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piracy ... whats the solution?
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Aluxe
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Posted : Apr 20, 2007 03:25
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^^Well but it’s not the same. You can share your MP3 with an unlimited number of people and you still get to keep your own MP3 intact, it's not like whiskey where your bottles starts to get empty as you share it. MP3s are not a physical thing, and once you have one copy you can make copies for every person in the whole world without any cost. Of course some artists wish they could charge every single person for those copies, but you can argue that they don't belong to them anymore since they are copies of the copy he sold. So once he sold it it's over baby, and the person who bought that copy can share it with the whole world if he wants. Yeah nobody has to necessarely agree to the view dictated in legal books and copyright laws.
And how anal can you get, like for example do you not even make copies of some songs from the CD you bought for your family, a friend or even your girlfriend? I mean when you girlfriend asks you for an MP3 that you have, do you just go and buy it again so you don't steal? Well if you think it's ok to share with 1 person then why is it wrong to share with the whole world?
Plus not to long ago it was ok to make tapes out of your CD’s, and NOBODY ever thought that was stealing. So how come you know feel you can judge everyone that is file sharing when its a concept that goes against to how things used to be with making copies of tapes. I mean all of a sudden you change the concept and rules and expect everybody to just go with it as if its all understood by default? One day it's ok to share your music by making tapes, the next day you wake up and it's called "stealing"? Like get your story straight before you expect everyone to march to your what you are saying.
Frankly I am just about giving up with this not sharing thing, I feel limited and like I am not taking advantage of something that apparently we are going to have to accept anyways because everybody seems to be doing it. And even those who complain do it to some extent, hey even if its sharing it with your family. But come on, only in the US there are about 50 million people sharing music through the net. Like hello, are you going to claim all these guys are criminals? Good luck sticking to your premise.
And everybody always concentrates on the negative aspects, yeah they talk about the poor artists that can not make a living. But what about all the benefits? You know if the good of ALL is what is important then consider that through file sharing suddenly the whole world can potentially have access to all the music they ever wanted and for FREE. Oh but the artists want the hungry children in Somalia not only to pay for their food but also for legal CD's? I guess they think that whomever does not have money for music does not deserve it. Hey I personally feel that everyone should have access to unlimited music for fucking FREE (if they can, even if its pirated cd's to play in their community boom box in their village in africa)
I guess its true, the best things in life are after all free (yeah I knew music was one of them!!!)
Or should we really be that concerned about the artists and record labels who are bitching about this when they actually represent a minority compared to the amount of people that benefit from free music sharing? And who are we kidding, good music is not going to disappear if we keep on sharing it, it might even get better since the intention of making music for business wont be as appealing. Music will have to be done because its one of the greatest things of life.
But think about it, now suddenly the whole world has the potential of having an immense amount of music for free, it's simply AMAZING, like a dream come true. And you want to destroy that because you think it's immoral? Hey maybe it's more immoral to deprive the world of such a great opportunity that benefits the greater majority.
Hey if you really want to make business then make concerts. That way you will actually be working making music and not trying to get a dollar out of every copy people make with the click of a mouse.
Anyways, I think it's something we are going to have to accept, so we might as well start enjoying the benefits.
Just my thoughts.
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Basilisk
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Posted : Apr 20, 2007 06:09
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On 2007-04-20 01:04, Magox wrote:
how about myspace making some sort of deal to allow it to be a "host" for downloading music from artists that want to sell their music through myspace. The only middle man would be Myspace or some other web site that just serves as a host.
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Haha... interesting. I just went off about an idea much like this over on Psynews.
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exotic
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Posted : Apr 20, 2007 06:52
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@Aluxe
With that kind of argument we are really going nowhere. You are defending file sharing on the grounds that everyone can have access to free music but have you ever thought why the general standard of psychedelic music has shown a downward trend over the years ? if we tread your line of argument all we'll ever have is these groups releasing killargh music for free via the internet which is no more than substandard boom killargh shit .. and why is it that ? because they're catering to a segment to psychedelic trance music audiences who
A) Either are happy downloading that crap beacause it's for free
B) Have no other place to procure their music other than the net which spawns this networking and creation of substandard music
Sadly all good things come at a price , and its the same with music. If this pirate mafia continues to exist for the purpose of sharing music for free ,it will directly affect the artists ability to create better music coz his thinking will be " What the hell am i working for anyway ? free music ? why not release substandard crap since i aint gonna get any at the end of the day" .. which results in the artist changing his style to some thing else where he can at guarantee his target audience will be buying what he produces .. and we really dont want that do we now ? renumeration for an artist is the same as any others .. would you as an artist be happy if music you created gets leeched off on the net ? or rather have it sell at a fair price which can buy you even better equipment , softwares etc to create something better ? dont only limit your thinking from a consumer point of view..
So either make hard copies available at a cheaper price in music stores or something on the lines of what magox said allow sites like myspace to host their music and allow people to download at a fair price which may end this free music concept once and for all.
