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deejayridoo
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Posted : Feb 12, 2005 21:56
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seduction of money makes people forget their original motivation. the love for the music and psychedelic experiences mutates to a new market with all the ego shit......
everything then turns into "consumption style", like: "are we going to disneyland or to the psytrance party tonight"?
people with this mentality go to a party and want to be entertained. they bring a lot of impatience with them and allways want immediate effect, like: "come on... we want beats... bambambam please..."
then those people create a new fashion around all this and call themselves "goa" or "psychonaut" or "psytrancer".
and then the fetish-character of "culture industry" is perfect...
thatīs why 80% of the people donīt fit into the culture i outlined, although they pretend to be "psychedelic".
in other words, "psychedelic" has become a sort of trademark, an empty word which can be filled with everything in an arbitrary way.
and, as there are much more followers than culturally interested people, the majority brings their own connotations, which are something like "thatīs a cool new style of music, man! ...yeah, this is trendy".
many among this type of psytrancers would get interested into the culture if they had people around telling them what itīs about. but as the newbies are much more in number, the initiation can not take place anymore...
it gets shallow and fetish-like... |
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Cane
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Posted : Feb 13, 2005 00:11
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So what's the culture? Can i read a book? something. coz Mckeena i find pretty dumb and wasted by lsd so hes not my culture of psychedelic. Offer me some book or site to learn about trance culture. Is it have something to do with trance invented my tibetians ? |
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Aldus B
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Posted : Feb 15, 2005 08:42
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ppl in trance afraid of real life that why most of them not dealing with daily life go to party inside some dark forest and take drugs dancing to some defective sounds calling it greatest uncommercial music. only few got real life but really enjoy this kind of music.
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I don't think psy people are afraid of real life. People who are afraid of real life are afraid of people like us because they can never shake that feeling that freaks like us know something that they cannot understand. When you are out there in the woods, or on the beach, dancing to the music that means more to you than all the garbage in the so-called real world, you're tearing down the blinders and breaking down the borders and learning more about yourself and others. And whether it's drug induced or bpm induced or both it doesn't matter.
I guess I just have a lot of faith in the psy trance scene still. I see a lot of people talking about phonies that go to parties but you can't tell what a person is thinking just by looking at them. And just think, what did you look like at your first party? You don't come to psy custom made for it. It changes you. |
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furthur
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Posted : Feb 15, 2005 09:00
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On 2005-02-12 08:53, Cane wrote:
ppl in trance afraid of real life that why most of them not dealing with daily life go to party inside some dark forest and take drugs dancing to some defective sounds calling it greatest uncommercial music. |
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These so-called drugs you talk about (the psychedelic ones) are to be taken only if you can face yourself and your life. They do the esact opposite of making you escape. If you are talking of dropping out, ie. escaping the mindless routine of everyday life, then yes, that is exactly what psychedelcis are meant for, to show you that there is more to reality than you think.
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furthur
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Posted : Feb 15, 2005 09:01
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On 2005-02-13 00:11, Cane wrote:
coz Mckeena i find pretty dumb and wasted by lsd so hes not my culture of psychedelic. |
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You can say that you don't like McKenna or you don't agree with his views, but saying that he was dumb or wasted, well... I won't even respond to that. For your information, McKenna mostly stayed away from acid and focused more on the natural tryptamines like psilocybin, DMT and the like.
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Psycosmo
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Posted : Feb 15, 2005 09:03
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Well I do believe that trance is something deeply related to mysticism and spirituality...
But I would not say there is a single "trance philosophy"
It is obvious that not everyone on this board is on the same page with respect to what trance means to them and that is beautiful...
In spite of the diversity of opinion, I do think there are certain ethics or values or behavior standards or something along those lines that we have. I would say they include
1) Avoidance of strong displays of emotion.
