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Pavel
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Posted : Oct 8, 2003 06:43
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On 2003-10-08 01:38, Elysium Project wrote:
what a load of c*** Ron... It all started because of a bunch of spoiled rich brats did not bother to lift their coca cola and pizza infected asses down to the record store....
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Well two weeks ago i took my coca cola and pizza infected ass to a not so local store in very late hour near the closing of the store after hard working day and tried to find some good cd. The problem was that i found some ridiculously old cd's (Trust in trance 2) and cds from this tume period, and just couldn't find some of the cd's i was eager to find. So i bought only 1 cd and not 3 cds s planned. So i took my coca cola and pizza infected ass to another 2 major stores in TA and didn't find a crap.
So yes, i know, i need to get shiny new intl card and pay too much money on transportation fees and feed some post clerks.
Yes yes, give us more of that crap.
The piracy hits Israel very hard, but even harder. The owners of Tower Records intl don't want to have represantatives in Israel because the jackass (Ofer Nimrody) that has the merchandise in Israel doesn't pay his money because his personal problems.
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technoid
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Posted : Oct 8, 2003 07:16
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That is damn funny 
I'm not convinced file-sharing is such a major problem. We had all this hoo-hah back in the '80's about home taping. I don't know for sure how hard the psy-trance scene has been hit by it, it's obviously a very touchy subject round these parts so I'll try and tread carefully. I don't want to upset anybody too much!
There are an incredible number of artists who are all for filesharing. I'm not talking about well-off major artists, either. They seem to be the ones with the problem, people like Lars Ulrich of Metallica and Eminem for starters.
A lot of artist who are just starting out see it as a good thing as it is a way for their music to get heard by people who wouldn't hear it otherwise. I know there are many times I've downloaded an album and then gone out and bought it or some other music by the same artist just because I want to own a copy or want to hear more of their music (I'm a bit sad like that, a bit of a record collector). The major companies have enough money to survive. They're just bitching, really. They've got to keep up with the times though. In all truth though I wouldn't be sorry to see them die and the artist be able to put out his own music without the middleman. That would be a good day!
I've not really been able to find a massive amount of decent trance and techno through file-sharing anyway. In all honesty though I haven't bothered with it that much. I like to buy vinyl, and I don't have my own PC.
I don't think downloading music makes me immoral, god knows I spend enough money on it anyway.
I would be interested to hear just how detrimental filesharing has been to this scene before saying too much more. I'll put my hand up and plead ignorance here.
I just don't think file sharing is as bad a thing as it's cracked up to be here though, in fact, this forum is the first place I've heard a bad word said about it other than by the likes of Lars Ulrich and the likes and the major labels.
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jabba
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Posted : Oct 8, 2003 07:43
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Well wrt the post and the news on the link ............... i just cant stop laughing 
the BMG spokesperson says "we knew it all along"
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nobody4
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Posted : Oct 8, 2003 08:55
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Verigoa, and all the ones bitching about lowering the CD prices - dont bullshit. No body can compete the price of 0 (that is what you pay for copying/downloading - zero), its the ultimate price for a consumer, and believe me- the labels, artists and distributors still have some minor expences to cover, so a price of 1$ for a CD is totaly imaginary (or even something in the region).
And don't tell me that if CD prices drop from lets say 18$ to even 10$ (which is non-profitable for the manufacturers) you will start buying CDs, because we all know its a lie.
And another lie - if labels improve the quality of their releases, they will sell more; WHAT A BUNCH OF CRAP! making 'better' music will only increase the amount of downloading/copying, since you will definately would like to have this new wicked release. And please remember that music is a matter of taste, what you consider crap might be someone elses favorite - who put you to judge?
Don't like it, DONT BUY IT! and definately dont download it and give it for free, because someone gets hurt by it.
Steve (Soliptic): in an eutopian world we wont have ppl ripping music, but we will also wont need jails, police or armies. does it really look possible to you with the human mind?
Einstine once said that there are 2 infinite things: The universe, and man's stupidity. Of course there will always come the smart ass who will crack the next piece of code. the question is not if he CAN do it, but if he SHOULD do it.
take for example the stupid nachi worm virus - what purpose did it serve? of course somebody was able to find this little loophole in the Windows system, but the question I was asking myself after 7 hours of fighting the damn thing - why should somebody do something like that? I didnt hurt him, its not my fault Windows in the most common and popular OS, take your stupid little war with Bill and shove it!
The same goes for the File swaping software developers - of course it can be done, the question is - should it be done.
Who is shooting himself in the leg? the cat is out of the sack now, no way we can un-spill the milk.
The way I see it (for the trance scene) - we will got back to the days of MD/DAT, where you simply couldn't find any releases, so you had to use swaping. U remember this time? I kinda like it today, when we still have hard copies of our work being distributed properly and legaly.
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Jeff
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Posted : Oct 8, 2003 10:23
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On 2003-10-08 08:55, helen wrote:
The way I see it (for the trance scene) - we will got back to the days of MD/DAT, where you simply couldn't find any releases, so you had to use swaping. U remember this time?
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Lots of people are regretting the "good old days" nowadays, even if they didn't experience them. And I was wondering : how far would they go ?
At last, someone dares to take it to the extreme (even if this is not what you would like to happen if I undertsood you well, helen) : back to the DAT era.
But how many are ready for that ? Even if the commercial bases of the Psy scene are highly endangered today, I don't think we already reach the situation of beating a dead horse.
