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Rave OR Trance Party???

boomshanthi
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Posted : Sep 12, 2005 18:00
okay, i have seen a lot of people bitching about people calling parties raves... in many different sections... thought this is the section where a lot of very experienced users drop in... so can anyone throw more light on this... just out of interest...           We meditate upon the Spiritual Effulgence of That Adorable Supreme Divine Reality, the Source of the Physical, the Astral, and the Heavenly Spheres of Existence. May That Supreme Divine Being enlighten our Intellect So we may realise the Supreme Truth.
HandA
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Posted : Sep 12, 2005 18:11
To me the word Rave has always been associated with Warehouse raves alį Acid House parties in London in the early days and big commercial German Scooter raves alį Mayday etc. You know what i am talking about.. Well some do. Raves where kids have whisteles and white cloves

I am a bit sad and annoyed to see that so many people in our scene today have started to call our parties raves. Yes I know the term Rave could be used to descibe a party but still the idea of a rave is so far away from what I would like our parties to be like.

But I guess the new generation are more into the Rave culture than what we old grumpy people were into. We used to make fun of the German Mega rave scene
boomshanthi
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Posted : Sep 12, 2005 18:20
okay, i get the idea... but we are kids... you know 18-24 year old people... with a lot of fresh energy... and we have not seen the raves that you are talking about... we would surely love to...

but see thats impossible... that time is gone...

for me a rave would be an outdoor party with a lot of nice people, a lot of nice vibes, and very imprtantly a nice dj spinning some amazing music to keep the whole crowd smiling and tripping hard...

so isnt rave kind of a relative term? cant i use it to refer to a party of the likes of what i was talking about...

well, i really dont have any intention of offending anyone... just putting in my opinion... so please keep your thought flowing in...           We meditate upon the Spiritual Effulgence of That Adorable Supreme Divine Reality, the Source of the Physical, the Astral, and the Heavenly Spheres of Existence. May That Supreme Divine Being enlighten our Intellect So we may realise the Supreme Truth.
onyxura


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Posted : Sep 12, 2005 20:02
For me the term has changed in meaning over the the years. The original 'raves' in my town were illegal parties in warehouses etc where all kinds of 'techno'(read: electronic dancemusic) was played. After a while this scene got some attention in the media with huge headlines describing horrible drug abuse and all sorts of "bizarre" behaviour. At the same time alot of electronic dancemusic found a rather large audience. The parties grew in size and became legal, alot of the new 'rave-music' entered the charts, and voilą: A rave is now something completely different than it originally was.
Today HandA's description would be very fitting for what I associate with a 'rave'

This is offcourse only important if you worry about which label is put on a party, which in my mind would be nonsense
Colin OOOD
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Posted : Sep 12, 2005 22:59
Maybe in your mind, but for a lot of people today who go to psytrance parties, the term 'rave' would put them off coming if they saw it on a flyer.           Mastering - http://mastering.OOOD.net :: www.is.gd/mastering
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zatitude
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Posted : Sep 13, 2005 00:38
Its really a relative term that means different things to different people. As the UK members have said here the days of 'rave' there are long gone, but there is such a thing as the rave phenomena that has swept through the world in many places. It goes through distinct phases and dies when it becomes commercialised and too popular. Some of the pics I have seen lately of trance parties in Russia really remind me of the early days of rave here in South Africa ('92-'95) and its a good thing these young people are cutting their dance music teeth on psy trance

Although many psy trancers will hesitate to agree, I believe that at a good trance festival the spirit of rave is alive and kicking: the dancing, friendliness openness, the freedom to be, the togetherness blah etc. For me, a psy trance festival is a very mature form of rave. Many people not in the know will simply call it a 'rave' but I really dont believe that is any reson for panic over the term... I am one of the people that has positive feelings about the concept of a rave.
Colin OOOD
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Posted : Sep 13, 2005 02:08
Now you put it like that, Zatitude...           Mastering - http://mastering.OOOD.net :: www.is.gd/mastering
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Willy Wonka
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Posted : Sep 13, 2005 05:03
Quote:

On 2005-09-13 00:38, zatitude wrote:

and its a good thing these young people are cutting their |dance music teeth| on psy trance




Do you mean taking extacy ?

