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Lucas Aly
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Posted : Feb 23, 2005 01:40
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Well not everybody goes to rave parties to use drugs, but since i know, most of people on rave parties are under the effects of a drug, and i'm not saying all people go there searching for drugs, but once you are there listening to music, some of them enjoy using it.
Last Tribe party in Pirapora do Bom Jesus, there was a fighting, people throwing chairs on the others and on XXXPerience edição especial i saw a man punching another one on the face, so, i'm sorry to say, but rave parties nowadays in Brazil are infestated with no-sense people and drug addicteds.
So now the TV is ignorant and wrong because is showing something that DOES exist? Wake up bro.
Parties where drugs are Free. ILLEGAL DRUGS. People can be happy, sad, can dance, can do wharever they want, but still a fact that they're breaking a national law. It's a Crime.
So whats your point? Where do you wanna get? Whom you thinking you're tricking?
I'm not deffending the Midia nor attacking the parties (even because i'm a party goer) . But i think you could face the reality, instead of doing this teenager anarchist speach (No offense).
Peace and Respect Sherlock 
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sherlockalien
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Posted : Feb 23, 2005 20:44
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I dont think you understood me...
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I didnt say showing drugs is a problem.. Im saying showing ONLY drugs is a problem...
Do they show cocaine and lanca perfume in carnival? Nope.. why? because carnival gives money to them...
Now what is my point? My point is that the media has big influence.. If it only shows drugs on psyparties, and only fun on carnival, what will happen? What will happen is that people will continue leaving drugs happen freely on carnival, and on the other hand they will shut down psy parties....
About fight in psy parties.. 2 things.. 1st- maybe you are going to the wrong parties.... too commercial ones..
2nd- you saw 2 fights?! hahaha thats funny man... I doubt you will go to one single carnival festival or hip hop or whatever party without seeing at least a few fights or something, hearing about some shootings or even some deaths happening..
get my point?
and about my speech.. I accept im having a teenage anarchist speech if you accept that you are having a conformist capitalist biased speech... Are you? no not really.. am I? no not really.. we just have different opinions, so I think you naming my opiion as teenage anarchist is not much respect, and could easily be interpreted as offense.. except I dont care for fights
one more time: problem is not showing drugs themselves.. problem is only showing them and nothing else, not even one little bit of the good aspects and at the same time only showing the good aspects of other social events where there are a lot of drugs and fights etc... Biased news create biased general population opinion, which creates legal moves against psyparties, when the problem is not only in psyparties... |
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Lucas Aly
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Posted : Feb 23, 2005 21:11
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Carnival we have once a year, "psychedelic" (i wish they were) parties we have every single weekend.
There are no arguments against facts.
Anyway, Globo made it once, now Record, and parties still on.
Peace. 
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sherlockalien
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Posted : Feb 23, 2005 21:23
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ahn? so you saying that its ok for people to use drugs and for violence to happen on carnival because it only happens once a year?! lol
what about new year´s eve parties? What about the club parties, the hip hop parties, the forró parties, the pagodinho parties and all where a lot of fight and drugs also happen?
I dont think you got what I said.. maybe thats it..
parties still on? yeah some.. but in rio many were forbidden, for example... some parties are shut down while they are happening in sao paulo too...
Im not saying its all the fault of the tv, but its the fault of this general idea that psy parties are only for drugs and evil people, while all the other social events where just as much drugs and more fights happen continue to exist....
peace indeed.. but for all, not just a small group |
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Lucas Aly
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Posted : Feb 24, 2005 00:49
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On 2005-02-23 21:23, sherlockalien wrote:
ahn? so you saying that its ok for people to use drugs and for violence to happen on carnival because it only happens once a year?! lol
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Maybe you just don't wanna understand what i'm saying.
I understand your point when you say sometimes midia manipulates information and that's not what i'm discussing.
When i say "against facts there are no arguments" i mean that against the fact that DRUGS ARE FREE on rave parties there are no fookin arguments, and that's it. It' doesn't matter if there is on Carnival or on X or Y parties or anywhere you say.
I think we've had enough of these discussion.
Peace (for those who want it).
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J
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Posted : Feb 24, 2005 01:23
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I have no words after I saw this horrible, and disgusting documentary, whose folt is of those loosers (may God forgive) that don´t know how to take those "dangerous things"!!
Give me a break dude!!! I think, that this is a very peculiar matter, because we live in a society which unfortunatly, does not aprove this kind of behavior. But whose folt is it: (in my opinion)
* The parties are strating to get very comercial. The organizers (they excuse me)r just thinking about the cash. That´s for sure, i mean, just look at the rate o people in Raves 3 years ago, and today. I saw an add o Raja Ram´s in B.H, in the middle of the Getulio Vragas av. What the fuck man???
