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Psykovsky Faking Live set at Lost Theory :(
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!lUUli
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Posted : Aug 26, 2013 03:20
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this is unnecessary. |
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!lUUli
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Posted : Aug 26, 2013 03:21
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.first time ive been on isratrance in years. |
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Axis Mundi
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Posted : Aug 26, 2013 04:07
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Having a showy performance is definitely part of it, which is what makes you a performer in the first place, but like Tony and other people mentioned, that's why you have a person up there and not a machine. Seems like some might prefer him to look like he's reading Facebook for 6 hours straight but hey - doubt you're gonna get that from him.
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OzMike
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Posted : Aug 26, 2013 06:10
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Come on, who really cares in the end? Do you know how many ppl go to their office job and sit on fAcebook or twitter the entire day? How many ppl go to a building site and stand around talking while the other bloke uses the machinery?
Their are lazy fakes in every industry and more of them than the actually hard workers.
How many ppl here go to their day job and put in a solid 8 hours of intensive work every day without slacking off at all?
I'm sure Psykovsky either puts in some hard yards programming his sounds pre-gig or at least does some work on stage during it.
Unless you were standing right next to him and could see the actual screen in minute detail you have no claims whatsoever.
I use Ableton and know for a fact that a lot of what is done has no effect on the audio output at the instant if at all. He might be just manipulating and inserting new loops or samples or doing a bit of sequencing or loading some fx etc.
So as far as I'm concerned the OP has no actually eveidence that Paykovsky was doing 0% with those knobs.
He's making an assumption from the front of the stage based on the sound coming out. Also based on an artist who's work he clearly states he does not like, and unless I'm mistaken the OP is not a musician or an Ableton user so has no right to call out a person using such materials??
Also, as previously stated, I really doubt Psykovsky could give. fuck what the OP or anyone else says on here, so he won't reply. (From what his wife said to me a few years back on MSN Psykovsky doesn't really care what anyone thinks, he does what he wants and if you don't like it go to hell, which is the attitude I find most artists in any art field have).
You had a bad experience, so suck it up, be a man and focus on the good aspects of the festival.
I paid good money to see fear factory a few weekends ago, only to find out they faked the drumming and had played drum tracks instead of the drummer doing it. I still had a good night, felt a bit ripped off but overall the music was good, the rest of the band put on a good show and that was what counted.
It's electronic music ffs, not the goddamn opera!!
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pete
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Posted : Aug 26, 2013 08:54
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Sounds like I'm basically in agreement with a lot of people in that there's some degree of showmanship, but that's not the end of the world.
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shpongled247
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Posted : Aug 26, 2013 09:08
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Good discussion. 
Anyway, my point was, really, that I would rather just see someone mix their set on CDjs than pretend to be playing live. That's all.
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GhregOnEarth
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Posted : Aug 26, 2013 09:18
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It's verey likely that God faked creating the Universe.
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pete
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Posted : Aug 26, 2013 09:20
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OzMike
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Posted : Aug 26, 2013 10:06
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I'm pretty sure my wife's camera few orgasms over the years but by god it didn't make the sex any less enjoyable for me!!
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GhregOnEarth
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Posted : Aug 26, 2013 10:37
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Oxygen is definitely fake. I can tell by the pixels. |
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Ellon
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Posted : Aug 26, 2013 11:17
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On 2013-08-25 17:07, Ricciardo wrote:
Read a lot of nonsense in this topic..
for starting: A real live isnt impossible, you just need to realize that a live action have nothing to do with making a music in real time, obviously sequencing an entire music in real time its almost impossible...
secondly: using ableton live and a midi controler you have everything you need to create a true live act, where you mix your music as live set and you can syncronize midi clips above the tracks adding cool sections to certain parts of the live...
third: this isnt so dificult if you do the home-work, if you make a minimal effort to perform well and if you practice...
