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dtoxdtox1990

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Posted : May 9, 2016 08:46:59
Hey all you guys and girls!!
So, i need a little help, ive been looking out and doing some research about gear (synths, sequencers, modulars, machinedrums) and i still have some doubts about what to get...
The budget is 2500 dollars...
What would be your main concerns and products you would buy?
My main basic idea was to get a analog synth (looked for Mother 32, and the MS 20, the MS 20 mini, dark energy 2, and dreadbox erebus), plus another synth with a keyboard, something like minilogue, mini brute ( to use it alone and to use it to play the analog synth) plus a drum machine or sample machine, and the audio interface...
The principal genre of music i would be producing with those would be goa trance and psy trance... Can you guys give me some feedback about that??
OzMike
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Posted : May 9, 2016 11:47
Firstly don't buy too much at once. It just gets confusing and daunting.

My tips? Get a good DAW, audio inputs device and 1 good synth. I waited for 3 years to afford a high end Poly (Prophet 12) & I can guarantee it was worth the wait. A nice mono or two in the meant time will be fine.

Here's what I had for the 3 years:

Ableton Live (fully paid).

MS-20 mini keyboard (it's great sounding and also wonderful for learning synthesis).

Arturia Microbrute (great for trance sounds & can interface with MS-20)

Moog Minitaur (best bass synth, still have it).

Drums were D16 software.

Now I run:

Same interface & DAW
3 x Moog Mother-32's
1 x Moog Minitaur
1 X Prophet 12
1 X MFB Tanzbar Lite (only had it for a week but it's he best drum machine ever!)

I just purchased a total of 21u of Eurorack space (9u & 12u cases) which I will slowly fill over the next few years. I'm starting with a modular drum section using the Hexinverter Mutant series.

I no longer make Psy trance or Goa, I've lost my desire & currently do the synth work for an industrial grindcore band which is loads more fun for me. I'm also working on my first EBM/Industrial album... Well it's actually a sound track for a friend's computer game but I'll release it as a free download probably end of year as well.

Good luck.

Always remember to have fun.

Oh and the Minilogue isn't worth it. My mate has one and it's the buggiest synth I've seen for a long time. Save for a good poly. It's worth it.


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dtoxdtox1990

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Posted : May 9, 2016 12:51
hey man!! thanks for aswering me!!

so, the thing about the minilogue is , i thought about spending a bigger part of the money with a good monophonic synth, like the ms20M (not the mini) or even the mother 32 and then, having a smaller synth and more versatile synth for playing both the monophonic synths and to create other elements, as pads, chords ,but after a while i dont know if a spend the bigger part on a monophonic synth or with a good quality polyphonic synth ...
i must say i liked the moog sub 37 , but im not sure if it is really polyphonic, and as my budget is 2,5 k, and i still have to buy the audio input device, the most expensive item i could get from David Smith is Pro -2 ,
my actual idea is pending to a moog sub 37 + some modular stuff, like some prophet or some nord modular, or even some moog 32...
what are your thoughts about this?

as an side observation i must say to you im brazillian, but currently living in the US, so i need to think about what i must do with the opportunity of buying gear here ( in brasil these gear would be probably more expensive or i wouldnt even find them)

Thanks again man!!
OzMike
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Posted : May 9, 2016 14:08
Sub37 is nice but I sold mine after 3 months. Look last year my mate bought one the System 35 from Moog & the smother 32 sounds much more realistic. I've had a Sub Phatty as well & they just don't really have that true Moog sound to them. Moog was built on modular. It's meant to be modular or semi modular.

The DSI Pro 2 is a dream. I'll probably buy one eventually just simply because it intergrates so easily with modular & semi-modular. It can add filter, effect & so much more.

I'd say if you can get a Mother 32 & Pro 2!!

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vipal
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Posted : May 10, 2016 02:05
what about monitors, soundcard, midi keyboard, computer?

anyhow you seem to be focused on spending on soundsources;

omnisphere is worth it, very good for psytrance. for me it can sound very analogish with all the modulation and filter possibilities. its really amazing, very inspiring. and it sounds to my ears better then sylenth, massive or my access Ti. not to mention all the other plastic vst's.

forget abt the cheap roland synths but the tr8 is cool. i like it for my drums.

i have a pro2, use it mostly for basslines, not sure if i would invest so much money again for that synth. certainly not if i were to buy everything with your budget. i would be happy with the minitaur for basslines although its a bit a limited machine. but its nice.

i use cubase, never liked ableton. personal thing. so try before you decide on your daw to find out what fits with you.

good luck, and yes do not buy too many synths at once.

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OzMike
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Posted : May 10, 2016 04:23
Why settle for a digital plastic drum sampler like the TR-8 when for the same price or maybe less you can get a real analogue drum machine such as the Tanzbar Lite or Tanzmaus from MFB? I've got the Tanzbar Lite and it shits all over my TR-8 which I'm selling now.

You can get a perfectly fine audio input device second hand for next to nothing, and the JBL305 Monitors are wonderful for a normal size room. I've had mine for 3 years & see no reason to upgrade, everything I've made on them so far translates very well over to headphones, stereo or PA system.