* What about those idiots in those orkut cumunities?? Most folt are theirs. Talking about these things just like if they were going to the mall. What loosers these guys really are.
* And the press, as they don´t know shit about such matter, they keep saying that WE always go to Raves looking for drugs to take. But, what can we do??
One thing is for sure... people r starting to get out of control. There is no enjoy of the music it self (i´m not saying everyone)but there lots of FREAKS (in the word´s real meaning) that don´t give a shit about there lives.
It´s pathetic, the way they (people) talk about raves. These fucked up, don´t know shit about it, and wnat to argue... That´s it, i´m to piss to right more...
bOOm
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sherlockalien
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Posted : Feb 24, 2005 03:31
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On 2005-02-24 00:49, Lucas Aly wrote:
When i say "against facts there are no arguments" i mean that against the fact that DRUGS ARE FREE on rave parties there are no fookin arguments, and that's it. It' doesn't matter if there is on Carnival or on X or Y parties or anywhere you say.
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and I never disagreed on that
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barizon66
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Posted : Mar 3, 2005 08:56
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Hey what's up fellas I've missed how this went after my post...
Sherlock my mate, what else would you expect from this kind of media, the sensationalist ones, if there is such term? I'm used to hear my grandma saying for me to watch out and take care with drugs, crime, lots of bullshit because she ONLY sees the TV news, and they ONLY show tragedies and overeacted things. There will be n+1 reports about drug consumption on this kind of parties, that's piece of cake for them, an easy task with high feedback... don't expect to see a report on "jornal nacional" with william bonner sayin "hey, wooow, this is wonderful, there are people discussing string theory on the chill area listening to awesome music, this is a life changing experience for them, they're above the ordinary ones, thinking about the present and future of mankind, you should give it a try spectator fellow..."
Who dig up this hole? My point is that no one but ourselves dug it, proud to be drugged ones, people that can't consume mind altering substancies without showing it off... people that post on orkut that "I'm taking pills, hash, coke and lsd to the festival, I'm sooooo coooll..." I already said, no hipocrisy, I never went off the dance floor just to smoke my weed, as a matter of fact I really like it this way, and I'm also digging this hole, and be sure that the media will use our weaker point, our achilles heel, for higher feedback with our misfortune, getting higher audience and selling more expensive ads, unfortunatelly... unless we protect ourselves, make some kind of hedge, what I really doubt about these days we live in...
It's sooo easy for them to get high audience, high income and bring us down huh? That's my, once more, humble point of view.
cheers!
edit: agree with you with the discrepant treatment psyparties and carnival do have, but one is traditional, involves LOTS of money and important people. It's a "lobby", a very common thing in our country, and psyparties aren't, unless "globo" novels create a "raver" character or the "diniz" family invest on the psy scene... interest to think about it now I see, no one throw stones on skol beats, and I'm pretty sure that there are more drugged people there than in any psyparty, in volume but not proportionally, well whatever... said enuff |
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sherlockalien
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Posted : Mar 3, 2005 15:37
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On 2005-03-03 08:56, barizon66 wrote:
don't expect to see a report on "jornal nacional" with william bonner sayin "hey, wooow, this is wonderful, there are people discussing string theory on the chill area listening to awesome music, this is a life changing experience for them, they're above the ordinary ones, thinking about the present and future of mankind, you should give it a try spectator fellow..."
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hahahah that was a funny one 
yeah I know that wont happen.. my point was just that its not such a ´normal´ thing, its not just ´our own fault´, because its involved in a huge machine with monetary interests, a lot of hypocresy, etc etc... Just saying how its not very ´objective´ so I disagree when people say ´its reality´ or similar.. its a distorted view of reality...
but yeah, I dont expect things to be much different, because I know how much interest there is for things to be like that.. but I do my part, I dont show off in orkut or whatever.. and neither do I only go for parties to take drugs (you said you dont, but last year for example I went for a 4-day party in germany, with many kick ass artists and I was even given mushrooms for free, and still I didnt take them and didnt take nothing else, neither alcohol...maybe my smoke here and there, but thats it.. and Im sure there are people like me too)
but yeah thats about it.. indeed its how it is because of many reasons, and it probably wont change, but this doesnt mean we should totally agree and accept and say its reality.. im sure you agree
edit: and again, I dont deny that there is a lot of drug consumption.. |
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