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piracy ... whats the solution?
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AhmedTaburov
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Posted : Apr 22, 2007 15:19
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And one more thing: I bought one third of my CDs after listening to the "illegal" releases.
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sure_smoke_alot
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Posted : Apr 23, 2007 08:08
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sorry exotic, but i agree with Aluxe here.
& yes his point is rite that it's immoral to let the world deprive of 'free music'.
1 thing i wud like to point out (on philosphical terms)
all true artist make thier art out of the joy tey get from expressing their emotins & not for getting money out of it
i m talking on personal experince being a amauter photographer i get more joy wen sumone says that's a really gud photograph rather then wen i get a pay cheack for the same.
the problem with all genres of music is wen it's starts making 'commercial music' which they wud like to sell instead of ppl. listnin to it & praising the art in it. (if u know wot i mean)
prime example :- Infected Mushroom (the las album maybe top notch in production but lacks the soul for which they were famous for)
1 more thing i wud like to point out I personally (like ahmed)have bought 75% of my collection after listnin to the illegal mp3's
the problem with valuing art is, till u dont understand it, it's worthless but wen u do understand it, it's priceless!! |
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exotic
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Posted : Apr 23, 2007 16:27
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@ssa
I know what you're talking about but a basic premise im taking into account for the psytrance industry as a whole is CREATIVITY ---> REWARD ------> INCENTIVE. which can only happen if people stop leeching music off the net but get down to buying. there are enough people i know who are discouraged to make music because they feel its non sustainable job which leads them to take it up as a part time hobby sort of a thing and never realy materializes into something big/major.
screw artists who have sold out thats a total flip psyde an extreme case of guys who are making enuf money to stop creating mediocre music.
free music in its own right is ok .. if ive bought a cd and would like to share it with the people i want to is something understandable , but STEALING someones work doesnt come under the umbrella of FREE music. call it want you want but thats just not ethical.
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mudpeople
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Posted : Apr 23, 2007 20:46
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Its only free, if the ARTIST THEMSELVES have posted it online. Its stealing if someone shares ripped files.
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Aluxe
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Posted : Apr 24, 2007 09:48
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If I found a magic wand that could infinitely reproduce a loaf of bread I bought at a bakery so I could feed the whole world would you say I was stealing from the bakery?
Or what if we lived in a socialist society? would you still think people are stealing when they share their music?
And we talk about ethics and respect for the artists. But lets remember that before file sharing became possible the consumer had to pay for a whole CD or record even though he might only be interested in a few songs, and even if they were interested in the whole CD many people agree that music in general was overpriced. Not a fair deal if you ask me, however did anybody ever point a finger to the artists and tell them they were disrespecting the consumer? Because the labels and artists are not just trying to maintain some minimal amount of profit necessary to bring music to the masses. No, they actually want to extract as much profit as they possibly can. But nobody ever complained since its all just part of the capitalist game right? Oh but now the tables have turned and the consumer can find a way around not having to pay for the music and you think it's unethical and a lack of disrespect to the artist? Perhaps its just that the game has taken a new direction where this time the consumer/public is the one getting the benefits. And by the way how many albums did you once buy and maybe lost? or do you have any old ruined records and tapes you bought that you would like to get on CD? Well have the artists come out to say they want to give us a free dowload of that music which we lost but actually paid for? Yeah so much for the respect theory, It should be obvious that, by these standards, protecting the artists potential to get profit, in general, is not an ethical obligation. Its all still fair play in this capitalist society game which we are all playing.
And the claim that its the lack of incentive that is what is creating bad music today, no offense but is simply ridiculous. Economic incentive has never been what drives a true artist.
Yeah compensating the artist seems fair, but unfortunately for them the music seems to want to be free and to me that feels good because I think its also fair that music can be an equal privilage to both rich and poor people. So that even in a remote village in the jungle with simply the aid of an internet connection the whole village can listen to some of humanities greatest musical creations including psy trance.
Fucking hell yeah
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sure_smoke_alot
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Posted : Apr 24, 2007 11:09
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@aluxe
amen
the problem with valuing art is, till u dont understand it, it's worthless but wen u do understand it, it's priceless!! |
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exotic
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Posted : Apr 24, 2007 15:13
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On 2007-04-24 09:48, Aluxe wrote:
If I found a magic wand that could infinitely reproduce a loaf of bread I bought at a bakery so I could feed the whole world would you say I was stealing from the bakery?
Or what if we lived in a socialist society? would you still think people are stealing when they share their music?
