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Apocalypse Now
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Posted : Aug 16, 2003 00:42
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I was driving in my car yesterday listening to the live Son Kite show from Malmoe that was given out for free earlier this year. "Recieve part 2" came on and that's when I think I realized that there isn't a psytrance CD that I've listened to more times then this one so far this year. I know for a fact that I and many others that enjoyed this CD would have absolutely no problem paying for the next one.
Makes me wonder:
1) Would you be willing to pay for a live set in good quality directly from your favorite artist or label and then burn it on to a cd yourself?
2) Would it have to be only live music or could it also be a DJ set?
3) How much do you think is fair to ask for a set like this?
4) For the artists: How many copies would have to be sold for you to consider this project a success?
I think this could be a good way for established artists to get their music out to people that normally wouldn't give it a chance. I can't tell you how many people I met and heard of that became Son Kite fans just because of that one bootleg.
This also could be a way for artists to express themselves in a new way through their live sets, maybe by remixing an old track with new instruments or giving people a sneek preview of their new work. This might be a way to remind people of your nice old stuff and possibly give your new tracks some more longetivy.
At the very least this could bring in some new freshness to the scene and maybe help artists by letting them experiment with a different style/new direction that people might not be used to hearing from them. Worst case scenario? You record your set on a DAT, put it online and no one downloads it. There is alot more room for error and experimentation.
What could be a better way to promote yourself as a live artist? From what I am hearing, touring and doing gigs is the way that artists make most of their money nowadays.
If your live set is original and it gets good reviews here on Isratrance and people like what they are hearing then they will probably be more keen to travel and see you play it for them in person no? Also if you are a new artist trying to get a break you could get a solid push by giving away a set of your music and showing people how much fun your music could be at a party.
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technoid
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Posted : Aug 16, 2003 01:18
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I would not be willing to pay for something I had to burn onto CD myself, but would willingly pay for one that was burned for me. I would be more interested in MD than CD though.
I would like live sets and DJ mixes. I prefer to listen to DJ mixes and live stuff, it sounds more raw, you get the vibe of the party from it, and as a DJ myself it's more interesting to me.
I reckon it's fair to ask enough to cover the costs involved, and a little bit for the time put in. I would be happy to trade sets as well. I have some IM DJ sets and a few Acid Tek sets (if anyone's into that...).
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Apocalypse Now
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Posted : Aug 16, 2003 01:46
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I think the whole point of doing something like this would be to cut down significantly on the costs of making, producing and shipping out the CD. This would also to make the music more accessible to people who don't have credit cards, can't afford to pay 15 bucks for a cd or just can't/don't want to order for whatever reason.
This system would work much better especially if you are using MD's and not CD's. What do you need an original copy for if you are going to put it on minidisc anyway? Makes no sense to me.
If you can burn if for yourself you would be saving the artists/labels a huge part of the costs and you would be able to get essentially the same product for a third of the price. You also allow the artists to enjoy a much larger profit margin because he gets to cut out a couple of the middlemen involved.
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technoid
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Posted : Aug 16, 2003 02:16
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Absolutely, Apocalypse. I can't stress enough how much I think this is the way to go for artists, and this is the beauty of the internet and modern recording techniques.
I don't have credit cards, and I only have a MD player (I travel) so this would be so cool for me.
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Apocalypse Now
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Posted : Aug 18, 2003 04:19
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yeah, I wonder what other people think of this...
I really enjoyed listening to D-Nox's set from the Voov festival. Nice mixing and track selection he had there.
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KakoOlalaJwal
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Posted : Aug 18, 2003 12:12
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And what about simply releasing such a Live or Deejay set on CD and sell it ??
I have one Der Dritte Raum Live (original CD) and it's really amazing, the same atmosphere as Son Kite's one (U can hear the crowd) aaaaaaaaand.....
... a MAGIC version of "TrommelMaschine" with an everlasting Break-Beat introduction !!
Cool things like that are enough for me to buy it 
(Plus it was a double CD with a compilation on the other side -Harthouse Records- with friendly price)
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DeathPosture
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Posted : Aug 18, 2003 19:57
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On 2003-08-16 00:42, Apocalypse Now wrote:
1) Would you be willing to pay for a live set in good quality directly from your favorite artist or label and then burn it on to a cd yourself?
2) Would it have to be only live music or could it also be a DJ set?
3) How much do you think is fair to ask for a set like this?
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1) + 2) Yes, most definately... I love livesets and DJ mixes...
3) Well, if you just get some kind of code after payment and burn it yourself I think a fair price would be something like €5 ... Something in that area...
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Mike A
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Posted : Aug 18, 2003 22:41
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Live - hell yea!!!! Of course after mastering and stuff
DJ set - not at all.
Also double cd's, unmixed and live can be nice.
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technoid
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Posted : Aug 20, 2003 01:31
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On 2003-08-18 12:12, KakoOlalaJwal wrote:
... a MAGIC version of "TrommelMaschine" with an everlasting Break-Beat introduction !!
