releases a single with a track or two from their upcoming album before the album actually comes out? Since psy generally doesn't sell well enough to warrant making singles, I've always viewed the appear on a comp as basically the same thing.
Other genre's of music do the same thing too, so its not like you can claim this is a psy-only cashing in thing. I have undergound metal compilations from 15 years ago that did the same thing. I think you have to keep in mind there are basically two kinds of comps in the music industry. One is the "upcoming sampler" type which serves kind of the purpose of a single, but with many artists pooled together to gain more cross exposure. The other is the "greatest hits" style, which you are refering to, for people who are new to a style of music, or are only after some popular tracks and don't care about the artists other work per se. Both have a fairly long history and serve different functions.
That said, I do agree it'd be nicer if artist would remix tracks, improve upon them, or whatever, instead of rehashing them over and over but I do understand the business point of view of doing it. I also think there are situations where rereleasing a track somewhere else on a comp is still completely acceptable. For example, we did it on the first par-2 comp with a track that was released as a bonus track on an artists album, but that album is in a non-trance genre so the chances that the average psy-fan was even aware of the track was much lower, not to mention that group's album is not readily available in music stores/on-line shops, etc...
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duyoush
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Posted : May 25, 2006 14:48
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why not?!?!
there are alot of labels that live from this..take example YSE...they rls mostly things that got rls..and instede of buy the all artists cd and enjy only from 1-2 tracks.. YSE puts u the best tracks from albums/va and delivere u all the nicest tracks from each artists.. its the best deal imo..
and.. artists gets more money..and thats the importent thing..couse maybe this way they will make more tracks
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Shaqattack
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Posted : May 25, 2006 16:56
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On 2006-05-25 12:55, Shaqattack wrote:
but the bizzare situation now a days is that the compilation comes out first ...and the artists album comes later on with the same track....
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I think you have to keep in mind there are basically two kinds of comps in the music industry. One is the "upcoming sampler" type which serves kind of the purpose of a single, but with many artists pooled together to gain more cross exposure. The other is the "greatest hits" style, which you are refering to, for people who are new to a style of music, or are only after some popular tracks and don't care about the artists other work per se. Both have a fairly long history and serve different functions.
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the VA compilations that come out in this genre are neither of the 2 that u mentioned...atleast they r not directly marketed as the way u have mentioned it....
true thats the entire intention of compilation...
@duyoush....YSE is another point..they r more like the compliation that Jikkenteki mentioned..the best of compilation..and trust me i am totally fine by that...even tho they come out with tonnes of cds at once..thats completely fine as the intention is very clear...
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Jikkenteki
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Posted : May 25, 2006 20:05
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They may not be marketed as such, but they still fall more or less into one of those two catagories. Really most comps are just "singles" from several artists pooled together on one release. While they are possibly dressed up to look different, that's generally what most of them are.
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Posted : May 26, 2006 00:25
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This is really terrible, I got many copies of many tracks in some compilations also...
Just check most YSE releases, I don´t think it´s different, their compilations have mostly released stuff... If you are fine with them, why complain about the other labels?
I think all releases should come out with at least 72 minutes of previously unreleased music.
I'd like to add that bigger labels do that much more than small labels. Why? Because this is done for the money.
See, relatively new professional labels, like PsyTropic Records, Exposure Productions and High-End Records release always 10 previously unreleased tracks.
Now more stabilished labels like Hom-Mega, Phantasm and Utopia records keep releasing tracks from their artists albums on compilations (usually before the album).
Man, look at the Cosma tracks... Hom-Mega managed to release most of them many times... I have the Cosma - Nonstop album, but I also have most of the tracks there in many compilations...
It's about money, only "big hit" tracks are released twice...
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Posted : May 26, 2006 03:16
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Here's another perspective. It's common knowledge now that, no matter what their contracts might say, it is increasingly uncommon for artists to get paid anything more than the basic advance for the tracks they release. No royalties. Why this should be you must ask the labels. For projects who don't play live, or who aren't fortunate enough to get on the international circuit, getting tracks released more than once is often the only way of getting anything reasonable back for the days or weeks spent writing them.
The constant demand for unreleased music is therefore (IMO) one of the factors driving down the quality of released music in the scene - if you're only going to get paid 200 euros for a track it removes some of the impetus to put more than 200 euros worth of time into it.
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