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The Green Channel
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Posted : Sep 21, 2004 16:35
During my one month tour of Europe (festival-tour) this summer, I realised how meaningless/boring/stereotypical our Copenhagen scene really is.

The most remarkable thing is usually the two most important aspects of a party/festival from my point of view is; the quality of the music (the line-up) and the quality of the sound system. These two technical aspects are usually (with several exceptions) fulfilled in Copenhagen (at worst you can find a worthy line-up and sound system once a month. Denmark probably has some of the best line-ups in the world right now, which makes it even more ironic).

After attaining two parties which fulfilled my above stated criteria of a good party, I was shocked to find both of them to be unexciting.

The main reason that I found these parties boring was the people (also the locations were not very underground, which does not help either).

The people who attend parties in Copenhagen have absolutely no clue what trance is really about:

Stereotype .A. “coca land people”

They think it’s about wearing as black cloth as possible, and sniffing as much coke as their noses and wallets will allow. Taking hormones in order to increase their body’s volume and finally to spread as much anger and bad vibrations as possible.

Stereotype .B. “Jingle pills all year round”

Although they do not spread anger and fear, and are not as bad as the above mentioned type, they still seem childish in many-ways. Furthermore they give our scene a bad name. Their abuse of pills has in my opinion nothing what so ever to do with a controlled MDMA usage (it’s been proven 6/10 pills don’t even contain MDMA now a days), and the amount of pills which “they” consume are unbelievable.

Off course both groups have little or no interest in the music what so ever, if they are not under some influence (and the fact that they know infected and Atmos does not count).

I would like to know if some you have some suggestions of how to improve our Copenhagen scene?

In addition if some you know some places which are good/underground to attain during the horrible Danish winter?

And I myself am trying to be the change that I want to see in the world, with our radio program which returns to the Air on the 1. October (17:00 - 20:00), we try to explain how this scene really started and what PLUR really means etc.

And I have tried to arrange parties here Copenhagen and will not repeat THAT mistake.

Cheers To everyone, Daniel Choleva, Frederiksberg.


          "Love is a way of life"

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Troll@CrackWhoreModels
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Posted : Sep 21, 2004 16:57
hey Daniel

what can i say you have read my mind,your absolutely right about the scene

i have often wonder'd myself looking at old flyer's and pic's from 90-98 and asked myself where has thees line ups,locations and most of all the real trancer's went?

i think they went when trance music lost it mystery and spirtuality and when the parties started to be money machines :S

specially "Stereotype .B. “Jingle pills all year round" is badf or our scene cause i think that they are the reason that the police are beeing very strict about our parties now days....there has been a boom of newcomers the last to years i think and thoos(maybe more years)..cause little 15 year old people with glowstiks,"sutter and benvarmere eating 5-10 pill a nite is not very good when the cops drop by to chek out the parties...

so what can we do to make the scene better..i really dont know..cause they seem to be everywhere thees days:S

but the parties at silo'en has a age limted at 20 i think that's helps alot..the last two parties i've beeen to there, there as been minimum of glowsticks and other crap and i thiunk the location is very nice too but very expensive to rent aswell....

i'm looking forward to hear your radio show and you sould maybe chek at the meteloids party on dec 11th at nørre ales medborgerehus

peace:D
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pr0fane
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Posted : Sep 21, 2004 17:43
Hi Daniel, great to see you back

I completely agree with you about the Danish scene, but this has been the case for some time now. It’s definitely worse in Copenhagen, where there is a high degree of “urban coolness” – people there to show off. There are examples from Jutland though; like the Scandinavian Electronic Music Festival, where I was specifically told to “fucking leave the party, when I was just sitting down anyways” by a 2m high steroid-type guy and his posse of coke-snorters. Since when is it as crime to be at a party, and sit down next to the dance floor and enjoy the music?

I guess the beauty of the Danish scene (many parties, great lineups) is also a downside: Lots of morons attending, and ruining the atmosphere in different ways, like aggressive attitude and uncontrolled use of drugs.

Agree with Ravingloon about the parties in the Silos by the way. Even though the last party had one of the most impressive line-ups this year, a lot of the assholes stayed at home. I guess that just proves they have no taste

I know I’m judging a lot of people, but it’s just so depressing that the people really dedicated to the music stay away because of these problems.

It’s a cliché, but PLUR.

By the way: this discussion should probably be at trancetunnel.dk, even though a lot of people in there probably will be offended.          DJ pr0fane (Iboga Records) | Multiphase
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The Green Channel
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Posted : Sep 21, 2004 17:51
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By the way: this discussion should probably be at trancetunnel.dk, even though a lot of people in there probably will be offended.


Yes exactly, people there will be offended because many of them ARE part of the problem.          "Love is a way of life"

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The Green Channel
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Posted : Sep 21, 2004 17:54
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I know I’m judging a lot of people, but it’s just so depressing that the people really dedicated to the music stay away because of these problems.




