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rave hippie punks VS normal ordinary persons

14-year old e-tard
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Posted : Oct 6, 2005 10:19
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On 2005-10-05 17:47, Kire-naj wrote:
14-year old e-tard : Depends on what releases you have made.


I'm one half of Unison.
SPAM: Check out Etnicanet and Harmonia records. But mainly release breakbeat under my real name on Streetwise Recordings in the UK.
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On 2005-10-05 17:47, Kire-naj wrote:
science fiction

sci·ence fic·tion

Definitions:

fiction based on futuristic science: a form of fiction, usually set in the future, that deals with imaginary scientific and technological developments and contact with other worlds

sci·ence-fic·tionadj

--- science fiction isnt only make belive, it's a possibility.





Keyword here is "imaginary"
Anyway I am open to any possibility, I was reffering to "the matrix" that Gopendra so much dreads.

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On 2005-10-05 18:03, Gopendra wrote:
clothes are just a piece to cover the body,the black clothes that a priest wear for sure does not cover a holy person,but clothes is something like a mirror of the soul.


You're contradicting your self Gopendra. Make up your mind.
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On 2005-10-05 22:31, Gopendra wrote:
or you think that those people who seem "normal" wearing a suit are good people,ha those are the most dangerous from all,wake up before they shoot you from the back...


Sorry but what a load of bullshit! Where's your open mind Gopendra? Talk about stereotyping eh? That's like saying that all the people that have dreadlocks are idiotic, backwards thinking, good for nothing hippies that are to busy smoking spliffs in order to progress in their lives. Just because some people wear suits does not make them a copy of Agent Smith mate. You seem to be extremely paranoid and need a brain check or something. Snap out of it!
          Me>You
Pt.
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Posted : Oct 6, 2005 11:27
Well, I wouldnt say that clothes is the mirror of the soul. Of cource, clothes will reflect some of the personality, and the person you are. Right now, I'm wearing a souit, blue shirt, and a nice green tie. (I look really good btw )This just tells that I have a job where I need to dress "nice" and capetalistic. .. In my opinion, music reflects the soul. Not the clothes. .. Ups, gotto go. My boss is walking my way .. *poff*
Mushi


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Posted : Oct 6, 2005 12:04
Gope

people r two kinds bad and good

u can't judge people according to their dress, looks ect

but some people abuse the looks and give a bad image to that certain group of people

besides its ur choice but over reacting may make a joke to other people

who might be not able to understand ur mentality our ur drug behavaior

plus dude there's no control over drugs light and bla bla man its only a reason for u in order to keep doing it

man I was a druggie don't fool me
I smoke joints cause they make me feel happy and peaceful lol

I take acid to see the light wat if u r having a bad trip where's the light then lol

don't relate ur drug abuse with every shamanic ritual they use to do it once in a year while u do it daily lol is this the new ritual or is it addiction lol
and Im very happy if u have control maybe u can gives some lessons lol

it would be very useful for the junkies one shot only gents
Gopendragon
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Posted : Oct 6, 2005 16:28
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On 2005-10-06 12:04, Mushi wrote:
Gope

people r two kinds bad and good

u can't judge people according to their dress, looks ect

but some people abuse the looks and give a bad image to that certain group of people

besides its ur choice but over reacting may make a joke to other people

who might be not able to understand ur mentality our ur drug behavaior

plus dude there's no control over drugs light and bla bla man its only a reason for u in order to keep doing it

man I was a druggie don't fool me
I smoke joints cause they make me feel happy and peaceful lol

I take acid to see the light wat if u r having a bad trip where's the light then lol

don't relate ur drug abuse with every shamanic ritual they use to do it once in a year while u do it daily lol is this the new ritual or is it addiction lol
and Im very happy if u have control maybe u can gives some lessons lol

it would be very useful for the junkies one shot only gents


hmm I see you misunderstood my words and writing things as you like...
did I said that I smoke joints to make feel happy and peacefull? No!
did I said that I use every day drugs? No!
did I said that I use acid to find light? No!
As a person with shamanic spirit I say that plants like cannabis have a spirit,and when I smoke then my spirit is been merged with the spirit of the plant,and if I prepare my mind, give a respect ,and do it as a sacred ritual moment as Shivas Tandav for example,I get a positive spirit full of good karma wich lifts up my spirit higher with a mystical way without that cause any negetivity or get control uppon my mind.