2) Dislike of the U.S. government
3) A certain reservedness about open, public displays of sexuality (especially compared with other dance cultures)
4) A preference for dealing indirectly with social conflict (ie talking shit behind the persons back but never telling to the person that they have a problem with them)
what do you folken think about that? Do you think my perception that these are tendencies that most psytrance people share is accurate?
As to the mysticism thing...
obviously it is not a big issue for a lot of people here...
but I urge those of you who see nothing mystical in the music to think about music around the world and ask youself how often one sees a driving, constant drums in a non-sacred context? Did it ever occur to any of you that the reason for that might be that repetitive drums and other sounds might alter the mind in some way so as to make it more open to certain kinds of input or experience?
Also, with regard to drugs, ask yourself how many cultures you know of that use psychedelics do not use them in a somewhat sacralized context. Usually there are rituals, prayers and taboos surrounding the ingestion of hallucinogenic substances, and MAYBE THERE IS A GOOD REASON FOR THAT!!!!
So whataver, I cant change anybodies mind and make mystics out of secularists, but I can ask you to think about what i pointed out and ask yourself if maybe drums and drugs have been associated with spirituality through the ages with good reason.
have a thoughtful day! |
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deejayridoo
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Posted : Feb 15, 2005 12:36
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On 2005-02-15 09:03, Psycosmo wrote:
1) Avoidance of strong displays of emotion.
2) Dislike of the U.S. government
3) A certain reservedness about open, public displays of sexuality (especially compared with other dance cultures)
4) A preference for dealing indirectly with social conflict (ie talking shit behind the persons back but never telling to the person that they have a problem with them)
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1)  what do you mean by that? are you talking about the tendency of people not bringing the daily grind to the party (by concentrating on positive things only)
otherwise i think that itīs the contrary - goa offers you the setting where you can let go and be crazy, fooling around and donīt have to play a role in order to supress your emotions...
on the other hand i also like to have normal conversations at goaīs (like speaking about politics, work etc.)
2) ok 
3) what about "fuck for forest" at the voov last year? 
i think that "public displays of sexuality" are accepted unlike aggressive sexism or violence in general. on the other hand, the realm of mystical experiences is far away from materialism like sexuality - you donīt even get to think about it when on a trip through your innerverse
4) why not? but i think you pointed out the negative aspect of this subtle behavior (in japan and other fareast countries this is the norm whereas in western societies the "moral majority" prefers to speak directly and openly...)
thereīs no better or worse, but the aspect you speak about is definitely negative
agree on the rest  |
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Psycosmo
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Posted : Feb 16, 2005 14:19
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1) Yeah I see what you mean too... I wasnt trying to say that people dont bug out... people jumping up and down for joy and dancing around with huge grins definately counts as a stong display of emotion. But nevertheless I really feel that the range of emotions that can be displayed without disrupting other peoples party experience is somewhat limited. For example the Goth culture focuses heavily on emotions of sadness and meloncholy, which I dont feel are so acceptable in the trance scene. In the Goth scene I guess its the opposite... it probably isnt acceptable to jump up and down for joy because everyone wants to act so depressed.
So I guess what I really meant with #1 is that the range of emotions that can be expressed is kinda limited. I would like to expand to explore all emotions.
3) I dunno, I from USA and I dont get out of my area very much so I dunno what happen at voov. In NYC you dont see people dancing with eachother for more than a few seconds and rarely see people making out. Personally I really like that... I dont think a trance party is an approriate place for too much sexualit... its more of a place to connect with people I would like to be sexual with at someplace other than a trance party. I suppose thats the American Puritanism in me talking  ...
4) Your right, this tendency might reflect the Asian influences on trance culture... the open display of negative emotion is a very western tendency. Personally, I really perfer people to tell me what's up if they are pissed about something I am doing... then I can try to change it or find some solution that is acceptable to both me and the person who is mad at me. Although I love East Asian cultures, this is not my favorite thing about them... I feel it lets simple, easily solved problems fester into huge confrontations once the dam bursts and all the things that were not stated come gushing out.
thanks for the response deejayridoo
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