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(Off topic slightly)
I wish I'd heard that. Top TOP tune.
This is why such things as this are a great idea.
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krelm
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Posted : Aug 20, 2003 20:37
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I would be willing to pay a few bucks per month to subscribe to a service which provides recordings of live and DJ sets. Maybe something like 5€ per month, if they could provide ~5 sets each month from *known* DJs or live acts recorded from parties.
Personally, I prefer DJ sets to live sets in most instances (aside from a few masters like Son Kite, BLT, etc...), but I would definitely go for both.
I have no idea of the complications of something like this, but it would be nice if somebody could set up some sort of website like that. Keep a fresh supply of recorded sets from fairly know acts, and even possibly make space available for a limited number of sets for unknown DJs & live acts.
Websites like mercuryserver and djmixes2k (and many others) seem to have no problem finding a huge supply of sets from well-known progressive, house, trance, etc DJs, so why not also with psy DJs? Has anybody asked to record sets at parties?
I would be seriously ecstatic were I able to hear recorded sets at parties from guys like Mark Allen, Dimitri, Tsuyoshi, Anti, etc.
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russ
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Posted : Aug 20, 2003 22:37
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It would make even more sense for a label/collective such as Prooved or MPDQX or Plusquam to put up recent dj sets of the artists who work with them to download for free. Lives are basically boring, but except for a few like son kite i wouldn't get excited because i know the sound from their tracks.
as a promoter, what would be MUCH more interesting are dj sets. to book a live like shiva chandra or not is super simple: listen to some new tracks, book if they're good, don't if they're not. but dj's are much more tricky and much important for the party. plane tickets are so expensive, big outdoor parties can only happen once a year, and so much is on the line. one crap dj set for me is intolerable and inexcusable. if you do a party, why not get it right and have every dj play a bomb? it's important for me to book artists who have never come out here before, but it's more important for me to book a sound that i can be confident in, and i don't have enough chances to get to europe to find fresh faces. plus there are not that many psy dj's who are true technical dj's, and if i am going to fly someone across a big pond, they damn well better know how to mix! after hearing a downloaded dj set, i can have a pretty good idea whether i want to book this guy or not. that's the only way to be sure. additionally, after hearing a mix i can position him at just the right time for him to play since i have a rough idea of his current tastes.
D-Nox is a good example. He has a free download of his voov set on his own site, and that thing is fantastic publicity for promoters around the world. for sure the guy will get more bookings from this download. i think every other GOOD dj and GOOD label with good dj's should do the same. They would get more bookings and the promoters could do better parties for the dancefloor. |
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Mind Manipulation
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Posted : Aug 21, 2003 01:13
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Instead of labels trying to sell it, why dont they establish a PROMO network to deliver their artists live vibes? if labels and artists collaborate with the party organizers arrangements are always made....
It could be a good way to get a ball rolling.....
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Apocalypse Now
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Posted : Aug 21, 2003 12:08
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great ideas you guys are bringing up here.
I just hope the right people are reading this and maybe they'll act accordingly. I really think there is a market out there for this kind of stuff.
Instead of complaining about the new technology we have and crying about how it's ruining the scene, why not use it in your favor?
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Rob Fielding
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Posted : Aug 21, 2003 16:32
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On 2003-08-16 00:42, Apocalypse Now wrote:
1) Would you be willing to pay for a live set in good quality directly from your favorite artist or label and then burn it on to a cd yourself?
2) Would it have to be only live music or could it also be a DJ set?
3) How much do you think is fair to ask for a set like this?
4) For the artists: How many copies would have to be sold for you to consider this project a success?
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1) I'd pay for that... I buy most of my cd's anyway
2) I'd prefer for it to be a liveset, but hey... if a label puts livesets and live performances online, I'd be up to the people if they'd buy it... they could even let you audition the whole thing in RealPlayer or something.
3) I think five euros/dollars would be a right price... it shouldn't be too exepensive, after all, it's just a liveset, hardly any production besides a little mastering needs to be done for it.
4) Even though I'm not an artist in the way I spin at clubs... (I do spin a little psy though), I'm gonna answer this... From an artist's point of view, I'd say as long as people want your music, and in this case are willing to pay for them instead of just downloading them elsewhere... it's a success.
Some good thoughts in the above posts as well... Recently i've been looking for some good psytrance and goa livesets, but they're hard to get... so yeah, I'd be willing to pay for some nice music |
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Anak
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Posted : Aug 21, 2003 16:41
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i like the idea...
i would also buy dj sets, because its almost impossible (as discussed in another thread) to find dj sets from "famous" dj's on the net...
for dj sets from antaro, scotty, goa gil (which i have never seen any online - if u know where--->PM  ) for example, i'd pay up to the same price of an original cd...
but, it MUST be in mp3 for me. because i usually record live/dj sets on my MD to listen to it on the go. and its faster.
so, which artist wanna start ? 
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