I definitely think if you want hardware a its worth spending big bucks on quality gear. I can tell you that I was inside the box for 3-4 years and it's super uninspiring.

For $2500US you can get a really great setup out of the box.           Revisiting the past.
dtoxdtox1990

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Posted : May 11, 2016 09:40
hey guys ! thank you very much for the replies...
my current gear is , i have a midi controller (m oxygen 25), a macbook pro, a pair of headphones (audio technica m50) , a headphones amp ( m audio bass traveller) , krk rokit 6 monitors , i think thats about it...
what are your thought about Virus TI vs Prophet stuff for psytrance?
Is it the Virus as easy as the Prophet Pro 2 to link up with modular gear like mother 32 or moog minitaur?
Other thing i would like to ask you guys is about audio interface, are the focus rite, the best buy?

I must say im almost convinced about getting a Virus or a Prophet, but i still have some doubts when it comes to their price... they`re expensive, i could buy different function gear with them, what do you think?
Would they be the main concern? The good quality poly synth?
vipal
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Posted : May 11, 2016 13:11
TI2 is bit expensive for what you get, TI snow second hand is probably best buy, very versatile bread and butter synth. slim phatty is also good option, cool for psybasslines, saves you to buy the minitaur and is also nice mono leadsynth. anyhow the relatively cheap analog mono's are plenty there.

check https://www.gearslutz.com for more details on soundcards. better to check on specific models then just on brands. focusrite is similar to presonus. motu fits well with mac and is a bit of a step up. i prefer rme.

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OzMike
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Posted : May 11, 2016 13:20
I actually just sold my prophet 12 today & have bought a pro 2 instead. It integrates so well with modular & in paraphonic mode it is actually a 4 note poly synth. Leaves some cash as well to invest in a Kilpatrick Phenol which I've always wanted.           Revisiting the past.
vipal
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Posted : May 11, 2016 13:49
lol, you so fast in changing. pity you dont make psy, would be interested to hear some psysounds from the pro2, i am having a hard time making psyleads with that baby, but basslines is like instant coffee.           http://soundcloud.com/vipal
Yidam
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Posted : May 11, 2016 20:50
Hands down pick any of the MS-20 renditions, there is nothing like those dual sallen key filters when it comes to designing old-school psy sounds. Add a Minitaur for bass maybe? Volca FM for pads? Save the rest for a good soundcard, monitors, DAW and midi controller.
OzMike
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Posted : May 13, 2016 02:43
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On 2016-05-11 20:50, Yidam wrote:
Hands down pick any of the MS-20 renditions, there is nothing like those dual sallen key filters when it comes to designing old-school psy sounds. Add a Minitaur for bass maybe? Volca FM for pads? Save the rest for a good soundcard, monitors, DAW and midi controller.




Or you could get a mother-32, a make noise skiff & put together a small module at system including one of the many MS-20 filters available in modular that are spot on.

There are affordable and much nicer components in modular such as oscillators, ADSR, lfo's etc. in modular than the rubbish in the MS-20 reissue. And yes I took apart my MS-20 mini and was absolutely dismayed at the components used.

As for not making Psy, well the Goa scene was actually built on the back of EBM & industrial music as well as psychedelic rock. I also find that for the amount of effort it takes to make a complicated in depth trance track there is no market for such music in Australia.

They all want neelix or Infected mushroom style here & I haven't spent $10000 on gear to make that shit.           Revisiting the past.
Yidam
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Posted : May 14, 2016 16:14
Yeah I can definitely hear the inferior sound quality of the ms-20 mini reissue when compared to any of the eurorack stuff or but it never stopped me from using it more than anything else. It's just way too convenient to have everything right in front of you and the creative quotient also expands when you're playing those keys as plasticky as they are.

It's not so expensive for what it does and you can usually sell it pretty easily too. With the ms-20 mini, x0xb0x and Yamaha TX7 have got a lot of the oldschool goa sounds covered.

OzMike
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Posted : May 17, 2016 10:14
At the end of the day you need to decide what sounds you want, and while you can get them from any synth if you look what was used in the past it makes it easier.

If your are keen king for trance stuff then go for brands like Nord, Roland, Korg MS-20 & the Virus.

If you want more of a techno or funky house edgy for for your Moogs & Prophet 06 or OB-6.

The Pro-2 & Prophet 12 have the very brassy sound that Prophet's were famous for. It's a lot of hard work to get that really deep analogue sound out of them, and that's why even my chats with Filteria who owns he said he find the Pro-2 too much hard work to get Goa/Psy sounds out of it.

I love it because it's easy to dial up some really tasty EBM/industrial sounds, and I don't mind making a funky house track with some brassy leads & pads.

Your other options to go modular but it's damn expensive. I'm spending nearly $3000AUD just starting my 12u on a basic MakeNoise setup, it'll at least be another $6000 by the time I add drums & more esoteric modules such as Synth Tech.


So for straight up trance of any kinds go Roland, Korg MS-20, Virus or Nord and you'll be super happy and dive in easily.

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