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___bomshankar
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Posted : Mar 13, 2001 07:53:19
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So ppl say now Tsuyoshi, Mark Allen & Dado moved to playing house and club techno- does that mean that that music is more evolved or that these DJs are devolved????
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___GuyShanti
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Posted : Mar 13, 2001 13:23:09
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i belive its a bit of all - the smell of money indeed has a part, dj's boredom with a musical style they've been with for a decade and the perhaps misguided conception that housy = intelligent.
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___shahar
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Posted : Mar 13, 2001 13:46:42
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Just pie them!!!!
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___Dreamer
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Posted : Mar 13, 2001 16:59:53
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pie them? it didnt work for Tsuyoshi.
he might even liked it. ;)
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___yuli
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Posted : Mar 13, 2001 17:29:58
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Bom Shankar I rarely use this kind of speech but your understanding is probably not very exceptional - everyone has the right to earn some $$$ - there is nothing bad with that and these DJ's found out that if they stick to trance they will loose their pants - part of them might even got literally through that stage.
PPL there is nothing wrong with Tekno music. There is nothing wrong with Club music and there is nothing wrong with House music. Stop feeling u r in Golani and the dudes from Giv'ati are just morones or bitches or something like that. Every kind of music should have it's respect and everyone changes and it's not anyones buseness why an artist chooses what he chooses to do. These DJ's are first of all ppl that have their lives first - much before the satisfaction or dis-satisfaction they cause to their fans
Thanx for listening,
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___Dreamer
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Posted : Mar 13, 2001 18:19:13
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If they want to change style either for money or fun then so be it. no matter their reasons are, they're free to do whatever they want and I have nothing against it.
but please - by all means, I don't want to hear house in trance parties. If someone play house, he should play in house parties. same as they have the freedom to change their style, I also have a small freedom to choose and go to trance parties. and when I hear club eknohouse in trance parties, I'm feeling this freedom of mine is gone.
why do I have to learn in the hard way which dj's to stay away from? I would never guess it about Tristan and Dado. well maybe Tristan but hearing techno from Dado was a sad surprise indeed.
If this is the future of trance parties then I'm afraid it's the end of trance parties for me. :(
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___yuli
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Posted : Mar 13, 2001 18:40:09
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I am with u in this, Dreamer |
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___david_kebab
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Posted : Mar 14, 2001 02:59:54
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i must say.
if u play only one kind of music in your set it can be boring.
you should mix it with inteligence.
non of the names you guys said(DADO,Tristan Nor anyone else of these DJ`s) never started to play TECHNO.
maybe you guys should give it more chance- well not the shitty stuff that dado and tristan played in mehara hasmalit but to other stuff.
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___bomshankar
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Posted : Mar 14, 2001 09:44:59
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Hey Yuli,
Didn't say that anything wrong with any music, and each person can do what he want. But I think that most club, house & commercial techno is not as evolved as trance. I think that going backward, especially for money, is dumb. I want to go forward in life, that was what trance was all about I thought (that's Y I like your music).
I just wanted to read other ppl's thoughts about this.
PS
I find you writing offensive (didn't undestand the second part of it, though) |
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___DJ_Psykick
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Posted : Mar 14, 2001 13:27:17
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Bom Shankar:
Golani and Givati are 2 different fighting units in the israeli army...
and there's a tension between the 2 of them...
i hope i said it right...if not any1 is welcomed 2 correct me... |
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___GuyShanti
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Posted : Mar 14, 2001 14:10:51
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I see it this way:
once upon of time there was a thing called a dj. the dj was a person incharge of making ppl dance in a party, no matter which party it is. the dj was supposed to 'read' the crowd and play them what will make them to move.
these days too many djs have forgotten the reading stage and r too busy playing their stuff even if it has no effect on the party, not a good effect in any case. i go to a lot of parties and hear sets and hear that too many times a dj will play a track just cuz its new, or rare even if it sux or not suitable. the same goes with musical styles - the trend today is more housy so some djs will exagerate the house elements even if the crowd is against it just for the sake of the few 'MAVINEY INYAN' in the crowd will say that dj xyz is a good dj cuz his style is housy. this is about the locals - the big names r doing that cuz mabey ppl abroad like the stuff but when they come to Israel they dont read the crowd or they try to prove points rather then make an enjoyable time. I saw Mark Allen's last set in the Dinamo. it bored me to tears. it bored just about everyone there. the place is not dark and mark allen could see the boredom on ppls faces and yet he continued the boring monotonia. why???
I'm not saying that DJs should not musicly educate ppl, on the conterary! but when I go to a trance party I want to hear trance. when I go to a dance - I want the DJ to make me dance and not fiddle with my brain.
