| Author
|
Parties in Copenhagen
|
The Green Channel
IsraTrance Junior Member
Started Topics :
41
Posts :
1025
Posted : Sep 22, 2004 14:04
|
Quote:
|
On 2004-09-22 10:09, scobbah wrote:
I sort of agree with everyone who has posted in this thread so far. Everytime I've been on visit in Copenhagen for a party, I've seen people start fighting at parties, and guess what!? - It seems like it's the coke-anabola-heads all the times. And I can't really mention anywhere in the world I've been to parties where there's a such high amount of those stereotypes.
A solution for you during the winters is perahps go to some of the swedish parties, since both the "uncontrolled" use of drugs are less noticeable compared to Copenhagen, and the drug users are using a completely different arsenal. I'm not promoting drugs in any way, but there are just some drugs that are more "connected" to what it all meant to be from the beginning. You know, Timothy Leary, mind expansion and all that ain't related to cokeheads of any kind in my humble opinon 
How's the scene in Århus? Maybe it's better there, at least they bring a lot of good artists to the scene
I don't really have a solution for the Copenhagen-syndrome, but one thing that pops up in my head is that the scene needs more "education". And I think we can achieve this by turning the parties AND the culture more political again - yes I'm with politics and I do think the culture are strongly connected with politics. "To people that are able to think and feel for themselves, feel free for themselves" as Jimi Hendrix stated, just makes the conclusion clear: There's no concerns about exploring your concsiousness any longer, there's no concerns about taking political stands for freedom. Most people at parties will respond to the question "Do you promote freedom?" in some sort of PLURish way, but after they've finito at the party and the drugs have completed their task, they just go down to the McDonald's and then return to their working 8 to 5 week.
There's no real concern any longer about the world, about other people, about freedom of any kind. People there are generally only in it for the drugs, and I feel some sort of the same in Sweden sometimes, even though the use of drugs are significantly lower compared to the use of drugs in Copenhagen.
Somebody perhaps catchs my point, I hope. I think that if people were more into it for the whole "thing" again, we would in the long run loose those cokeheads who's just found a "freezone" to party in a ****** way without people taking notice.
More politics!!!. 
Now feel free to flame me.
|
|
I think you are right, i just want to replace the word politics in your comment with the word spirituality.
  "Love is a way of life"
(Gaia, Love, Nature, Shamanism (.2A.y.0a.hu.1a.sc.2a.), Terence McKenna) |
|
|
|
Krell
IsraTrance Junior Member
Started Topics :
33
Posts :
1114
Posted : Sep 22, 2004 14:20
|
In reply to The Green Channel
"Your idea is actually great, and the funny thing is it reminds me of one my friend’s ideas, but I’ll ask you the same question I asked him; how do you organize enough people? Because I know several other people who tried something like this (psy-fi club), and as far as I know I did not go all that well.
Still, with that said, I think your idea is one of the only real alternatives to the Copenhagen candy raves, but how do we start such an organization??? "
Well, its all about ALOT of networking... A friend and I are going to do it in my area - We are going to build it up from a very small event, which we will expand on..
I think, in order to create a battle plan, youd need an idea of what kind of event you want... That is, how many people.
Once you have that calculated, you will have an idea of what kind of venue you will need.
About getting people on the list, well - Patience, Networking and dedication is what that takes.
I think, in the first place you tell people "we are creating an invite list for private parties, if you have any COOL friends who are blablablablabla, then please get them to join us".
Once you have enough people on the list, you can start planning.
I would NOT want to go out and book a large venue - Id suggest keeping it really small, at the most an outdoor underground event - To see if people really show up, or if the list needs to get bigger in order to sustain larger budgets.
Surely, this isnt easy - but once you have it established, you might just get that atmosphere you want in an event.
Regards
Krell
|
|
|
|
Mikkel
Started Topics :
0
Posts :
33
Posted : Sep 22, 2004 14:46
|
I couldn't agree more. Though I am myself under 25, I don't see myself as being one of the mentioned candyravers. 
I got "Conzzept´03" with artist like Silicon Sound and Echotek all fucked up because of a big-muscled idiot. He totally ruined the party for me - and for plenty others just by the way he behaved.
The scene has gone in what I would call "pop" and that has ruined it. Now you have people attending the parties that aren't there for the music, but maybe for the crowd or just to socialize. That isn't really that bad. But when people come to fight, show off or only to take drugs it's all wrong.
