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Dovla
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Posted : Dec 17, 2003 18:39
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I recently watched a south park episode where kenny, kyle and stan got arrested for downloading mp3s, I laughed my ass off 
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manu
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Posted : Dec 17, 2003 20:11
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I dont agree with the line - "Piracy kills the music"
Infact it spreads the music.. music which is worth spreading.. May be it probably kills the record company.
We dont grab the music to break it and throw it , we try to get it coz we love it.
I wonder , does any artist hate me if i love their track and get it illegally ?
Infact i think some quality trance music that is produced every year should be distributed freely in every house. Sometimes when i fall in love with any track , i cant wait to make my friends listen to it and then its also exciting to compare every ones fav sound.. fav tune in many tracks. Specially with friends.
Agreed , that scene is getting commercial so piracy has to be stopped. I understand when it comes to commerialism .. no brotherhood.. no love.. Wonly money 
Why cant any artist sell their track in some lumsum amount and then record company officially declare mp3 release after recovering certain amount they expect ? lol is it possible ? after all mp3 is also digital format part of digial culture , isnt it ?
Boom !
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jabba
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Posted : Dec 18, 2003 07:23
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he he he right on manu
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Why cant any artist sell their track in some lumsum amount and then record company officially declare mp3 release after recovering certain amount they expect ? lol is it possible ? after all mp3 is also digital format part of digial culture , isnt it ?
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thats the face of real things to come in the future
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Vicky
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Posted : Dec 18, 2003 12:12
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oh one more mp3 thread
hmm but true somethig different and an valid point to be thought about
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actually this point does answer many a questions.
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Jeff
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Posted : Dec 18, 2003 12:27
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On 2003-12-17 20:11, manu wrote:
I wonder , does any artist hate me if i love their track and get it illegally ?
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I'm no artist, but if I was, I would be all the more upset if you loved my music and didn't even bother supporting me and encouraging me doing more tracks by buying it !
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manu
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Posted : Dec 18, 2003 14:38
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I'm no artist, but if I was, I would be all the more upset if you loved my music and didn't even bother supporting me and encouraging me doing more tracks by buying it !
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I do have original CDs of artists i truely adore or super compilations worth buying.
Ofcourse there are many albums worth buying , but one cant simply buy each and every album. There is a huge difference between other music scenes and trance scene , Here we want more and more music all the time .. cant just keep listening to same music.. need of new sounds.. need of evolution.. do u think it is possible for everybody to fulfill all their needs when it asks money ?
Full Respect to artists. I understand their dedication and sacrifice as well. Making music is like working with God for us humans.
Ill give u one more example , I have decided that would buy every new album of Infected Mushroom. They mean something to me. But recently i found couple of their new tracks came in VA Compilations. I am sorry i love infecteds music and i had to steal them.. couldnt think bout buying those albums.
Now since long time i am looking for Sub6 - Driod who saved the queen Please can anybody give this track to me ??
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Jeff
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Posted : Dec 18, 2003 14:58
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On 2003-12-18 14:38, manu wrote:
do u think it is possible for everybody to fulfill all their needs when it asks money ?
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Your message sounds very sincere, and clearly shows the point of many of us.
You see, I think there is a big issue at stake here. To make it simple :
1. The Trance scene would like to appear as a "rebel scene", rejecting commercialism and the like. That's why some argue the music should be free.
2. But what we see here, and particularly in your quote (nothing personal of course !), is one of the most blatant example of consumerism. You have been infected by the market process, like many of us : we always want more and more and more everything, like little children.
The ironical side of things is that this behavior escaped from its original frame : now, thanks to Internet, we can get product (softwares, music, videos...) without buying it !
The compulsive addiction of buying more and more, triggered by our economic system, is now threatening the system himself !
To put it in a nutshell, I think it is totally contradictory to say one rejects consumerism on behalf of an addiction which precisely characterizes a consumerist attitude.
