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piracy ... whats the solution?

exotic
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Posted : Apr 19, 2007 15:03
I was thinking first of all what is the motive behind these groups that exist on the internet, robbing artists of their work and making it available free of cost all over the net ? isnt it to make music available to people who would rather download than pay for music because the prices of cd's are exorbitantly high? or perhaps that it is relatively hard to find in music shops in and around where they live ? if these groups didnt exist wouldnt dependant groups look for other alternatives of precuring their choice of music? which brings us to online shops the only place other than second hand shops where psychedelic trance is available. another group with vested intersts whose only motive is to drain the unsuspecting customer of all his wealth with just a single purchase. damn if you're living in india or timbuktoo , its party time for them. more postage!! i plead ignorance here but im not completely sure of who pockets this amount , the postal department or online shops and in what proportion if any ? but alas there arent too many of us who can check in at a time and check out with all we desire.

So we just curb our intincts make a couple of puchases our credit card balance can handle. and at the end of the day we're not the only ones unhappy. they feed on the apathy of the consumer who has to dish out quite a portion of his fortune on stupid postal charges as a result of the distance between the point of supply and the place of demand beacause he's a die hard collector and wants his own hard copy . They are just intermediaries (middlemen) between the artist and us.

law of demand states that other things remaining the same as price goes down demand rises . So instead why not try and make it available in the market in music shops , moderatlely price the cd's .. create awareness of the available product , and see the sea change in attitude of the end customer. I for one will anyday buy music priced at say 8- 10$ than pay 14 dollars +postage ? There are enough people in india i know who would rather download an album than go to an online shop and have their credit card at risk at such a price becuase of the unavailibilty at a decent price . paying 8$ for good music is a fair price imo and doesnt hurt nobody. This would cut piracy by atleast 50% and less artists/labels would by crying about the fact that psytrance is not a viable career option and because they end up not getting back atleast of what they expected the sales to generate quit the scene or change their style to say drum and bass or cheese trance which would fetch them more bucks. its all a vicious circle which imo needs to break and as long as this trade on the internet continues , veteran psychedelic musicians will shift to another genre which can afford them their rent.

By creating an open market with music moderately priced will do wonders for the psytrance music industry and the internet would be used less for conducting such trades and more for creating promotion and sales.
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mk47
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Posted : Apr 19, 2007 15:56
i liek MYCEL
day_tripper
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Posted : Apr 19, 2007 16:03
nice!           "It's not the fall that kills you; it's the sudden stop at the end." - Douglas Adams
cacofonix
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Posted : Apr 19, 2007 16:12
Unless the online purchase prices drop... piracy will continue. Not everyone can afford it.

And i doubt anything can be done to the illegal websites n forums which offer music free for downloads. Can they???           www.vantaravichitra.com
http://soundcloud.com/cacofonix11
day_tripper
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Posted : Apr 19, 2007 16:20
^^ Nothing at all!
unless 'they' enforce DRM ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Rights_Management )

M$ tried to make a "foolproof" implementation of it in Windows Vista. But sadly, it was cracked within 2 days after it got released by some varsity geek!

Most of em geeks believe that "if it can be played, it can be ripped", and I agree!

So, it's more of an ethical thingy. Enforcement ain't gonna help.
          "It's not the fall that kills you; it's the sudden stop at the end." - Douglas Adams
soulfood
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Posted : Apr 19, 2007 16:24
If I can find it online, I'll buy a hard copy as it seems so much more permanent and I like having a cd collection. But there's so much stuff especially in this scene which has been long since deleted or there was only ever a small number of copies going to be made and the only place where I can get hold of them is through illegal downloads.

So if you ask me the download shops just arent providing the goods.
mk47
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Posted : Apr 19, 2007 17:08
my policy .. if i may call it that .. is that ill only buy something i can imagine myself listening to in two years from the time of purchase .. and that sadly and effectivly rules out 99.999% contemporary psytrance ..
future is digital.. online pick and choose single tracks kinda thing .. and hopefully with a little education everyone will be happy .. or not ......... PsyCZ / MYCEL is always there anyway .. ;D .. long live ripper groups .. half the music made is on pirated ripped software cracks anyway .. but thats another debate .
Heathen

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Posted : Apr 19, 2007 19:31
My thoughts - Music is a big part of my "fun expense" every month. I do not have cable tv (by choice) and really could care less about the latest "must have" item. A lot of my money goes to music. Over $150 USD over the past 30 days has gone to buying CDs. I buy ONLY when I can hear at least a few different tracks to determine if it is something I like. I too enjoy having a hard copy as was previously stated. I can delete albums from my mp3 (NOT an ipod) player, and add them back anytime because I own the "master". Also, I do enjoy the better fidelity of a quality mastered CD played over a high quality stereo than mp3s.

I have no problems purchasing CDs (a digital format mind you) to support those who spend time and effort to produce music that I like. I WISH I could purchase a majority of my music directly from the artist, cutting out the middleman altogether. Unfortunatly that is not usually possible, but in the case of psytrance, I am not really sure why. Usually it is created right there on a computer, so half the battle is already complete....but that is a different discussion for a different time.

A lot of psy I have trouble tracking down at a resonable price (Xenomorph), so I would be willing to download hard to find items.