I just wish to see more people smiling in the future! Those cocaine-anabolic-types always come with a stiff face on. Just a slight alter in attitudes would help a lot, thanks. |
|
|
|
The Green Channel
IsraTrance Junior Member
Started Topics :
41
Posts :
1025
Posted : Sep 22, 2004 15:12
|
I'm under 25 myself; I don't think age necessarily has something to do with the problem. Its peoples general attitude, and commonly younger people have a more brainless approach (a pill consuming mentality), but actually the "coca land people" are usually older which means that age limitation is not a viable solution.
As people already mentioned if a party is completely public then you can be absolutely sure that their will be a high density of unpleasant people.
I think Krell has a great idea. Contact me if you throw such an event.(and I’ll help you in anyway possible)
"Love is a way of life"
(Gaia, Love, Nature, Shamanism (.2A.y.0a.hu.1a.sc.2a.), Terence McKenna) |
|
|
|
Troll@CrackWhoreModels
IsraTrance Analyst Member
Started Topics :
558
Posts :
2135
Posted : Sep 22, 2004 15:52
|
"How's the scene in Århus? Maybe it's better there, at least they bring a lot of good artists to the scene "
as far as i know and have the seen the scene is very much underground and very cool people overthere...and yes they bring very good music to our scene...but sad that there arnt more parties in cph area with that sort of music
i just hope that the scene gets better in time...now that bryggen is going the same way as bastionen and halvandet has become the new amar bio :S
btw i'm 19 now that people are talking age hehehehhehe 
www.myspace.com/trollatcrackwhoremodels
www.myspace.com/crackwhoremodels
www.myspace.com/cwmdeco |
|
|
|
Krell
IsraTrance Junior Member
Started Topics :
33
Posts :
1114
Posted : Sep 22, 2004 17:49
|
To Ravingloon
"as far as i know and have the seen the scene is very much underground and very cool people overthere...and yes they bring very good music to our scene...but sad that there arnt more parties in cph area with that sort of music"
Well, take it from a person who has lived there and participated in most organizers parties.
Aarhus is just copenhagen on a smaller scale.
You will also run into the muscle maniacs here, as well as etarded kiddies with glowlights. THEY ARE EVERYWHERE...
Copenhagen is worse though, but I think that has more to do with the size of the city... bigger parties tend to draw in more of these characters.
Only parties which are not that infected with these things are maybe the stuff moesgaardmen do at the beach... but then again, thats always the same very psychedelic trance - So for progressive trance or just ordinary full on, theres not really any choice.
Still, you would love the moesgaard parties, since you love real psychedelic music (you should come over here next summer, and we can go there:-)
Regards
Krell |
|
|
|
psypox
Psypox / Bufo
Started Topics :
53
Posts :
768
Posted : Sep 22, 2004 17:51
|
Quote:
|
On 2004-09-22 15:52, RavingLoon wrote:
"How's the scene in Århus? Maybe it's better there, at least they bring a lot of good artists to the scene "
as far as i know and have the seen the scene is very much underground and very cool people overthere...and yes they bring very good music to our scene...but sad that there arnt more parties in cph area with that sort of music
btw i'm 19 now that people are talking age hehehehhehe
|
|
Yeah.. i live in Århus.. and mann great partys here..
i was to a party after camaro's wedding a moesgaard aranged by lille koalabjørn, WHAT a GREAT atmosphear... wow.. that was PURE plur! )))
and 1000m down the beach technoms had a open air party, and of you know the technoms people you realy know plur! haha
Peace!
btw. im 21 years of age!
www.myspace.com/psypox |
|
|
|
Troll@CrackWhoreModels
IsraTrance Analyst Member
Started Topics :
558
Posts :
2135
Posted : Sep 22, 2004 17:54
|
|
psypox
Psypox / Bufo
Started Topics :
53
Posts :
768
Posted : Sep 22, 2004 17:56
|
Quote:
|
On 2004-09-22 17:49, Krell wrote:
To Ravingloon
"as far as i know and have the seen the scene is very much underground and very cool people overthere...and yes they bring very good music to our scene...but sad that there arnt more parties in cph area with that sort of music"
Well, take it from a person who has lived there and participated in most organizers parties.
Aarhus is just copenhagen on a smaller scale.
You will also run into the muscle maniacs here, as well as etarded kiddies with glowlights. THEY ARE EVERYWHERE...