About acid, if you are concious and prepare your mind in a shamanic way for that use than it is impossible to have a bad trip,and able to trip with spiritual guidance into the spirit world and be the master to drive as you want and follow my path to mystical knowledge.I had many much liquid and acid experiences in my life but I have closed that life circle my Mushi friend because I am too old for chemicals anymore.

Why not relate shamanism with drug abuse man?
Thats the secret tool to suck the energy from any substance and not the opposite to happen hehe...
About those rituals,not every day not even once a year,everything the right time in the right place with the right persons...
Believe me I have the control ,and the reason I write sometimes about substances is yes as you said give a drug lesson to those who use and dont know how to do it in a right and more safe way.
About the suit dressed people I said ,sorry I think you are right in that point ,but believe me I had some very bad and negetive experiences with people who was wearing that type of clothes in the past,so that is why I wrote a negetive judge about them.
sorry for the offtopics but I had to answer for some things that misunderstood.           ~~~~~~~namaskar~~~~~~~~~
After the End,a new Begining startS..
14-year old e-tard
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Posted : Oct 6, 2005 16:47
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On 2005-10-06 16:28, Gopendra wrote:
As person with shamanic spirit I say...


Whatever floats yer boat man. You obviously realise drug abuse is no game. Be carefull though, it is usually when you know you are doing shit loads, yet confidently state that you have absolute control. That's when you've actually lost the plot!

          Me>You
Pt.
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Posted : Oct 6, 2005 16:55
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On 2005-10-06 16:47, 14-year old e-tard wrote:
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On 2005-10-06 16:28, Gopendra wrote:
As person with shamanic spirit I say...


Whatever floats yer boat man. You obviously realise drug abuse is no game. Be carefull though, it is usually when you know you are doing shit loads, yet confidently state that you have absolute control. That's when you've actually lost the plot!





Really depends on the drug, mind, persons life, and how often, right? And Gopendra, as far as I know, isnt about chemical drugs as amph ect. He's more into the spiritual substances. And Ayahusca
is proberly his "drug" of choice. And there's no danger about this drug, except you might turn into a spiritual beliver.. I'm still a non beliver of the spiritual. I choose to belive in the natural. Life after death does not excist. offtopic.
Gopendragon
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Posted : Oct 6, 2005 16:56
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On 2005-10-06 16:47, 14-year old e-tard wrote:
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On 2005-10-06 16:28, Gopendra wrote:
As person with shamanic spirit I say...


Whatever floats yer boat man. You obviously realise drug abuse is no game. Be carefull though, it is usually when you know you are doing shit loads, yet confidently state that you have absolute control. That's when you've actually lost the plot!




if you dont have an idea how shamanism works I dont think it is good idea to write about control or lost the plot ,just words of the air man,dont start writing if you dont have to right something...
and espesially when when that is an offtopic...           ~~~~~~~namaskar~~~~~~~~~
After the End,a new Begining startS..
14-year old e-tard
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Posted : Oct 6, 2005 17:57
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On 2005-10-06 16:56, Gopendra wrote:
if you dont have an idea how shamanism works I dont think it is good idea to write about control or lost the plot ,just words of the air man,dont start writing if you dont have to right something...
and espesially when when that is an offtopic...