Anyway, so many styles of music so many names for parties, means nothing to me!
I go where i see proper lineup and it doesn't matter is it a rave or underground/inwoods/open air party. Artists/Djs say me where to go and not name on flyer.
The one who have problem with name of event he goin to visit should work as languist.
Basilisk
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Posted : Sep 13, 2005 05:52
They are completely different scenes as far as I'm concerned... now you can only really speak of what you know, and in my case that would be the scene here in Toronto. You go to a trance party and it's one thing, and you go to a rave and it's something else ENTIRELY. I have been crossing over to play at some real raves this year in the effort to "make converts" as I put it, and the parties are soooooo different... the demographic is much younger, people are more disrespectful, guys hit on girls very rudely, people scream out 'I NEED K!!!!" and throw their empty baggies on the ground and generally act like animals. There's always some tossers so fucked up on pills that they can't form a coherent sentence but try to talk to you anyway, spitting specks of froth in the process. Well, I may have a negative view here, but I -am- friendly to people I just happen to meet (even the thugs and jerks and frothy E-heads)... mostly I'm there to talk to people about psychedelic trance, let them know it's out there, and how the scene is different... a few people get involved - every once in a while I have someone come up to me after a set and say "you got me into this" which is always pretty nice. All the guys that run up to the booth and scream "PLAY SOME FUCKING JUNGLE!" aren't ever going to cross over anyway... somehow the music has a way of weeding out the jiblets and fiends. For me, a rave is one of those parties that is more focused on hardcore, jungle, and other upbeat elements from the classic days of rave. A party with house and techno and such - well that's a party by now, I guess. People are wearing buttoned-up shirts and have a red bull in hand - no glowsticks or whistles to be seen. Psytrance parties still have the shanti fashions with wrap-arounds and pretty patterns and plenty of dread-heads, in amongst the usual assortment of people sporting other styles (here in Toronto there is a huge crossover from the so-called 'cybergoth' style, so there are many people in black - myself included, at times). Here in 2005 the term 'rave' is almost derogatory by nature... there are perhaps some good things about those parties - I have some close friends who are all about the breakcore and love to make outfits for a party and such - but I seem to catch most of the bad elements... or maybe I'm just not on one disco biscuits for all, and don't forget the charlie!

But don't worry, if Skazi get their way, soon enough it'll be all the same homogenous wasteland of grinding jaws and whistle crews
robomarket
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Posted : Sep 13, 2005 08:26
underground, secret, selected crowd, no entry fee...setting:an abandoned warehouse or somebody's vast basement = A RAVE.

You pay to get in and you don't dance naked or barefoot = A PARTY.

but either way you look at it it's a party.

Newcomers to the scene or this kind of music like to call it "RAVE" because it sounds cool in front of other people. When you say PARTY, you know, there are party's everywhere.
robomarket
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Posted : Sep 13, 2005 08:27
i forgot! I call them "rolercoaster rides"
midislave


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Posted : Sep 13, 2005 09:35
about 5 years ago i was in an organisation called gowaco in antwerp, we used to squat many buildings for only one night(an empty church, an empty tunnel,.....)
we only asked 100 bef(2.5 euro) entrance to cover our costs, and the parties went on till the police came to stop it. i think i may call those parties raves
zatitude
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Posted : Sep 13, 2005 11:14
There is a very active free party movement in the UK who do free (illegal) squat/outdoor parties - check out the website Squatjuice - they sometimes refer to their parties as raves. Mainly hard fast and furious beats and a young crowd.

What you will find is that a certain amount of these punters will eventually find their way to a psy trance event, and then they will feel a relevation: I am home.

Some drugs like XTC are a catalyst to world of dance, it helps people shift their paradigms, opens new doors. But for most of us here in for the long haul we know that if you have to rely on the drugs to have good time, that a mistake and its not going to last. The young people exposed to the scene need to be helped to understand this is a non-judgemental and non-proscriptive way, and it can be done.


Ron Lyner
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Posted : Sep 13, 2005 12:51
noone say rave in israel (i didnt hear anyone say it)
rave sounds bad (and it also reminds me SCOOTER lol)
trance party sounds good
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TRapp
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Posted : Sep 13, 2005 12:58
rave is a crap word.....if u are in the psy scene and you refer to psy parties as raves you need to have your head reconfigured...serioously...we dont rave!!           I dont do the drugs....I AM the drugs
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