Copenhagen is worse though, but I think that has more to do with the size of the city... bigger parties tend to draw in more of these characters.
Only parties which are not that infected with these things are maybe the stuff moesgaardmen do at the beach... but then again, thats always the same very psychedelic trance - So for progressive trance or just ordinary full on, theres not really any choice.
Still, you would love the moesgaard parties, since you love real psychedelic music (you should come over here next summer, and we can go there:-)
Regards
Krell
|
|
ME TO i love moesgaard
plur mate!
www.myspace.com/psypox |
|
|
|
psypox
Psypox / Bufo
Started Topics :
53
Posts :
768
Posted : Sep 22, 2004 18:01
|
Quote:
|
On 2004-09-22 17:54, RavingLoon wrote:
yeah krell is was the mosegaards & parvati style parties i ment and for sure i will come there when they have parties agian
|
|
well not all moesgaard partys are full-on, me a koalabjorn are progressive and minimal partys..
www.myspace.com/psypox |
|
|
|
kenny
Started Topics :
4
Posts :
116
Posted : Sep 23, 2004 18:03
|
This is kinda a greyzone to me.. kinda. I attend the parties for one reason, and one reason only.. the music! I have loved electronic music as far back as i can remember and my eyes was opened for the psychedelic trance around '99 when i heard Astral Projection for the first time.. Since then goatrance and later on psytrance has been my only musical interest. I haven't been in the musical scene that long, I didn't attend my first party untill early 2002 since i had no friends and no contacts in the environment.. So I started rather late.
I pretty much agree with the points of views that have been presented in this thread, but I can see it from more than one angle. The two stereotypes discussed are very often seen at danish parties, and have become a part of the community and makes it the size it is today, even though they don't have the same attitude as the oldschoolers that have been around since it all started, and these stereotypes have no idea of how it has been earlier on and dont have any guidelines the have to adapt to.. they just act the way they want to, together with their friends. I know persons who fall into both stereotypes, even know the guy that yelled at pr0fane at the Audiobahn festival, not very well though (he actually went to VooV 2004 as well). These people have no clue of how to act, they dont share the same state of counciousness and therefor act the way they want. And btw. munching pills is something I do when I'm bored at a party, usually if the music stinks and i have nothing else to do. If your to affected by drugs you don't really hear whats beeing played and miss a lot of the music.. even though you stand with a feeling at the end that it was great music, you just can't remember any of it.. Thats my own personal oppinion.
But you can't make these people dissapear, since they are a big part of the community, especially the danish.. and without them the scene wouldn't be as big and we wouldn't have this many parties and large names playing here, but not everybody wants this, but without them it would be even harder to relate to the musical scene. I must say I live and breathe for this music, listen to it, go to parties, attend festivals, buy albums to support my fav. artists and try to know as much music as possible.. It takes some time and energy to know the scene, and I feel I know only a small part even with the time i have put into it.
A lot of people just love the music, but they dont really care that much about the names of the artists, their friends will tell them whether its a good artist, and if the party will be any good.. A lot of people simply don't care that much.
The "solution" would be to make more private parties and only invite the people you really want to attend. These parties would be way smaller and probably couldn't finance the really big artists, but these usually aren't even the ones making the best music! I agree that this would be the best way.
Kinda messy post, and spelling mistakes are for free, so are any bad phrases.. and I'm sorry for that!
Well.. just wanted to add my word vomit to the thread, let's hope for a better community..
Peace..
Kenny aka. kiwi |
|
|
|
The Green Channel
IsraTrance Junior Member
Started Topics :
41
Posts :
1025
Posted : Sep 23, 2004 18:47
|
Quote:
|
On 2004-09-23 18:03, kenny wrote:
This is kinda a greyzone to me.. kinda. I attend the parties for one reason, and one reason only.. the music! I have loved electronic music as far back as i can remember and my eyes was opened for the psychedelic trance around '99 when i heard Astral Projection for the first time.. Since then goatrance and later on psytrance has been my only musical interest. I haven't been in the musical scene that long, I didn't attend my first party untill early 2002 since i had no friends and no contacts in the environment.. So I started rather late.