As far as a way to ebd piracy, it will never happen. Once music went online, the music industry forever changed.
Pavel
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Posted : Apr 19, 2007 21:33
Education and decent prices for Wav files           Everyone in the world is doing something without me
psychotic_neuroscientist
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Posted : Apr 19, 2007 21:40
Quote:

On 2007-04-19 15:03, exotic wrote:
I was thinking first of all what is the motive behind these groups that exist on the internet, robbing artists of their work and making it available free of cost all over the net ? isnt it to make music available to people who would rather download than pay for music because the prices of cd's are exorbitantly high? or perhaps that it is relatively hard to find in music shops in and around where they live ? if these groups didnt exist wouldnt dependant groups look for other alternatives of precuring their choice of music? which brings us to online shops the only place other than second hand shops where psychedelic trance is available. another group with vested intersts whose only motive is to drain the unsuspecting customer of all his wealth with just a single purchase. damn if you're living in india or timbuktoo , its party time for them. more postage!! i plead ignorance here but im not completely sure of who pockets this amount , the postal department or online shops and in what proportion if any ? but alas there arent too many of us who can check in at a time and check out with all we desire.

So we just curb our intincts make a couple of puchases our credit card balance can handle. and at the end of the day we're not the only ones unhappy. they feed on the apathy of the consumer who has to dish out quite a portion of his fortune on stupid postal charges as a result of the distance between the point of supply and the place of demand beacause he's a die hard collector and wants his own hard copy . They are just intermediaries (middlemen) between the artist and us.

law of demand states that other things remaining the same as price goes down demand rises . So instead why not try and make it available in the market in music shops , moderatlely price the cd's .. create awareness of the available product , and see the sea change in attitude of the end customer. I for one will anyday buy music priced at say 8- 10$ than pay 14 dollars +postage ? There are enough people in india i know who would rather download an album than go to an online shop and have their credit card at risk at such a price becuase of the unavailibilty at a decent price . paying 8$ for good music is a fair price imo and doesnt hurt nobody. This would cut piracy by atleast 50% and less artists/labels would by crying about the fact that psytrance is not a viable career option and because they end up not getting back atleast of what they expected the sales to generate quit the scene or change their style to say drum and bass or cheese trance which would fetch them more bucks. its all a vicious circle which imo needs to break and as long as this trade on the internet continues , veteran psychedelic musicians will shift to another genre which can afford them their rent.

By creating an open market with music moderately priced will do wonders for the psytrance music industry and the internet would be used less for conducting such trades and more for creating promotion and sales.




agreed bro....!           No... no more scientists, no more laboratories, no more experiments, I thought you`d be able to understand that. No more!
Meta-Morphosis
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Posted : Apr 19, 2007 22:16
Very well said exotic, hmm the purple cockroach affect is still strong on you and what a time you brought this up after we spoke on MSN today

I totally agree with the cost factor with releases, today music on online shops is expensive then sony music.
           “What we need is the development of the Inner Spiritual man, the unique individual, whose treasure is hidden in the symbols of our mythological tradition and in man’s unconscious psych.” - CJ Jung
mudpeople
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Posted : Apr 20, 2007 00:50
And where do you think most of that money goes? The shop and the distributor. And we all know what distributors can do, when they're crooks.

TO me, I will buy releases so long as the quality of downloads is lower than CD. It takes much less time and effort, not to mention bandwidth, to buy a cd on psyshop, than it does to download a .wav version of it.

But, when I go to local record stores, I find cds that cost no less than $18 USD. At used stores, they go for $10+ USD. Its not just psytrance that is charging too much.

How much does the actual artist(s) see themselves? Not much, probably along the lines of 20% if that. So $2 out of every $10 spent on music actually goes to the artist.

What would be nice, is to see all the artists with websites start selling their own work, with no one in between. I know there are tons of artists out there with their own sites, and tons more with Myspace. That way we can all feel good about giving the artist themselves exactly what they feel their work is worth. No more ZMA-type robberies, no more middle men to pay.           .
Magox
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Posted : Apr 20, 2007 01:04
excuse for me my ignorance about the distribution process....
how about myspace making some sort of deal to allow it to be a "host" for downloading music from artists that want to sell their music through myspace. The only middle man would be Myspace or some other web site that just serves as a host. For all the people that don't care about getting the physical cd (and there's a lot of them)and just want to have easy access and want to pay less for the music. This way the artist can market his own music the way he would like to through the "host" and there would be no middle man and the enduser would get a good product for a cheaper cost. Maybe through the Myspace they could even arrange shipping of the physical cd as well.

Im sure this idea has many holes in it. But it is just an idea....

btw...it doesnt have to be myspace. Just an online host for musicians that want to market and sell their product.

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Posted : Apr 20, 2007 01:12
the solution? ACCEPT IT!

its a fact,you can complain all you want it's not gonna resolve anything,you can be creative and transform fiting in this new way of sharing or you can sit and cry.
mudpeople
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Posted : Apr 20, 2007 01:21
complaining won't change the fact that downloading illegally is stealing, from the artist, without their permission. Fighting won't change the fact that the sound quality of downloaded music is totally inferior. And trust me, you can tell when an mp3 is played at a party. If you care, that is, about sound quality... Or even notice...

It never fails to amaze me that people are so militantly defending what they view to be their 'right' to steal music.

Now, Im no Nazi, I don't care what you do on your computer on your own time. I just know that, if I had a bottle of nice scotch, and I passed it to someone else, and then they passed it to everyone at the party without asking me, I sure would be pissed!           .
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