Now that a serious problem, and thats what we should change (but how?).
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The Green Channel
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Posted : Sep 21, 2004 17:56
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. There are examples from Jutland though; like the Scandinavian Electronic Music Festival, where I was specifically told to “fucking leave the party, when I was just sitting down anyways” by a 2m high steroid-type guy and his posse of coke-snorters. Since when is it as crime to be at a party, and sit down next to the dance floor and enjoy the music?



That’s fucking tragic (could you imagine that happening at a international festival?).
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The Green Channel
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Posted : Sep 21, 2004 17:58
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On 2004-09-21 17:43, pr0fane wrote:
Hi Daniel, great to see you back



Finally yes, it's good to be back ...           "Love is a way of life"

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The Green Channel
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Posted : Sep 21, 2004 18:01
Quote:

On 2004-09-21 16:57, RavingLoon wrote:


specially "Stereotype .B. “Jingle pills all year round" is badf or our scene cause i think that they are the reason that the police are beeing very strict about our parties now days....there has been a boom of newcomers the last to years i think and thoos(maybe more years)..cause little 15 year old people with glowstiks,"sutter and benvarmere eating 5-10 pill a nite is not very good when the cops drop by to chek out the parties...




I don't completely agree, because they may be irritating and annoying (pill-people) and surely bring the wrong focus on our scene, but at least they are mostly non-violent , and violence and aggression is in my opinion the scenes biggest problem.

About the rest you are very right. And I will try the next party at the silo.
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Troll@CrackWhoreModels
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Posted : Sep 21, 2004 21:29
Quote:

On 2004-09-21 18:01, The Green Channel wrote:
Quote:

On 2004-09-21 16:57, RavingLoon wrote:


specially "Stereotype .B. “Jingle pills all year round" is badf or our scene cause i think that they are the reason that the police are beeing very strict about our parties now days....there has been a boom of newcomers the last to years i think and thoos(maybe more years)..cause little 15 year old people with glowstiks,"sutter and benvarmere eating 5-10 pill a nite is not very good when the cops drop by to chek out the parties...




I don't completely agree, because they may be irritating and annoying (pill-people) and surely bring the wrong focus on our scene, but at least they are mostly non-violent , and violence and aggression is in my opinion the scenes biggest problem.

About the rest you are very right. And I will try the next party at the silo.





yes now days it seems like there a fight at every party :S i had never seen a fight at a party until a year ago or something...

but it seems so to me that the party organizers or the doormen dont seem to do anything about the people who fight which often is the same people who dos it :S           www.myspace.com/trollatcrackwhoremodels
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raider
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Posted : Sep 22, 2004 09:34
WRAAAA... ehm... I agree with you guys. Being a DJ, it ain't fun to play for a bunch of kids who doesn't know anything about the music at all. Getting requests for the same old crap all the time, sickens me.
psypox
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Posted : Sep 22, 2004 10:09
nice post!

i know from pics that theres alot of “coca land people” and “Jingle pills all year round” in copenhagen... havent played there or bean to many partys over there.. i like the partys in jutland much more.. !



plur!
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Kiriyama

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Posted : Sep 22, 2004 10:09
I sort of agree with everyone who has posted in this thread so far. Everytime I've been on visit in Copenhagen for a party, I've seen people start fighting at parties, and guess what!? - It seems like it's the coke-anabola-heads all the times. And I can't really mention anywhere in the world I've been to parties where there's a such high amount of those stereotypes.

A solution for you during the winters is perahps go to some of the swedish parties, since both the "uncontrolled" use of drugs are less noticeable compared to Copenhagen, and the drug users are using a completely different arsenal. I'm not promoting drugs in any way, but there are just some drugs that are more "connected" to what it all meant to be from the beginning. You know, Timothy Leary, mind expansion and all that ain't related to cokeheads of any kind in my humble opinon

How's the scene in Århus? Maybe it's better there, at least they bring a lot of good artists to the scene

I don't really have a solution for the Copenhagen-syndrome, but one thing that pops up in my head is that the scene needs more "education". And I think we can achieve this by turning the parties AND the culture more political again - yes I'm with politics and I do think the culture are strongly connected with politics. "To people that are able to think and feel for themselves, feel free for themselves" as Jimi Hendrix stated, just makes the conclusion clear: There's no concerns about exploring your concsiousness any longer, there's no concerns about taking political stands for freedom. Most people at parties will respond to the question "Do you promote freedom?" in some sort of PLURish way, but after they've finito at the party and the drugs have completed their task, they just go down to the McDonald's and then return to their working 8 to 5 week.