I leave the shamanic stuff to shamans man. I just said that you should be carefull because shaman or no shaman, drug abuse is dangerous. If you are so confident, really know what you are doing (even though your posts have lead me to think completely the opposite) and you are happy, then I am happy too
          Me>You
Run Lola
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Posted : Oct 6, 2005 18:03
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On 2005-10-03 17:37, Pavel wrote:
I sooooooo hate it when people are commenting on my long hair and telling me it's not masculine. Like, you have long hair, than you are not man enough...???
Obviously they are nothing more than ignorant fucks.



i never said that ur hair looks ugly
but i said maybe it would look better on u if it was short.

it got nothing to do with "us" and "them"as pr0fane said.. people stare and comment on anything striking. i'm sure that the gothic fans feel the same if not worse.
I didn't know we were a tribe anyway !!
exotic
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Posted : Oct 6, 2005 19:10
punks?? i hate punks... and that too hippie punks ..           missing plug-in
Mushi


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Posted : Oct 6, 2005 22:58
Man it's your life
do whatever wat suits Gope

u beleive in shamanism and spirits fine man I respect everyone's point of view

plus I have tried Aya my friend I know what mean the expierence was totally different from any other substance but my friend all I wanna say is u should be more careful

a friend of mine how was all about spirituality he was obessed about dmt and aya as well as other psychadeleics end up in a mental institue once so u can't say there isn't a such a bad trip or mental break down

I saw him suffer couple of times in his trips so where's the postive energy man its true u can fight it and try to remember ur own reality so u can keep low levels of control but man sometimes it hits ur nuts out and the vibe take u far away and u become so panaroid losing total reality and having distribing hullancation so what is postive about that ?

man some psychadeleic experiences might be pleasent but not always and if u already been there u don't have to do it again and again

plus dude u beleieve in different things shiva and shamanism trying to relate every scared ritual to yourself through the use of different substances smoking herb as hindu's and consuimg ayahussca as amazon tribes be more specfic and do one thing lol or u wanna have a combantion of every tribe making ur unique one its just ur mind my friend one day u will change and think about it

besides did u try smoking dmt ??? do u still think its postive is death experience something postive ???

and if u didn't experience that yet my friend one day u will thats what Im worried about after that I don't think u will be so happy about shamanism

so please take care and try to open ur mind to different views in life not just shamanism by the use of subtances plus shamans can heal do u ?

We come one !!!!
Oran
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Posted : Oct 6, 2005 23:03
guy's,please stop with the drug talks.u know music forum/guidelines bla bla.

thank's.
          Always agressive never progressive.
Gopendragon
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Posted : Oct 7, 2005 08:17
@Mushi
@14 year old e tard
thanks guys you care I really apriciate that and I mean it although we argue all the time,but that is normal different people different minds.it is better sometimes to have different opinions than to agree because that the way we became better and learn things...
I will follow respect and say sorry to Oran(m.p) and say only one last thing,as an much open minded and spiritual person I am what i am trying to do is to find the golden incision between each diferent religion,belief and find the basis and the common things between them,everyone believes any think that seems better to him and follow his own different vibe,so yes Shiva and shamanism why not?
do you belive that Lord Shiva havent got any shamanic elements?
          ~~~~~~~namaskar~~~~~~~~~
After the End,a new Begining startS..
The Green Channel
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Posted : Oct 7, 2005 10:55
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On 2005-10-06 22:58, Mushi wrote:
Man it's your life
do whatever wat suits Gope

u beleive in shamanism and spirits fine man I respect everyone's point of view

plus I have tried Aya my friend I know what mean the expierence was totally different from any other substance but my friend all I wanna say is u should be more careful

a friend of mine how was all about spirituality he was obessed about dmt and aya as well as other psychadeleics end up in a mental institue once so u can't say there isn't a such a bad trip or mental break down

I saw him suffer couple of times in his trips so where's the postive energy man its true u can fight it and try to remember ur own reality so u can keep low levels of control but man sometimes it hits ur nuts out and the vibe take u far away and u become so panaroid losing total reality and having distribing hullancation so what is postive about that ?

man some psychadeleic experiences might be pleasent but not always and if u already been there u don't have to do it again and again

plus dude u beleieve in different things shiva and shamanism trying to relate every scared ritual to yourself through the use of different substances smoking herb as hindu's and consuimg ayahussca as amazon tribes be more specfic and do one thing lol or u wanna have a combantion of every tribe making ur unique one its just ur mind my friend one day u will change and think about it

besides did u try smoking dmt ??? do u still think its postive is death experience something postive ???

and if u didn't experience that yet my friend one day u will thats what Im worried about after that I don't think u will be so happy about shamanism

so please take care and try to open ur mind to different views in life not just shamanism by the use of subtances plus shamans can heal do u ?

