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zooter
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Posted : Sep 20, 2003 15:05
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hi ppl,
i know that the question of whether new tracks being downloaded is good or bad is going on for quite some time now & another post on this would be very boring........................
but, my question is, do the people who are against downloading tracks really against piracy????? how many people use original software???? Heck, i haven't even bought the OS of my computer......i'm not ashamed to admit that that's the way things work......nobody gives a damn about the time & effort spent on creating those valuable software without which i would not even be able to post something here....!
people can argue saying that they use pirated software only until they earn money enuf to actually buy them.....but hey, every1 can argue in the same way & say that "I'll download tracks till i get money to buy the cds!".....question (again) is how much is enough money??? For u 10$ (or whatever the cost of a cd) might not be big, but for me, it might! Same way, i might insist on buying everything original (right from WIndows to Cubase etc) and spend $2000, but can u????
my suggestion is let ppl download......but having an original CD is something really good......(i value those small games that i could afford to buy even if they're shit compared to other games....i preserve them & am proud to display it to other people....same goes for the music that i've bought)......and nothing can beat CD quality, trust me, the people who have the money & are into the scene will definitely buy stuff rather than spend time downloading......
closing words : i can't vouch for others, but i for 1 will definitely be downloading stuff till the time i can afford to buy them....but once i can afford them, there'll be no turning back......hey atleast i'm honest......
respect, respect & total respect! forgive me for my sins......!
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kriz
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Posted : Sep 20, 2003 15:49
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ok, I dont really agree with you ..
Say if you want to steal something: Steal from the BIG supermarket or from the small family driven shop around the corner ??? The BIG market ofcourse ..
As with computer software, I bet you use Windows (from Micro$oft), they got so much money that they have no problems surviving, even though a lot of people copy...
Say in the Amiga scene (much much smaller) when sales on software are in a few hundred, they will feel the piracy much stronger (200 sold 1000 copied) you figure ...
In the psytrance scene its the same, its a small scene, and when a lot of people only copy, they can really feel the loss 
Ill mostly wait till I got money, because I know I dont buy everything that I allready have (admit it!!)
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medir
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Posted : Sep 20, 2003 15:49
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...i can t agree about the compare with software...or u like to compare bill with, e.g., bansi ? ...hmm... also the money which is involved plays in a total different stadium.
though a point which i agree is about the time which is needed to download/sort the tracks...i prefer to go to the shop ( real or virtual ), listen and buy the suff i like...with good quality and a nice cover. if i like to listen, it s already "ready to use" ( switch computer on, limited in use (...okay...there s jukebox ) cd's can be played "everywhere" ) and some $ for the artists and labels...
...in the time i ve writtne this reply i could have get at least 3 unrlsd tracks...damn...i must be stupid...
bom bom
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medir
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Posted : Sep 20, 2003 15:52
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...same time...same thoughs...=(-;
bomski
experiment !
make it your motto day and night.
experiment,
and it will lead you to the light.
the apple on the top of the tree
is never too high to achieve,
so take an example from eve...
experiment ! |
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traveller
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Posted : Sep 20, 2003 15:56
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well 20€ is honestly nothing to me.. so i don't have a problem buying cds..
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traveller
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Posted : Sep 20, 2003 16:50
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well actually i do.. cause i don't want to buy shit.. and imho 99% of the trance out there is shit.. @ parties it works.. but for home listening i just need more than boom ts boom ts..
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kriz
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Posted : Sep 20, 2003 17:39
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Mike A
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Posted : Sep 20, 2003 18:04
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On 2003-09-20 15:05, zooter wrote:
but hey, every1 can argue in the same way & say that "I'll download tracks till i get money to buy the cds!"
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Buying cd's won't earn you money. Making music with software will.
I buy cd's, but I steal my software (also use some freewave plugs- they got some good ones there). And I am really planning to buy my software (at least part of it) when I'll make enough money for it (maybe never? ). But you don't make money by listening to music, unfortunately. 
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nobody_3
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Posted : Sep 20, 2003 18:05
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Reno_k
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Posted : Sep 20, 2003 18:58
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I dont agree with the big supermarket example.
Let me ask a question: why pepole dont stael from the supermarkets? cause there r cameras everywhere, security pepole all around and so...
lets say there werent any security stuff of the above , will pepole wont b stealing anyway?
Idefenetly think stealing is wrong but this situation is diffrent in a way.
lets take the psytrance music downloading 4 example.
yea its ileagle 2 do so ,but pepole still do it .why? cause there arent any cameras or any security guys around like in the supermarket. its even better nobody c them. imagine u enter a big supermarket with no cameras or and other security issues, and even better, nobody can c u.. what will happen then? pepole wont steal anyway?
i dont think so.
Its not that all pepole r bad, sure not, but if u'll put an human being in this situation, he'll probably do it.
in the music issue, we all know, what is the meaning of getting some hot stuff ,dont we? now try imagine someone that just enterd the scene and he is crzay about the music. When he'll check his options 2 get music he wont think twice, and its natural. we have 2 admit it. like asking the cat 2 keep an eye on the milk.
4 instant: all this didnt happen before we had the web, right?
Bottem line: I think the some thing is wrong with situation , not with the pepole.
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nobody_3
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Posted : Sep 20, 2003 19:10
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I think indeed there's something wrong with people and their ethics and morale!
It might be that it's because I was brought up in a different time than many of the youngsters today but I was brought up to think that stealing is wrong and that it's much more rewarding for one self to save up the money and then buy what you want instead of taking (stealing) it. Why is it so that so many people (kids) today think music should be free? Maybe they are a bit too spoiled today? And too used to get what they point at?
I blame the parents more than I blame the kids! It seem that many parents could use a education in parenting!
To me it seem that people today only think about themselves and have no respect toward anyone but themselves... wow damn I sound like my grandad now
Anyway I believe it's a combination of the time we live in and how people are brought up (ethics and morale). |
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medir
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Posted : Sep 21, 2003 12:45
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elysium:
...i don t think moral depends much on age, and u think educationing kids is easy ? ...well...i wish u have such children someday...however...
the most big manufacs ( micro$, nokia, sony,... ) are the robbers ! -they produce "quality shit" (...okay...some ppl would say many of todays artists do the same )...i m really not willing to pay for shit...just had to add my thoughts...
bomski
experiment !
make it your motto day and night.
experiment,
and it will lead you to the light.
the apple on the top of the tree
is never too high to achieve,
so take an example from eve...
experiment ! |
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nobody_3
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Posted : Sep 21, 2003 13:07
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But are you willing to steal the "shit"? Now that's an interesting question ! |
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Mike A
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Posted : Sep 21, 2003 19:37
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On 2003-09-21 12:45, medirium wrote:
the most big manufacs ( micro$, nokia, sony,... ) are the robbers ! -they produce "quality shit" (...okay...some ppl would say many of todays artists do the same )...i m really not willing to pay for shit...just had to add my thoughts...
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Ok. Throw away your nokia phone, uninstall windows and give away your new sony cd player.
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traveller
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Posted : Sep 21, 2003 20:07
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