There's no real concern any longer about the world, about other people, about freedom of any kind. People there are generally only in it for the drugs, and I feel some sort of the same in Sweden sometimes, even though the use of drugs are significantly lower compared to the use of drugs in Copenhagen.

Somebody perhaps catchs my point, I hope. I think that if people were more into it for the whole "thing" again, we would in the long run loose those cokeheads who's just found a "freezone" to party in a ****** way without people taking notice.

More politics!!!.
Now feel free to flame me.
psypox
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Posted : Sep 22, 2004 10:31
Quote:

On 2004-09-21 17:43, pr0fane wrote:
There are examples from Jutland though; like the Scandinavian Electronic Music Festival, where I was specifically told to “fucking leave the party, when I was just sitting down anyways” by a 2m high steroid-type guy and his posse of coke-snorters.




Hi Jannick my freind, yeah i remember that episode.. that is realy a good example... i know him, that big black dude.. :/

thoes people shudt be banned from festivals and partys in Denmark imo.           www.myspace.com/psypox
Krell
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Posted : Sep 22, 2004 11:07
Hello The Green Channel

First of all, I agree with you in all you say - Its been so for a long time in Copenhagen, and also in other larger danish towns. As far as I can recall the "change" came around 1999 after techno parties had been talked about a lot in the media concerning drugs... The media had labelled techno events as druggie events, therefore, people go there for that and accept them as such. Prices on drugs also started to drop rapidly + availability increased (also, the people pushing them got more aggressive, even targeted younger people).
Its not that there were no drugs there before 1999, it just seemed to get a lot worse after that year.

"Although they do not spread anger and fear, and are not as bad as the above mentioned type, they still seem childish in many-ways. Furthermore they give our scene a bad name. Their abuse of pills has in my opinion nothing what so ever to do with a controlled MDMA usage (it’s been proven 6/10 pills don’t even contain MDMA now a days), and the amount of pills which “they” consume are unbelievable"

Yes, its quite mad - People are eating often over 10+ pills, others are more controlled but that doesnt stop them form acting in childish ways. I think you will find that they are often not that old either, people start maturing around 21 years of age - or so it seems. I dont think this can be helped at all, or, the only thing that might help is being a complete snob about things and really make them feel unwelcome... and then, they can do the same so that in the end we might end up with a Fluffy Scene and a Mature Scene...
Generally, the older trancers in Denmark 25years+ stop going to parties or start having second thoughts about the music... Whereas in other countries you might have a more mature crowd, everybody seems to be younger than 25years in Denmark. I think this will create the effect you are talking about...

Then there are the people doing cocaine and steroides, Im guessing some of them come from the "used to be candyraver" crowd. They seem quite intimidating and like to show off their tatoos... I dont know, it doesnt make sence there should be so many of them in the trance scene. My theory is that they like it there, because its all so superficial... Great body = Slow Mind?
Im sure some of them are nice people, but I do think they are mostly interested in looking good and showing their bodies off, just as many of the girls there are... Getting laid, and showing of your body, has nothing to do with dancing yourself into a trance.

Things have moved from "cultural events" to normal "partying" - Its no longer "the gathering of the tribe", theres no real connection between the people at the parties other than the small cliques they kling to. Party names and themes are MEANINGLESS, there no purpose to the parties other than partying... Try dancing yourself into a trance when you a stoved together as fish in a barrel + its like 50Celcius hot and condensation is dripping from the ceiling - all the while some "babe" is rubbing her ass up and down yours or whatever!

"Off course both groups have little or no interest in the music what so ever, if they are not under some influence (and the fact that they know infected and Atmos does not count). "

There will always be newbies - and if there is no real "underground scene" to act as a "trance school" they will react to what they see at these parties. Probably, a few people start going to parties together, maybe start doing drugs together - and together they will create their own codes of conduct at parties....

"I would like to know if some you have some suggestions of how to improve our Copenhagen scene? "

Start arranging private parties, only private invites... Get people together to find their worthy friends and put them on a list... Like a pyramid game, but make sure that the people who invite others know what its all about - understand the seriousness of the situation...
Then, after some time, you have a list of people, cool people. Maybe a list large enough to book a "real" veunue. Hopefully, artists and DJs will support the project in order to create a healthy economy. (have an organisation "forening", take care of the economics).
There you have it - Thats the only way, the only acceptable way. If someone doesnt behave, or whatever, quarantine them, or ban them.. THIS PARTY IS INVITES ONLY!!!
Others have tried putting on shitty music to scare people on mdma and cocaine away.. I find that fucked up, thats not what music is for.

Of course, some might actually get in who are not invited - but I think this method would keep the "blanks" to a bare minimum

Another thing is to stop creating parties from a commercial point of view.... They are supposed to be cultural events, and not party money making machines. If this requires cutting back on deco and lineup, so be it ! Dont sacrifice quality for quantity - and a good serious trance crowd is more important than how grand a setting you can create in order to compete with others. Im not saying you should book shitty djs/artists, Im saying you should book CHEAP but GOOD djs/artists. Again, big local names should back up such a project.

