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Psychedelic rock ... is it ?
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black_dew
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Posted : Nov 19, 2003 13:17
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pink floyd, beeatles [in a certain time] and the rest...
some sais that the psytrance evolution seriously connected to the so called "psychedelic rock" age and influenced by these and more artists.
is it true ?
i mean...sure thing these artists used sometimes an electronic sythesizers and machines to generate electronic sounds.
but what so psychedelic in the music itself ???
i think these are just rumors and opinions that developed into "facts".
pink floyd and those are similar to it...as said before - is it psychedelic ?
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traveller
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Posted : Nov 19, 2003 13:23
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umm..
psytrance developed from "techno, house, etc" doubt psychedelic rock really had too much to do with it.. but that's just me..
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a3k
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Posted : Nov 19, 2003 14:29
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in my modest point of view, those sounds were the beggining of psychedelic music...sure about that!
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traveller
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Posted : Nov 19, 2003 16:01
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oh i kinda find some traditional asian music really psychedelic and i think it's a little older that pink floyd or beatles or door =)
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droozi
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Posted : Nov 19, 2003 16:02
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Well Pink Flyod for sure is psychedelic rock ... now there was a thread in the forum about what makes trance psychedelic ... which i did not read through so the answers there can be applied to psychedelic rock too i guess. But I do believe that Pink Flyod did have some effect on the likes of Hallucinogen - Listen to On the Run by Pink Flyod, It really does feel like a psy track. But traveller also is right the birth of trance and so psy trance comes from house and techno, but i do feel that psy rock influenced artists in the early stages and caused them to come out with a psy feel to trance tracks. Goa Gill and likes all come from the musical influence of the 60's/70's psy rock movement, so it is phatomable to think that there was an influence, even if it was a subtle one. |
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Panzer
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Posted : Nov 19, 2003 16:15
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On 2003-11-19 13:17, black_dew wrote:
pink floyd, beeatles [in a certain time] and the rest...
some sais that the psytrance evolution seriously connected to the so called "psychedelic rock" age and influenced by these and more artists.
is it true ?
i mean...sure thing these artists used sometimes an electronic sythesizers and machines to generate electronic sounds.
but what so psychedelic in the music itself ???
i think these are just rumors and opinions that developed into "facts".
pink floyd and those are similar to it...as said before - is it psychedelic ?
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Checkout PinkFloyds-UmmaGumma album...Really, psytrance nowadays is largely psychedelic free compared to the weird shit they pulled off in the late 1960s.
I would describe psychedelic as capturing a hallucinogetic experience with music. The visual experience is usually surreal and colorful. Early psychedelic artists achieved this by using loatsa reverb on the guitars, reversing the percussion and by adding loatsa eastern influences such as sitars...
Early goa, for me an anti-techno/trance movement, simply replaced the guitar overdrive with acid synths going mad. Samples from LSD gurus, weird twists, colorful sleeves and pointing to India as Mekka did the rest.
The last track I heard that would truly classify in my book as 'psychedelic' would be Shpongle-MyHeadFeelsLikeAFrisbee.
BTW getting in a trance state by repetition, ,the core of progressive, is hypnotic not hallucinogetic. It has very little to do with psychedelica. It sonical not visual nor colorful. |
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karnaf
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Posted : Nov 19, 2003 17:19
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two words come to my mind when reading this...
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Jeff
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Posted : Nov 19, 2003 17:22
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I couldn't agree more with Panzer. You speak my words. 
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Hippie
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Posted : Nov 19, 2003 18:04
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Pink Floyd ..yeah ...live album Pulse - one of the most amazing albums i ever heard!
i could add The Phish ...i realy love them
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Surrender
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Posted : Nov 19, 2003 18:40
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yes Hippie, not "The Phish", but "Phish" 
also Grateful Dead, their songs sometimes go on and on in a psychedelic mess... Phish has its roots in the Dead, try Sucka Punch also! King Crimson, Deep Purple, i like the Pink Floyd album - Meddle, the last song is more like a track - its 21 or so minutes long... and has these weird weird sounds like dolphins or whales singing... echoes its called if i remember my Floyd right.
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Kairon
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Posted : Nov 19, 2003 19:17
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Inu
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Posted : Nov 20, 2003 01:13
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For sure artists came out of the psy/prog/space rock scenes. For instance Goa Gil was a psy-rocker in the San Francisco group "Family Dog" before coming to India. And the original "western music" played in Goa was guitars and folk songs; from there the hippies discovered reggae, dub, new wave, space, industrial, house, techno. They blended *all* that together in creating Goa trance.
The midrange frequencies of a guitar are similar to those of a TB303 "acid" machine... hippies were quick to pick up on the possibilities of "acid house" and made their own "acid rock" influenced acid lines. Just replace the 10 minutes of guitar with 10 minutes of electronic tweaking... see the connection?
Don't forget space rock/early electronics either... for a real trance classic pick up Tangerine Dream's "Rubycon", an album from `75. Spacy atmospheres and intertwining rhythmic melodies... sounds a little like ambient Electric Universe or TIP.
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Hippie
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Posted : Nov 20, 2003 05:12
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yea "Phish" is correct ...........................aaaaaand .....between many others ............don`t forget The Doors!! 
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ZeRo
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Posted : Nov 20, 2003 05:50
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YEs, surrender. . . the pink floyd cd meddle, last track- echoes is gorgeous psychedelia.
hAs any body here heard the japanese music collective known as acid mothers temple. Their music is completely out of this world psychedelic mayhem influenced by everything from deathmetal to sitar ragas. They use all kinds of feedback devices and theramins, electric guitars and synths for a truly remarkable live set. If you ever come acrosse em check em out. . .
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Vicky
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Posted : Nov 20, 2003 08:05
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yes defi - lotta new rock music has a blend of electronic sounds
but the thread here is whether trance evolved frm rock?
i guess yes, Floyd must be one of the many psychedelic rock bands who have inspired psychedelic music only thing it shifted frm rock to electronic music
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