I pretty much agree with the points of views that have been presented in this thread, but I can see it from more than one angle. The two stereotypes discussed are very often seen at danish parties, and have become a part of the community and makes it the size it is today, even though they don't have the same attitude as the oldschoolers that have been around since it all started, and these stereotypes have no idea of how it has been earlier on and dont have any guidelines the have to adapt to.. they just act the way they want to, together with their friends. I know persons who fall into both stereotypes, even know the guy that yelled at pr0fane at the Audiobahn festival, not very well though (he actually went to VooV 2004 as well). These people have no clue of how to act, they dont share the same state of counciousness and therefor act the way they want. And btw. munching pills is something I do when I'm bored at a party, usually if the music stinks and i have nothing else to do. If your to affected by drugs you don't really hear whats beeing played and miss a lot of the music.. even though you stand with a feeling at the end that it was great music, you just can't remember any of it.. Thats my own personal oppinion.
But you can't make these people dissapear, since they are a big part of the community, especially the danish.. and without them the scene wouldn't be as big and we wouldn't have this many parties and large names playing here, but not everybody wants this, but without them it would be even harder to relate to the musical scene. I must say I live and breathe for this music, listen to it, go to parties, attend festivals, buy albums to support my fav. artists and try to know as much music as possible.. It takes some time and energy to know the scene, and I feel I know only a small part even with the time i have put into it.
A lot of people just love the music, but they dont really care that much about the names of the artists, their friends will tell them whether its a good artist, and if the party will be any good.. A lot of people simply don't care that much.
The "solution" would be to make more private parties and only invite the people you really want to attend. These parties would be way smaller and probably couldn't finance the really big artists, but these usually aren't even the ones making the best music! I agree that this would be the best way.
Kinda messy post, and spelling mistakes are for free, so are any bad phrases.. and I'm sorry for that!
Well.. just wanted to add my word vomit to the thread, let's hope for a better community..
Peace..
Kenny aka. kiwi
|
|
I don't agree.
"Love is a way of life"
(Gaia, Love, Nature, Shamanism (.2A.y.0a.hu.1a.sc.2a.), Terence McKenna) |
|
|
|
Zoolog
Zoolog
Started Topics :
18
Posts :
783
Posted : Sep 23, 2004 18:48
|
|
I just wanna say: I hope to see you on the beach next year! We need new/more cool ppl. here! |
|
|
|
Krell
IsraTrance Junior Member
Started Topics :
33
Posts :
1114
Posted : Sep 26, 2004 11:28
|
To Kenny
I both agree and disagree with you... So, here is my response to your post.
"This is kinda a greyzone to me.. kinda. I attend the parties for one reason, and one reason only.. the music! I have loved electronic music as far back as i can remember and my eyes was opened for the psychedelic trance around '99 when i heard Astral Projection for the first time.. Since then goatrance and later on psytrance has been my only musical interest. I haven't been in the musical scene that long, I didn't attend my first party untill early 2002 since i had no friends and no contacts in the environment.. So I started rather late."
I went to my first party around 93/94 - I was also TOTALLY cut off from the scene, I went there with a friend since we were writing an essay on electronic music - and since you couldnt really read about it in a book back then, we had to go and get out own scoop on it... We got it, dancing our asses off all night:-)
The scene in Denmark, was in 2002 as it was in 99, where it all started to deteriorate more and more... more people were attending the events for buying, selling and doing drugs, instead of wanting to achieve a trance state... Sure, lots wanted to do both, but there was a growing number who were just into the drugs.
"I pretty much agree with the points of views that have been presented in this thread, but I can see it from more than one angle."
I view these things, from many angles. I always do that. However, the angle that I need to represent, is my own one... I try to understand what is going on in other peoples minds... For instance, if I was one of the beefy muscle guys running around, i would definately not feel great about people not accepting me because of my looks. The same could be said about just about any character, who is receiving critisicm.
Also, its a wise thing to do, before engaging in a discussion (especially on the internet).. It helps you prepare for what people will write, so that you hopefully wont end up in a flame thread.
"The two stereotypes discussed are very often seen at danish parties, and have become a part of the community and makes it the size it is today, even though they don't have the same attitude as the oldschoolers that have been around since it all started, and these stereotypes have no idea of how it has been earlier on and dont have any guidelines the have to adapt to.."
As a matter of fact, some of the muscle people HAVE been there for as long as I have, and some have been there far longer also! I know this for a fact. The scene is bigger now, and of course, there are more of them. On top of that, you notice them more, since they are so big... Thats a fact
You say you know the guy who yelled at pr0fane, well, ASK HIM, how long hes been in the environment !
"These people have no clue of how to act, they dont share the same state of counciousness and therefor act the way they want."