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___yuli
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Posted : Mar 14, 2001 17:11:01
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Bom Shankar,
Yep, I was a little aggressive - it's not personal against u but more against a way of thought which I find disturbing.. and as I said in beginning of things I don't use this kind of harsh language usually.
Man - it is your right to think that trance is more evolved than other electronic dance music genres.. It's your opinion. Now I tell u that in my opinion trance music ( which is very special to my heart ) is definitely NOT more evolved then Tekno or even House.. It follows the same patterns, same buildups and all I need is usually 10 seconds from an unknown track to know who stands behind it. There is a chance ( No Offence ;-) ) that u don't know Tekno too well - so I advise u to dig a little bit in other electronic genres and u will c that Trance music STANDS STILL whilst Tekno moves forward all the time and it's not surprising at all that nowadays Tekno/Trance ( see almost all Swedish/ German releases ) is what Psy Trance lovers go for. TRANCE as it is today has very little to offer ( Sorry again ) and the quantity of quality music is really really small in comparison to quantity of 2 - 3 hour work trax that going around.
That is one of the reasons that DJ's switch to other directions and to say it's DUMB is not to understand any of their motives - and I haven't spoken a word about money...
It's very nice and all to DJ for fun and to c ppl enjoy and all.. but u can't have food from good energies only ( btw there are not so much of these in our trance scene ) then u switch to something more profitable that can ensure your future a little more.
Some ppl in this scene ( Mark Allen, Tsuyoshi Suzuki and such ) live from what they do and it is only normal that they quit the 'bullocks' and seek to b pro's in what they do best - obviously they can not do that in the trance scene..
Look - Tristan ( a very very respected DJ and artist ) came to the Oma Coma party played Vinyl like a mother ( amazing mixing skills ) and his set was a little housy and he got so much shitty reviews - why? I don't like house too much and I listened to his set and I could appreciate it and the bottom line for me was - its ART first and it was a WELL DONE ART - so what's the fuck?? Why to go down on the poor soul? He is not a slave but an Artist and so are the DJ's we are talkin about.
Hope this time I made my point.
PS: Cheers for still liking my stuff after I go down on you pal, way to go!
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___Dreamer
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Posted : Mar 14, 2001 18:18:42
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well as I wrote in my small review of the Oma Coma party, I do appreciate all those artists. and Tristan indeed showed great mixes skills. but that's not the point. the point is that house music has no place in trance parties. I can't connect to it at all!
I'm not saying I'm narrow minded, I do tend to listen a little to some techno, acid jazz, dnb and even some classical music. I'm also willing to hear house if someone can recommand me something good to hear. but in trance parties I want to hear trance.
I'm not doing chemicals so the trance itself is the drug I need to be able to dance. I do recall when I felt my brain is being electricuted by the sounds and only trance can do that. and the feeling is amazing.. :)
btw Yuli, you know you can't quit doing music. what's that thing with selling your gear?? you can't do that. otherwise all the ppl here will lock you in a small room full of synths and force you to do music. :) :) :)
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___david_kebab
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Posted : Mar 14, 2001 20:21:08
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for Yuli:
i have red what you wrote about formulas in some kinds of music and its i agree with it.
i have 2 answers for you.
first formula is not a bad thing- infact most stuff you do is formulated.
there r some formulas i really like and they make me happy.
but when i play my sets i try to seek out the stuff that is not formulated.
this is what i try to do with my sets.
i think that trance and psy trance is a VERY formuleted music.-yuli you should seek out new stuff.
For Sa-chi:
looking for a good house cd?
try off limits 2 by DJ DIXON.
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___bomshankar
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Posted : Mar 14, 2001 21:26:01
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Yuli, I don’t understand you. You talk about these ppl doing art but you say they do it ‘cause they need the money. Now I believe you do art ‘cause you need to create, and not for your physical existence. If you can make money with it, great. If you can make money with something related to it, great- just be careful not to lose the joy of creating.
Now I’m not big master in electronic music, but I have an open mind and one of my hobbies is to go into the stores, wonder around and pick CDs at random and listen to them- I like- I buy. That’s how I discovered psytrance. Now, most club music bores me- most house is childish and stuck in time, apart from some good track here and there, most melodic oakenfold trance that is so popular is just old goa without the vibe. Shasha & co. and even the progressive cass & slide mafia are just making me feel like I’m listening to phony music. There is some good techno being made, but a lot of what I heard has no feel, no emotion, and tends to be negative. I’m willing to try and listen to anything you suggest that will make me feel different.
I haven’t heard Tristan and Mark Allen play lately, but I heard Dado and Tsuyoshi- they bored me man- no food for the mind, nothing to take my mind somewhere when my body is in trance- for me this is going backward!
Anyway, I obviously touched a soft spot there, didn’t mean to- my boss is starting to wonder why I type so much, so I’m back to my low profile.
And GuyShanti- I like what you wrote!
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