As long as invites are public, fucked up people are going to attend.

Regards

Krell
The Green Channel
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Posted : Sep 22, 2004 13:58
Quote:

On 2004-09-22 11:07, Krell wrote:
Hello The Green Channel

First of all, I agree with you in all you say - Its been so for a long time in Copenhagen, and also in other larger danish towns. As far as I can recall the "change" came around 1999 after techno parties had been talked about a lot in the media concerning drugs... The media had labelled techno events as druggie events, therefore, people go there for that and accept them as such. Prices on drugs also started to drop rapidly + availability increased (also, the people pushing them got more aggressive, even targeted younger people).
Its not that there were no drugs there before 1999, it just seemed to get a lot worse after that year.

"Although they do not spread anger and fear, and are not as bad as the above mentioned type, they still seem childish in many-ways. Furthermore they give our scene a bad name. Their abuse of pills has in my opinion nothing what so ever to do with a controlled MDMA usage (it’s been proven 6/10 pills don’t even contain MDMA now a days), and the amount of pills which “they” consume are unbelievable"

Yes, its quite mad - People are eating often over 10+ pills, others are more controlled but that doesnt stop them form acting in childish ways. I think you will find that they are often not that old either, people start maturing around 21 years of age - or so it seems. I dont think this can be helped at all, or, the only thing that might help is being a complete snob about things and really make them feel unwelcome... and then, they can do the same so that in the end we might end up with a Fluffy Scene and a Mature Scene...
Generally, the older trancers in Denmark 25years+ stop going to parties or start having second thoughts about the music... Whereas in other countries you might have a more mature crowd, everybody seems to be younger than 25years in Denmark. I think this will create the effect you are talking about...

Then there are the people doing cocaine and steroides, Im guessing some of them come from the "used to be candyraver" crowd. They seem quite intimidating and like to show off their tatoos... I dont know, it doesnt make sence there should be so many of them in the trance scene. My theory is that they like it there, because its all so superficial... Great body = Slow Mind?
Im sure some of them are nice people, but I do think they are mostly interested in looking good and showing their bodies off, just as many of the girls there are... Getting laid, and showing of your body, has nothing to do with dancing yourself into a trance.

Things have moved from "cultural events" to normal "partying" - Its no longer "the gathering of the tribe", theres no real connection between the people at the parties other than the small cliques they kling to. Party names and themes are MEANINGLESS, there no purpose to the parties other than partying... Try dancing yourself into a trance when you a stoved together as fish in a barrel + its like 50Celcius hot and condensation is dripping from the ceiling - all the while some "babe" is rubbing her ass up and down yours or whatever!

"Off course both groups have little or no interest in the music what so ever, if they are not under some influence (and the fact that they know infected and Atmos does not count). "

There will always be newbies - and if there is no real "underground scene" to act as a "trance school" they will react to what they see at these parties. Probably, a few people start going to parties together, maybe start doing drugs together - and together they will create their own codes of conduct at parties....

"I would like to know if some you have some suggestions of how to improve our Copenhagen scene? "

Start arranging private parties, only private invites... Get people together to find their worthy friends and put them on a list... Like a pyramid game, but make sure that the people who invite others know what its all about - understand the seriousness of the situation...
Then, after some time, you have a list of people, cool people. Maybe a list large enough to book a "real" veunue. Hopefully, artists and DJs will support the project in order to create a healthy economy. (have an organisation "forening", take care of the economics).
There you have it - Thats the only way, the only acceptable way. If someone doesnt behave, or whatever, quarantine them, or ban them.. THIS PARTY IS INVITES ONLY!!!
Others have tried putting on shitty music to scare people on mdma and cocaine away.. I find that fucked up, thats not what music is for.

Of course, some might actually get in who are not invited - but I think this method would keep the "blanks" to a bare minimum

Another thing is to stop creating parties from a commercial point of view.... They are supposed to be cultural events, and not party money making machines. If this requires cutting back on deco and lineup, so be it ! Dont sacrifice quality for quantity - and a good serious trance crowd is more important than how grand a setting you can create in order to compete with others. Im not saying you should book shitty djs/artists, Im saying you should book CHEAP but GOOD djs/artists. Again, big local names should back up such a project.

As long as invites are public, fucked up people are going to attend.

Regards

Krell




Your idea is actually great, and the funny thing is it reminds me of one my friend’s ideas, but I’ll ask you the same question I asked him; how do you organize enough people? Because I know several other people who tried something like this (psy-fi club), and as far as I know I did not go all that well.
Still, with that said, I think your idea is one of the only real alternatives to the Copenhagen candy raves, but how do we start such an organization???

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