Oh, they just act as they damn well please. About the guy who yelled at pr0fane - I guess he just wanted people to dance... but what he did was, make someone really dedicated to the music feel bad about being there, including myself. I guess, his respons would just be "Ahhhh, come on, grow up! Dont be so uptight about it", this is the response you always get I feel.... Often, people will even start to quote PLUR, as if they knew what it was all about. PLUR must be equal to that you can do what you damn well please at trance parties lol hahaha.
Also, the other fucked up dealers there (SEMF), did the same... A friend I have told me, one of the DJs came around selling "bombs" with the statement "Aahh, Im just going to sell to everyone now, so that they are READY when Im going to spin" - How pathetic is that?
"munching pills is something I do when I'm bored at a party, usually if the music stinks and i have nothing else to do. "
You know what I do ? I LEAVE! I will not do drugs at any event I wouldnt enjoy sober... Drugs are not for levelling out the bad things in life, they are for enhancing the good things. This is soooo much my point, people are doing drugs and end up not giving a shit about the party or the music... Its just allll fine with them... They could be emerged in dog shit and would still have a ball!
This DESTROYS the spirit of what its all about. Having fun, creating special experiences, things that will stand out in your mind for a lifetime.....
"If your to affected by drugs you don't really hear whats beeing played and miss a lot of the music.. even though you stand with a feeling at the end that it was great music, you just can't remember any of it.. Thats my own personal oppinion."
I have a similiar opinion here... all though I do hear what is being played, I do tend to become less critical of it. It also gets harder to formulate a really objective opinion about the event during and afterwards... Still, it of course depends on how much of a pill muncher you are.
"But you can't make these people dissapear, since they are a big part of the community, especially the danish.. and without them the scene wouldn't be as big and we wouldn't have this many parties and large names playing here, but not everybody wants this, but without them it would be even harder to relate to the musical scene."
You can be a part of this scene no matter how you look, no matter what you think, no matter who you are... What is important is how you behave, and also, what your intentions for being at the parties are...
Oh, Im not saying everyone I dont want there go there well knowing they dont belong there.. Im quite sure, most of them have never given it a thought, why they are at the events... But, take away the drugs, you take away those people. Pure and simple... Like, people who stop doing drugs, stop going to trance parties. Ok, some do it to stay clear of the drugs, others do it because the music suddenly doesnt appeal to them without the drugs (those are the ones we dont want there).
Again, Im gonna double quote ya.... "But you can't make these people dissapear, since they are a big part of the community, especially the danish.." - You are so right, and, my conclusion is - THIS ISNT MY SCENE ANYMORE! Im trying to figure out, how to still keep the events I like, with people I like... it will take time.. and Im trying.
"I must say I live and breathe for this music, listen to it, go to parties, attend festivals, buy albums to support my fav. artists and try to know as much music as possible.. "
This is what its all about, respect !
"It takes some time and energy to know the scene, and I feel I know only a small part even with the time i have put into it."
Know yourself, and you know the scene... Simple as that. You dont "need" to know the organizers, the artists, the djs etc... You just need to have your own relationsship to the music sorted out, and relate to the experience.. thats it. Im getting a sence of hieraki, and I dont like that.
"A lot of people just love the music, but they dont really care that much about the names of the artists, their friends will tell them whether its a good artist, and if the party will be any good.. A lot of people simply don't care that much."
Yes I agree - Just because they dont get all academic about it, doesnt meant they dont like it. Its not a contest of who will win the psytrance geopardy, but who will achieve the highest level of trance + add to the vibe. Ah well, its not a contest at all I guess Its a personal and collective experience of trance/music.
"The "solution" would be to make more private parties and only invite the people you really want to attend. These parties would be way smaller and probably couldn't finance the really big artists, but these usually aren't even the ones making the best music! I agree that this would be the best way."
Yeah, it will be really cool - and its already being done.. Actually, those private parties have existed, forever it seems.... Many of the moesgaard events are like that... Well, I would say, the really big artists arent creating better music than the small ones... They are just the ones betting hyped a lot, and also, who have professional promoters/money engines behind them. So, in that, we are also in agreement.
"Well.. just wanted to add my word vomit to the thread, let's hope for a better community.."
Vomit is always a welcome
Dont take life to serious!
Regards
Krell |
|
|
|
Troll@CrackWhoreModels
IsraTrance Analyst Member
Started Topics :
558
Posts :
2135
Posted : Sep 27, 2004 02:53
|
|
|