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manu
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Posted : Dec 18, 2003 15:17
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Jeff your post do make alot of sense. We are addicted to music. If we cant buy , we will try to get it somehow .. coz we need it.
About wanting more. Its the point i am trying to make about Trance which is different from other music. There is no saturation in trance culture because of new sounds and evolution in music (since it is becoming a genre these days..) There are exceptional albums and tracks to which we can listen to any number of times , any time and any volume , but very few. Many are like they sounds great in couple of trips and after some time we tend to forget because of evolution.
and yeahhhhh i really dont want Government on internet world too now.. hehe
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nobody_3
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Posted : Dec 18, 2003 15:31
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I'm no artist, but if I was, I would be all the more upset if you loved my music and didn't even bother supporting me and encouraging me doing more tracks by buying it !
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There is a huge difference between other music scenes and trance scene , Here we want more and more music all the time .. cant just keep listening to same music.. need of new sounds.. need of evolution.. do u think it is possible for everybody to fulfill all their needs when it asks money ?
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Trance is NOT different than any other music in the sense that people want more and more. That's utterly rubbish mate and you know it 
There's many many more people listening to pop, rock ect. ect that download tons of mp3's every day. They too want new music!!!
It's not something exclusive for our scene.
The real issue is that people will always take what they can get for free no matter what price the product have... It's as simple as that and any other excuse is nonsense!
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manu
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Posted : Dec 18, 2003 15:51
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Music never dies. Thats true.
But , I do certainly believe that Psytrance is different from other popular and commercial genre.
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nobody_3
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Posted : Dec 18, 2003 16:01
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On 2003-12-18 15:51, manu wrote:
Music never dies. Thats true.
But , I do certainly believe that Psytrance is different from other popular and commercial genre.
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And that's where you're very wrong mate.... There's no difference.
In "popular" or "commercial" music there's tons of people loving the music they listen to just as much as you love psy. Why do you think there's something called "groupies"?
Just because you think psy is the best in the world does not mean that it's more special than other music.. It's only special to you whereas other music types are special to the ones listening to those types of music. And be sure they too download tons of music illegal simply because they can't get enough music !
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manu
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Posted : Dec 18, 2003 16:43
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I never said its special than any other form of music. Infact for me any music that gets you into the state of trance is trance music. Donot consider it as a genre.
I also agree there are tons of illegal downloads of other music as well , but buying of other music is more compared to trance music which is played at underground parties. Why ? because dont you think it gets old faster than any other commercial classic music meant for normal ppl ? may be NOt for other ppl.. but for us ?
This is psychedelic , depends on individual's perception , mood or mind state as well as perspective.
Other form of commercial music is mostly a trip with Guide. You follow the guide. His words. Even the route sometimes. Here , there is no guide. We are our own guides. Free to take ourself into our own dream world which may be good or bad.
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theivo
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Posted : Dec 19, 2003 00:26
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Elysium Project : i just wanted to ask u - how much CDs U Selling for Year now , and how much U expect to sell if all the ppl stop to STEAL your music ?
...i think the psytrance is more underground than commercial. Am I right ?
...why first dont we make the trance more commercial and then to cry how much music is stolen.
...if there's a 1000 ppl which R downloaded 1 album , if the album is good B sure minimum 100 will buy it. Others will delete files soon... or will make a crapy CD from them....
...ok what will be if 100 000 ppl hear illegal this album....
Just a words ...
I Have nothing VS. Anyone , just want to make this topic more interesting and informative
p.s. im not agree with these who make money by coping CDs
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nobody_3
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Posted : Dec 19, 2003 01:27
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Search for other post about mp3 in this forum and you will find my explanation... I am quite tired of explaning people (with endless excuses) simple mathemathics!
You dont care anyway so why should we the artists keep trying to make you understand? |
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Chaka Laka
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Posted : Dec 19, 2003 01:57
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the model the dude proposed is just right. but , to fully understand it u have at least once to be in a position when u want to buy smth but u have no money
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