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Relative Importance

alien-ated


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Posted : Dec 15, 2003 13:42
I see a many threads on mp3 and piracy etc.

I wud like to share my thought to this issue and also wud like to know your views on it.

I see this problem as a matter of Relative Importance.

For eg. there are 2 guys Mr.X and Mr.Y
Now
X is an artist who makes quality music and puts in his best efforts and releases his music but dosent get the returns (which is money) as much as he should; coz the problem being mp3 trade.
Y is a employee in with a sales profile who travels extensively and works very hard to make his living. but in his free time he loves to listen to trance music. he has several other things which he considers more important than buyin his music; like supporting his family, improving his standard of living etc. so for his music listening hobby, he downloads mp3's and is not much bothered about the quality unless it is coming for free. he enjoy's his passtime.

now both person's view wil be different on the same subject as for X this is the life and most important subject and he is opposing mp3's for his interest - that is earn more money to spend quality life.
for Y this is not of much importance in life so he will be for mp3's the reason being - save more money to spend quality life.

so most of you people on this forum are right - for and against mp3's

i just view this problem as an never ending debate coz its just the matter of relative importance.

PLUR

p.s. - by my post please do not misunderstand that i am supporting piracy, this is just my view to the problem           ~~~ Save the Humans ~~~
theivo
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Posted : Dec 15, 2003 14:11
yes , alien-ated is damn right !!!
ok ppl - im livin in country where the average salary is 80-100 euros . And the other problem is - theres no trance label with distribution. So what can ppl from this country to do ? I know what alien-ated talkin about.
... i dont want to make there a battle with mp3 lovers and haters . just think about ppl!!! just think...           :: PsyTech Team :: Bulgaria - Psychedelic Trance organization and Party Promoters
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jabba


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Posted : Dec 15, 2003 14:13
see my post on BAN MP3 page 6
Hg
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Posted : Dec 15, 2003 15:09
what about "z" who is the 'entity' that owns the rights to the samples took by the artists

your definition of 'y' is waaay too restrict, in life there is a greater number of different people with different aspects -- we cant generalize/cut down

I see it as a multivariable and complex equality that involves the flowing of money and individual/ethical/moral issues. I dont see it as an equation with a mathematical solution, BUT, as an equality where both sides must be equivalent. Overall I understand that this equality is pretty much balanced! (in a positive way)           cna't find it
full_on
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Posted : Dec 15, 2003 15:16
Quote:

On 2003-12-15 14:13, jabba wrote:
see my post on BAN MP3 page 6




Another mp3 thread, but this goes on the funny way...
shrOM, after understanding your signature and read your post everything became clear: you're another crazy mathematician!!!
Respect!
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Posted : Dec 15, 2003 15:26
indeed funny

New way to freeze your pc: search for 'mp3' under isratrance! 48 pages of options

holy cow ...we need to get a life instead of talking about 3-digit digital expressions... pathetic!           cna't find it
alien-ated


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Posted : Dec 15, 2003 15:36
shrom
I understand that there are many other variables here in this issue
but this eg is just to reflect my main point of Relative Importance
Ther may be people in the category who are in middle who download a few and their favourites they do buy too. 'n' number of such categories are possible.
But again please try to see my point what i have tried to make and not just characters of the example.
nobody_3
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Posted : Dec 15, 2003 15:39
I live in a country where the average price of a car is 300% more expensive than in most other countries around the world.
I live in a country where income tax is the 2nd highest in the world.
I live in a country where food and other daily grosseries are 5% more expensive than any other country in Europe.

So what should I do?

Steal the car because I think it's too expensive?

Refuse to pay tax and keep my money for myself but still use all the comfortable "free" services paid by tax?

Go to the supermarket wearing a big coat so I can hide all the food I steal - just because I think teh price is too high?

I can understand that people dont have too much money but I don't have a lot of money too. You don't see me arguing that I want things for free just because I cant afford it. What do I do? I save my money until I can afford what I want!!!

You should try the same... It's a nice feeling



The Green Channel
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Posted : Dec 15, 2003 16:09
Quote:

On 2003-12-15 15:39, Elysium Project wrote:
I live in a country where the average price of a car is 300% more expensive than in most other countries around the world.
I live in a country where income tax is the 2nd highest in the world.
I live in a country where food and other daily grosseries are 5% more expensive than any other country in Europe.

So what should I do?

Steal the car because I think it's too expensive?