Everything has already been said 1000 times on both sides on the mp3-sharing issue, and we still lack solid facts to back up everything.
A precise example : I remember Elysium Project stating here that he had received 500 mails (I don't remember the exact number...) saying his last album was great, whereas he had only sold 100 albums. Whence he concluded that 400 persons had illegally downloaded the tracks.
Does that mean that 7 years ago, he would have received 500 mails for 500 CDs sold, or 100 mails for 100 CDs sold ? In other words, is the sale drop relative or absolute ?
J.
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Mike A
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Posted : Oct 8, 2003 11:19
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On 2003-10-08 07:16, technoid wrote:
We had all this hoo-hah back in the '80's about home taping.
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Really?
Did someone had the possibility to get all the new tape-rips from an online source with just a click of a button?
You had to pay for the physical media - a tape. So it wasn't THAT bad.
File-sharing exists since the early times of the internet. IRC, ICQ, whatever.
The real problem is not the file-sharing programs. It's the mp3 releasing groups. They take all of the music, and "release" it into the public domain's, like trash.
When I was first exposed to real psytrance, it was because a friend of mine gave me a cd with mp3's. I got hooked, dl'ed a file or 2 I found at the IRC and then went to the store to buy my first cd at the time (MFG).
Today people will just go and get a list of all new releases and rip all of them (without even burning them - for your taping theory).
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traveller
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Posted : Oct 8, 2003 14:06
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the record companies should take over the cd-r markets..
sony atleast can't really bitch since they are selling millions of empty cds =)
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DETOX
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Posted : Oct 8, 2003 14:36
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Empty cd's are used for various reasons u know not just for illegally copying music.
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Mike A
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Posted : Oct 8, 2003 14:54
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It can be used for burning demos and sending them to labels 
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DETOX
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Posted : Oct 8, 2003 15:00
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And for using them as frisbies while playing with your dog 
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VertigOA
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Posted : Oct 8, 2003 15:35
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You guys dont understand -
You think CD's are going to last? You're nuts- we are at an age of wireless information. Before you know it we are going to be able download whole albums instantly to our wireless handheld computers. You think Im crazy - thats ok , many people thought personal computers would be useless. You dont think an artist will be able to distribute music themselves??? HAHAHAHAHAHAHHA < what a joke. None of you can see to the future where EVERYONE will be connected. We are already at a time where an artist can set up his own website, put his own songs, charge for downloads if he wants, even dload a cover - tho this will be usless in the future because you will be able to download full CD quality music to your handheld in seconds, whos gonna need a cover - maybe some artwork for your handheld while the music is playing.
Let me ask you something - how did you hear about most trance artists? Thru the internet in one for or another??? For me , this is true for ALL Psytrance artists. EVERY ONE , i have found thru the internet - so are you going to tell me that an artist will need a LABEL in the future to promote themselvs? Hell no? They dont need one now - the have the whole world at thier hands if they want. Where they gonna make most of their money? Touring. And if there lucky they will eb able to sell downloads from thier personal , or label is they so choose, website.
Go ahead and laugh and call me nuts -but cd's will be no more very soon.
I find it very amusing that everyone is still stuck on this notion that you will go to the record store and purchace your archaic cd's in the near future - hold on to the past and you will fall.
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nobody_3
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Posted : Oct 8, 2003 15:39
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I am not stuck in the past and tell people to go to the record store and mark my words.... I dont mind if the CD dies out and something else replace it..... even downloading.... But I am against people stealing my music!
And I am also against people listening to crappy sound quality... I can only speak for myself and believe me my music is not made to listen to in a crappy sound quality... If a much better sound compression is made available and if most people will be able to download it fast then I am all for it.... As long as they pay for it ! |
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VertigOA
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Posted : Oct 8, 2003 15:45
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EP - people are going to stop downloading just as soon and they stop speeding, stop smoking weed and doing drugs, stop drinking underage, stop cheating, in other words IT AINT GONNA HAPPEN.
Now you can bitch about it - or you can try to embrace it and think of new methods.
Im not trying to be an asshole, - im just being realistic. Beaing realistic is just being smarter.
And who knows, maybe behind the scenes the big companies are making plans for the future as they try to fight now, one in the music business ca only hope
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nobody_3
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Posted : Oct 8, 2003 15:57
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A precise example : I remember Elysium Project stating here that he had received 500 mails (I don't remember the exact number...) saying his last album was great, whereas he had only sold 100 albums. Whence he concluded that 400 persons had illegally downloaded the tracks.
Does that mean that 7 years ago, he would have received 500 mails for 500 CDs sold, or 100 mails for 100 CDs sold ? In other words, is the sale drop relative or absolute ?
J.
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well 7 years ago I did not have a e-mail address so who knows?
All I know is that I had much more sales and that people bought way more CD's than today... And yes it's strike me as being very odd that I get a lot more e-mails that my recent CD sale has generated (haven't checked the number today), saying how good my music is and how much they enjoy listening to it.... Unless they all have listened to the music at a friends house I must say that around 75% (statistically calculated) of all those people sending the e-mails never bought the lastest CD! |
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nobody_3
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Posted : Oct 8, 2003 16:01
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I am not really bitching here. I would love to find a solution that would make everybody happy. I just don't se such an solution going to happen soon as the internet is way too slow yet and the current technologies are way too weak.
I am just tired of reading the same old bad excuses why people download music... At least be honest and call a cow for a cow... People download because it's easy and free! It's as simple as that! |
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