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faxinadu
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Posted : Apr 20, 2007 15:07
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Melange
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Posted : Apr 20, 2007 15:18
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Not to mention all those libraries everywhere that hand out information for free 
The way I see it, logics has to be applied in a generic fashion in order to work. That is, you can't have copyright(c) without having copywrong(c). |
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mudpeople
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Posted : Apr 20, 2007 19:24
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To me, its not a question of moral ground, its a question of respect! Respect for the hard work the artist(s) put into their music.
If they want you to have their music for free, then, well, I guess they THE ARTIST would give it out, then, wouldn't they? There's tons of free tracks, given out by the artists out there, and I don't just mean here in the 'new tracks' section.
Selling mp3s that you stole, thats just wrong.
And, FYI Aluxe: Ive made copies of most of my music, but not for anyone else. Those are what I use when I play out, so the originals don't get too damaged to play. Most djs do this. Ive never once given anyone any copies of any cds or tracks that weren't already free releases. I admit to downloading in the past, but not anymore. How can one be a dj with nothing but downloads? That strikes me as pretty similar to selling ripped mp3s. If someone I know wants to hear some music that I have, I have plenty of mixes recorded to .mp3. Even that is arguably sharing...
To me the bottom line is respect for the artist by NOT taking their stuff WITHOUT THEIR PERMISSION. Sure the mp3 will always be an mp3. But that doesn't change the fact that it was done without permission. That's what I meant with the bottle analogy. If someone took anything of mine without my permission, I would feel disrespected! But just ask, and I'll be happy to share!
Here's an idea: Have any of you downloaders actually tried to contact the artists? Maybe they would be happy to give you free music! I know I would!
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slyman604
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Posted : Apr 20, 2007 23:23
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On 2007-04-20 01:12, Saiko Dreamer wrote:
the solution? ACCEPT IT!
its a fact,you can complain all you want it's not gonna resolve anything,you can be creative and transform fiting in this new way of sharing or you can sit and cry.
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yea whats even the point at this point. this is the way things are. i got into psy in 1998 and i dont think i have ever met someone who doesnt download music for free.
some people buy tons of albums, some people buy what they like and some dont buy anything.
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Nurbs
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Posted : Apr 20, 2007 23:26
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mudpeople
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Posted : Apr 20, 2007 23:35
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Thats the solution!
I download for free, sure, but never illegally. Not in years. Too many viruses anyway. Bad sound quality. No thanks.
Have fun with your downloading. Enjoy all the hassle involved.
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Nurbs
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Posted : Apr 20, 2007 23:52
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To be honest, i dont believe that this illegal downloading gonna last for ever, at least in todays scale. There are laws but nobody cares. Governments and companies are loosing lots of money and i m sure that in the near future they gonna do something.
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slyman604
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Posted : Apr 21, 2007 00:38
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75% plus of tracks released easily have stolen software used to make them. go to the prodution forum, everyone uses waves plugins, 1000 bucks easy for it.
most flyers are probly made using a stolen version of photoshop. alot of visuals are made with stolen video software.
the only thing thats not pirated in this scene are parties. really, who cares? |
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mk47
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Posted : Apr 21, 2007 06:53
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fuck : )
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Posted : Apr 22, 2007 01:27
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buying records. |
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Icaro
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Posted : Apr 22, 2007 11:27
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I'm one of those wierd people who likes to have really colorfull artwork to look at, and if there are liner notes (less content on a lot of psy releases unfortunately) with BPM, song info, "artists would like to thank the monkees that fly out their butts", etc. etc., then I'm happy....... however, as some have mentioned..... it can be impossible to find some things sometimes.
I like to support artists, by buying the music I like......... but one thing that makes me really not care about downloading, is that often times artists see little to no money from album sales. Seems like I've seen that complaint happening even more than usual recently. Or maybe people are more vocal now..... don't know.
Anyways, I think more attention should be given to the content that comes with the cds, to make buying a cd worth more than buying an online copy of an album (which is honestly a tacky idea for me, but I don't think all of you have to feel that way...... I don't think it's an answer to piracy)
I think the question of quality comes into play with downloading also, especially with non-psy music. There just aren't that many contemporary artists that I want more than one song from.
Still, if I like the music, I will buy the music. |
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AhmedTaburov
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Posted : Apr 22, 2007 11:30
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We don't need a solution!
I'm not saying piracy/illegal downloads is good but...
These illegal releases are the proper way (for me at list) to "DEMO/TEST" the albums/singles & compilations!
And another thing - before I buy a CD from PsyShop (nothing personal) I make sure I got a "COPY" of it on my USB drive (if I don't buy I delete it!) in case I won't get it for some reason.
I think it's the best promotion for an album/compilation. I don't go to release parties and the 40 seconds demo is not enough for me (and let's admit it - most of the albums filled with fillers)!
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