Refuse to pay tax and keep my money for myself but still use all the comfortable "free" services paid by tax?

Go to the supermarket wearing a big coat so I can hide all the food I steal - just because I think teh price is too high?

I can understand that people dont have too much money but I don't have a lot of money too. You don't see me arguing that I want things for free just because I cant afford it. What do I do? I save my money until I can afford what I want!!!

You should try the same... It's a nice feeling









Off topic:
Actually EP you should vote for parties on the right side, instead of parties on the left side... Then maybe someday we won’t have to pay 200% more for a car then in several other Countries in Europe. If you take in to a count our extreme level of taxes on things like cars etc. we are still the number one taxed country in the world.



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alien-ated


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Posted : Dec 15, 2003 16:18
Quote:
I live in a country where the average price of a car is 300% more expensive than in most other countries around the world.
I live in a country where income tax is the 2nd highest in the world.
I live in a country where food and other daily grosseries are 5% more expensive than any other country in Europe.



can you compare the per capita income too
can you compare the standard of living of your country and any other under developed country? please do that.

owning a car is a basic necessity for you. but in some countries people save for years to buy one.
so ask those people to save for some more additional years and after they can buy all the things (that are basic necessity for you) in their life span then, they can log on the psyshop and buy a few albums and listen to in their old age.

EP it is not your fault. But, you will never digest this point when you staying in that country and can never imagine howmuch ever hard you try.

PLUR
alien-ated


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Posted : Dec 15, 2003 19:10
and apart from rich country and poor country difference problem
this factor is valid in one country situation too
the degree of importance will differ individual to individual
juggler
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Posted : Dec 16, 2003 17:29
I think we have to go on the two ways: in my situation, I use mp3 to listen to the music, to know if I like it or not...if I like it, I buy the original...if I don´t like, I stay just with the mp3
traveller
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Posted : Dec 16, 2003 18:27
Quote:

On 2003-12-15 15:39, Elysium Project wrote:

I live in a country where food and other daily grosseries are 5% more expensive than any other country in Europe.





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nobody_3
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Posted : Dec 16, 2003 18:32
I am not.
jabba


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Posted : Dec 17, 2003 09:57
Quote:

On 2003-12-15 15:16, full_on wrote:
Quote:

On 2003-12-15 14:13, jabba wrote:
see my post on BAN MP3 page 6




Another mp3 thread, but this goes on the funny way...
shrOM, after understanding your signature and read your post everything became clear: you're another crazy mathematician!!!
Respect!




Brother Shrom wrote>>>>

indeed funny

New way to freeze your pc: search for 'mp3' under isratrance! 48 pages of options

holy cow ...we need to get a life instead of talking about 3-digit digital expressions... pathetic! ---worker bees can leave---
-------even drones can fly away--
--------------the queen is their slave-
-=*e^(i.pi)= -1 -=-=-=- x^2-x-1=0*=-
Let me drive you on a trip

BUT ATLEAST MY LAZY BROS U CUD HAVE ATLEAST GONE AND SEEN IT IT WASNT FOR OR AGAINST WAR ON MP3 IN A WAY WAS OF RELATIVE IMPORTANCE >>>>> HERE THERES A COPY FOR YOU BROS who cant turn digtal pages for ref. >>>>

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one thing just for the discussion i would like to know your views (anyone or everyone )

whats wrong if the mp3 mzk is priced on the net individually >>>>>>>>>> coz this is going to happen ................

what is the guarantee if someone buys a genuine cd and does not make any copies to give to afriend or friends? ................

how will you stop peer to peer when on a micro level user A in one country goes to his friend B's site in another and download his mzk and call it sharing >>>>> who will monitor >>> human tendency

better option leagalize everything and avoid problems like labels(foul labels) not paying etc. coz on the net it can be easily monitored >>>> any transaction made to a song or track splits in two accounts and voila artist gets paid and the label earns .

Now if you look at the tech options than why not it be an encoded format to be downloaded and converted by an unique software whose license gets renewed every time you buy certain nos of tracks so this has less chance of being pirated coz everytime it expires the provider changes the security patch(or whatever its called) ...................

all i wanna say that why waste time to win over something which is going to become all pervasive, rather i think we shld mould it to everyone's advantage .............


P.S. these are just random thaughts but i am not "against" or "for" MP3 >>>>>>>>>>> FOR"MZK" FOR SURE
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