And we talk about ethics and respect for the artists. But lets remember that before file sharing became possible the consumer had to pay for a whole CD or record even though he might only be interested in a few songs, and even if they were interested in the whole CD many people agree that music in general was overpriced. Not a fair deal if you ask me, however did anybody ever point a finger to the artists and tell them they were disrespecting the consumer? Because the labels and artists are not just trying to maintain some minimal amount of profit necessary to bring music to the masses. No, they actually want to extract as much profit as they possibly can. But nobody ever complained since its all just part of the capitalist game right? Oh but now the tables have turned and the consumer can find a way around not having to pay for the music and you think it's unethical and a lack of disrespect to the artist? Perhaps its just that the game has taken a new direction where this time the consumer/public is the one getting the benefits. And by the way how many albums did you once buy and maybe lost? or do you have any old ruined records and tapes you bought that you would like to get on CD? Well have the artists come out to say they want to give us a free dowload of that music which we lost but actually paid for? Yeah so much for the respect theory, It should be obvious that, by these standards, protecting the artists potential to get profit, in general, is not an ethical obligation. Its all still fair play in this capitalist society game which we are all playing.
And the claim that its the lack of incentive that is what is creating bad music today, no offense but is simply ridiculous. Economic incentive has never been what drives a true artist.
Yeah compensating the artist seems fair, but unfortunately for them the music seems to want to be free and to me that feels good because I think its also fair that music can be an equal privilage to both rich and poor people. So that even in a remote village in the jungle with simply the aid of an internet connection the whole village can listen to some of humanities greatest musical creations including psy trance.
Fucking hell yeah
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Call it what you want man and tho you do have some good points , you're still stealing and if you feel these benefits should trickle down to the poorer sections of society who have suffered at the hands of evil capitalists in the past , then so be it. but sooner rather than later when people behind the creativity process realise that they are in a minority and realise what the hell we working for anyway (something tells me we live in a capitalistic society where money drives the economy so i guess there is economic incentive to work, someone's gotto pay the bills , eh? ) will either stop doing what they do best or the tables will reverse again : someone will pull the plug , (i dunno who but logically thinking someone should) we really have ourselves to blame no body else. What goes around comes around rite ? 
Till then enjoy the spoils of your mp3 it just might not last forever. everything levels out in the end anyway. missing plug-in |
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Pt.
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Posted : Apr 24, 2007 15:15
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Quuestion is who is stealing from who. I think it goes both ways.
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Shaman Films Records
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Posted : Apr 25, 2007 01:39
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if 1% of trancers will buy a cd will make a difference..
labels and distributors can barely pay printing costs, artists and distribution..
but when 500 cds are sold at the most then there is a problem it means that out of those thousands of trancers are not supporting the scene..
even if you cant afford a cd buying one cd a year makes a big diference..
Piracy is part of our industry since the beggining of psytrance music, is all up to the people to deside how much they support the scene, the best contribution is not paying a trance party but buying a cd..
people have no problem paying few bills for parties but when it comes to 15.00 dls cd sale they all get very cranky
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Aluxe
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Posted : Apr 25, 2007 01:55
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And I agree with a lot of people here, it doesn't feel good to download psy trance without paying, hey maybe a few tracks here and there is not a big deal, but in general with non comercial music, file sharing doesn't feel good because you know these artists are sometimes having a tough time making a living. But with more comercial music, frankly I don't care and I think lots of people also feel this way.
I suppose its all in the end about being honest from both sides.
Some people can contribute more then others. And if some really poor people download psy trance without paying I have a feeling that most psy trance artists would not point a finger to them and say they are stealing, they might even be happy that their music is reaching poor people around the world.
But there are some of us who can contribute and help these artists by actually paying for what we get.
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exotic
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Posted : Apr 25, 2007 06:45
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Which is why I am saying reduce the price of the cd's , not everyone can afford 15$ + postage for a music cd and see the overall reduction in piracy. half the people steal because they cannot afford . im not so much against the piracy as opposed to the exorbitantly high pricing of music. which means distributors will have to make music more accessible to the masses at decent prices which will ensure that labels and artists get compensated to the maximum when people get down to actually buying the stuff which i dont see happening at the moment unless ofcousre prices and reduced and music made easily availbale.
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Posted : Apr 25, 2007 16:17
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Totally agree.
And one more thing to add: You can download a single track that you liked, without being forced to buy the whole album.
In Brazil, for instance, you can find new stuff in many sites. The problem is: It's just to expensive. Around R$35, R$40 bucks (local).
So, I can go to psyshop, and buy it. Problem: Exchanging rates - US$1=R$2,05 / E=R$2,77 / £1=R$4,07
CDs for us are, at least, double the price. Big problem.
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sam i am
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Posted : Apr 26, 2007 05:27
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there's so much shit music being produced, as if it's any surprise that people don't want to pay for it!!!
if you write top quality music, you will always get some money for it
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papay
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Posted : Apr 26, 2007 10:35
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Blaa Blaa.......but i must say if you would ban all piracy the sales of internet connection would drop a lot,i don t know anybody who will pay 25-50 euros per month for just reading the news on BBC,everybody downloads something music,sofware,movies,porn,codecs,drivers etc the list goes on......so get use to it
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