We come one !!!!



First of all, my mushi brother ,

The NDV church (is active in Brazil, Peru and Holland amongst other places), uses the Ayahuasca as a holy sacrament, they drink Ayahuasca every two weeks.

About half of the members in Brazil for instance are also members of the medicinal faculty of Brazil, which means that they are doctors, nurses and so fourth.

In the early nineties, they made a study for the Brazilian government, which concluded that only difference between the Ayahuasca drinking members of the NDV church and the general population, was that the members of the NDV church had better memories then the general population (keep in mind that they don’t use drugs).

Another interesting empirical observation that one might make, is that there isn’t a country in the world where Ayahuasca is explicitly illegal, now in my opinion there are several reason that have secured Ayhuasca´s legislative legitimacy.
One of them is that it’s very, very difficult to use Ayahuasca as a recreational drug (in fact it isn’t a drug, it’s a sacrament).
Secondly very few people become psychotic after an Ayahuasca experience (don’t believe me, study the field).
However some people do become long-term psychotic (although it’s very rare and compared with the problems that society faces because of substances like Alcohol or Heroin for instance, it’s not even worth mentioning imho). For sake of argument lets focus on the group that do go crazy, I would argue that 9/10 of them didn’t have proper guidance (a Shaman, an NDV church member or an experienced ritualistic guide), that leaves us with 1/10, yes, here we do agree this person should probably never have even come close to Psychedelics (shamanism), he is most likely to have some psychological trauma or tendencies towards schizophrenia which surfaced after the psychedelic experience.

You mentioned that you didn’t like the experience of smoking DMT, in my opinion my brother , it’s was the most beautiful and profound experience of my life, or at least thus far in my life, albeit it’s definitely not for everyone.

You also state that my brother Gopendra should focus on one spiritual direction, instead of using all religions and spiritual directions in sort of a cocktail. That’s interesting because that’s exactly what happens to you when you practise shamanism, you realize that all religions are basically interpreting the same truth, just in different words. When practising shamanism you start seeing patterns, you start to feel connected to all humans (that’s why I always write brother in my posts, because we are all brothers and sisters, go far enough down and you will se that we are all related ), animals, nature and you see that we are all “truly one”.

Shamanism is not a religion it’s spiritualism, it predates civilization and any religion. It’s based upon direct experience with Gaia, in contrast to our religions, where you mostly have to go through a priest for example in-order to have an understanding of God (which they don’t even have).

Shamanism was present before civilization and religion, and, will be around after the collapse off civilization and religion.
          "Love is a way of life"

(Gaia, Love, Nature, Shamanism (.2A.y.0a.hu.1a.sc.2a.), Terence McKenna)
Gopendragon
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Posted : Oct 7, 2005 11:13
rave hippie punks vs ordinary normal persons
that reminds me :
gopendra vs mushi,14 year old e tard
it is almost the same a sthe subject hehe
am I wrong?


mushi about the healing you said ,I doing that to my self first and then if i could to other who need that...
and that is the positive think man,wich probably you could not understand,because maybe you havent experinced something like that I do,and that because you might not need it ,diferent people different lifes ,different experiences sometimes the same but with different minds
...dont be so sure and judge so easy thinks ,get conclusions,for people you
dont know well...

What I learned from that topic?
that I dont have to say "rave hippie punks vs ordinary persons" and better find something like a golden incision between those different social types...
love peace unity and respect we say and better mean that, right?
          ~~~~~~~namaskar~~~~~~~~~
After the End,a new Begining startS..
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