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Well said....the term live act has wide shoulders for many minds. Playing from Ableton (or other software) performing changes (live) in your music through fx, loops and/or using a synth on top thus creating something new and (a)live is...live act enough for me. I really enjoy when someone brings along tons of hardware and chooses it to perform and present its music but it's a matter of choice that shows (in the end) craftmanship and knowledge in a certain area. What if i as an artist dont want to do it in this way???? There are many ways to present your music...and many people pretend to do "more" than they actaully are doing it because of the pressure imposed by some.
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Aug 26, 2013 19:03
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On 2013-08-23 19:05, Beat Agency wrote:
OOOD does not play real live. They too have computers running prerecorded music and then they add stuff on top of it. That is not real live in my book.
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Your book needs to be expanded with new definitions then Musicians playing instruments on stage is the main definition of 'live music'. I've always been open with the fact that we use Ableton playback alongside live keyboards, guitar, percussion and FX. It's self-evident that the things that make psytrance work on the dancefloor - hyper-accurate rhythms, multiply-layered music with many modulations - are the things that make it impossible to play 100% by hand; anyone who insists that any form of sequencing or playback must be removed before it can be considered 'real live music' is taking part in another discussion entirely, in the room reserved for extremists, fundamentalists and conspiracy theorists.
If you have musicians playing their instruments, whether acoustic, electronic or computerised, those musicians are playing live music even if there is also playback. If there are no connections between the actions of the people on stage and the music coming out of the speakers then no part of the music can be considered live. This flows from the definition of the phrase 'live music' and is nothing to do with whether the guy who made the music is alive whilst standing next to his computer as it plays.
Let's face it, if there was no shame involved in pretending you're manipulating the music in your live sets, we'd have people standing up and saying "Yes, I press play and pretend to twist some knobs but they don't do anything, I'm just pretending. It's great!" in interviews. But even though such behaviour is very common we don't hear that or read it - partly because "so exactly what were you doing while your set was playing?" is a pretty technical question and most readers aren't interested in the minute technical details, and partly because it's obvious that admitting being a faker will not make people like you. The audience wants its performers to have some integrity; to give of themselves on stage and to be creating even just a part of their sound in real-time with the sweat of their brow. Just like the guy on this thread who saw a band whose drummer was miming to playback and was disappointed, the audience knows what live music is, even as greed and ego tries to change the definition for its own ends.
I agree with Ellon when he said "using ableton live and a midi controler you have everything you need to create a true live act". I've taught many classes of 8-10 year old schoolkids how to make music on Ableton and how to then perform it live. None of the reasons for faking a live set are positive ones.
I don't care how an artist chooses to use their skills as a musician on stage as long as they're busy (as appropriate) doing stuff we can hear. If you don't take risks on stage with the music, you will never truly learn what magic can be created between artist and audience and for that, I pity the fakers, however famous they may be.
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Beat Agency
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Posted : Aug 26, 2013 21:53
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On 2013-08-26 19:03, Colin OOOD wrote:
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On 2013-08-23 19:05, Beat Agency wrote:
OOOD does not play real live. They too have computers running prerecorded music and then they add stuff on top of it. That is not real live in my book.
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Your book needs to be expanded with new definitions then |
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My Book does not have to agree with your book. And it does not 
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SpreadTheLove
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Posted : Aug 26, 2013 21:56
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Aug 26, 2013 22:08
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I didn't want to get into talking too much about what we do as OOOD because that isn't the discussion that's going on, but seeing as our name has been dragged into this thread:
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On 2013-08-26 21:53, Beat Agency wrote:
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On 2013-08-26 19:03, Colin OOOD wrote:
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On 2013-08-23 19:05, Beat Agency wrote:
OOOD does not play real live. They too have computers running prerecorded music and then they add stuff on top of it. That is not real live in my book.
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Your book needs to be expanded with new definitions then |
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My Book does not have to agree with your book. And it does not
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Please then take a look at what I wrote and describe why you disagree that an OOOD performance contains at least elements of Real Live Music (tm).
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