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tokyokid
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Posted : Dec 4, 2002 18:58
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ShivaS: u mean the connection of the mushroom mag to this topic?
allmost all labels are promoting there stuff in the mushroom magazine. its very interesting for online and offline ppl in the world.
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traveller
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Posted : Dec 4, 2002 18:59
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7. most albums sold are boring, uninnovative crap
 "The dinosaurs became extinct because they didn't have a space program."
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bholenath
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Posted : Dec 4, 2002 19:04
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except for ambient releases traveller???????
....good fudge comes on slow!!! |
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ShivaS
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Posted : Dec 4, 2002 19:19
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so , does mushroom mag help sales?
isratrance is already 4 yrs old
it has ALL u can ask about israeli trance which is among leaders and probably the oldest on the scene. and it's on english
i am sure it does help sales sometimes even more then labels put efforts themselves
but anyway i am sure it doesn't help too much.
as an internet shop owner can u just say couple of words how the sales go?
no need exact numbers, it's private and i understand
just the truth:..does it go as u expected or at least not bad?
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DETOX
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Posted : Dec 4, 2002 20:29
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The biggest reason for low sales is that people simply DONT WANT to buy their music but they prefer to download mp3 and trade it with their friends.
As soon as everybody in this world will get fast lines like adsl the releases will become even lower.
Here in Greece whoever has a pc downloads music and very few people buy original cd's,they make teams of 3-4 people and they say to each other u r going to download this and this you are going to download this and this and then they exchange their music in the end of the month and they have almost every release available.
I know because i used to work like this.
People dont like to spend money when they can get what they want using other methods.
We are human and we are greedy,its in our nature.
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VertigOA
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Posted : Dec 4, 2002 21:13
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-From AstralProjection.com-
Gold Album for "AMEN" - 20,000 copies (in 6 days!)
slow?
or r they not psytrance anymore
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tokyokid
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Posted : Dec 4, 2002 21:47
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@OA: dont belive what all labels say about there sales....
@ShivaS: mushroom mag is mainly for ppl without internet. thats the only source they have to see whats up in our psy world.
u want the truth about my shop? ok.
we (me and domorecords) are now 1.5 month in business. our sales growing, but its nothing u can live from. i think u understand it also when u see our prices.
now the question who buy CDs?
mainly from germany & US. the only thing im wondering is that i have not only ONE israeli customer,and i dont know why....
because trance-shop.com has its stock in (benyamina) israel, so the shipping would be much faster and cheaper for them compared to the other shops abroad . also we are the only shop that accept payments in NIS! and for ppl without credit card we have the service with banktransfer and money order.
i think specially the israeli ppl are now getting there music from the net because of the havy economic situation.
that was the thing why i lower the price in the beginning to 48NIS/10$ but i got sooo much pressure from NTT, Cosmohilia, BNE, Phonokol and other labels that i had to higher it. sorry. i think we are still the best choice for the israelis.
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ShivaS
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Posted : Dec 4, 2002 21:49
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u truly are
goodluck!
p.s. israelis really don't have money for cds;( I may rise, but I won't shine ... |
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Jason (LyTe)
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Posted : Dec 4, 2002 21:51
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AP is one example, brock. But can you really compare a million dollars worth of PR, Sale pitchers, a four year anticipation from one of the top leading artists in the scene, to any other artist? it took a year for Infected mushroom to reach gold status for B.P.Empire and even longer than that for classical mushroom to reach gold status, and they are pretty much on-par with AP, in terms of fans and gigs (not the number of releases and veterence in the field).
I Agree with what most people mentioned here. People are dissuaded from buying CDs because of over-pricing and technological reasons, such as mp3 trades. what i don't agree to, is that there are too many "boring" releases. i don't subscribe to that, because in the past 2 years the trance scene has seen the bloom of some terrific artists, such as cosma, Hujaboy, tegma, lish, sesto sento, violet vision (not trance), astrix's debut, purple passion, various comps (Accupuncture, Fata Morgana, Pneumatic angels, encoder, emergence), and veteran releases such as haldolium, mark allen and space tribe.
Low Sales is not always to blame on the industry. maybe some of the guilt lies on our shoulders. we buy less because we can download or simply because it's overpriced. that doesn't make it right, but the fact remains that people are buying less. The question is, what do we do to change that. Like shahar's signiture: Be the change you want to see in the world. Instead of bitching about it, do something about it.
[ This Message was edited by: Jason (LyTe) on 2002-12-04 21:52 ] "We Do Not Allways See Things As They Are. We See Things As We Are" -Ancient Chinese Proverb
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nikur
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Posted : Dec 4, 2002 22:19
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Trance labels are often not "professional" enough, that also means if you want to sell you have to invest in the project and they just don't have the money to do so. So who will know about the album ? Only a few 1000 insiders, that doesn't make you live.
It's actually a budget problem if you had 1.000.000 $ to promote the next Infected album, it would probably sell a million, but you need the million first.
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VertigOA
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Posted : Dec 4, 2002 22:20
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Jason -
thats why i ask if they are even considered psy anymor, and not a more commercial mainstream group.
I buy less cd's and dload more cause honestly i dont like 90% of the stuff i hear. I think lables release anything with a kikdrum now and theres too much shit to waste money on. I'll still buy from labels i trust to release good stuff like Hom-Mega and some twisted stuff. Maybe i don't like as much trance anymore or maybe im just too picky in what i like, but i think there is way too much crap released and i wonder if that may be part of the reason too, aside form all the trading, that sales are low . i don't have any stats on sales so im only guessing.
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Mike A
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Posted : Dec 5, 2002 00:01
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On 2002-12-04 21:13, OA vs. Brock Landers wrote:
-From AstralProjection.com-
Gold Album for "AMEN" - 20,000 copies (in 6 days!)
slow?
or r they not psytrance anymore
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Not psytrance because of high sells?
Now that was a very idiotic thing to say.
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VertigOA
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Posted : Dec 5, 2002 00:11
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Not psytrance because of high sells?
Now that was a very idiotic thing to say.
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No Dude - read my other post too - i was ASKING if they were considered psytrance anymore, so as to actually count there high sales and high psytrance sales - i wasnt saying they were not psytrance cuz they sold alot of records - nothing i say is idiotic. 
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DETOX
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Posted : Dec 5, 2002 01:14
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I cant believe that they sold all these copies.
Its imposibble to sell 20.000 copies in a week in ourdays.
Its almost imposible to sell them in 6 months.
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Dave
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Posted : Dec 5, 2002 01:39
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Mushroom Magazine is not the only magazine out there that conducts interviews/reviews etc.. I recently made a purchase from saikosounds and received a magazine Shangri-la-la. It has a lot of info about new and upcoming releases and would be excellent PR for any promoter. The magazine is based in London but is essentially beneficial for anyone to read and of course it is english.
I think there are 2 majjor reasons why sales are low:
1- ability to get most of the music for free on the internet.
2- Realistically, and this is a guess but there wouldn't be many more than 200,000 people world wide who actually buy psy-trance music. Therefore with the amount of releases, well over 30 a month, it is simply impossible for sales figures to reach massive levels. The numbers simply dont add up.
A question for whoever is able to answer - what would be the highest selling trance CD ever, i would guess either an Astral or an Infected CD, How many copies would they have sold worldwide? |
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