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PARADISO,GOA - STAY AWAY !!
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IsraTrance Senior Member
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Posted : Dec 21, 2005 11:21
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Spinman :::
I do have a logical brain, so I understand and see the reality of the situation, But.
I just cant see why people aren't taking actions. I mean the old trippers like your self, Goa Gil and the hippies/residential/good people who lives there 50% of the year that have been faithful to Goa and it's true spirit and especially the Indians them self! Why isn't anyone taking political actions against the murder on Goa's soul?
I know this is India and not Norway, and that things work differently there. But I would like to see/hear people standing up for Goa and it's historical principles and cleaning up the situation. India may not be as "civilized" as other places and bribing is easily accepted by the police (and the government?) but I refuse to believe that evil will prevail good in this situation. . It seems to me (according to this thread and other impressions that I have gotten) that Goa is a ghost town now (thinking about the spirit and vibes of Goa, not tourists and children playing on the beach). Maybe the spirit has left to Australia? 
.. I don't know, guess I'm just a hopeless romantic wanting things to stay "clean" and "real". It makes me sad, and it makes me wanting to take actions by my self. Lets see what the future brings.
I guess Goa died when the music we love named Goa died.
::: I need a smoke, I can almost feel tears pressing through. I'm sad to see that everything that I love is disappearing "in front" of my eyes, before I get the chance to even see it.
No, no tears, no regret, no anger. This is evolution, this is natural. Nothing lasts, but nothing is lost. Energies do not simply disappear, they move to other places.
I hope the Goa spirit will be carried on in beautiful countries like Japan and Australia.
Thank god we got the Scandinavian forests to play in.
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Trold
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Posted : Dec 21, 2005 23:14
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The thing that hit me after being in goa and got involved with the party story.....is that there is never room for more than 1 party at the time, even though there is more than enough people to fill up more than one dancefloor......(there could even be room for a prog floor...he he)
Even when there is annonced more than one...it always ends up in 1.....
The reason for this "cenario" in goa is many, but here is what i think...
1.The lach of new ideas for instance......
I mean Goa is BIG, why are the partys always set to the same places and spots like Hilltop, Disco valley, Bamboo forest, Monkey valley..etc...or different small cafe's or resturants like, crab key , shiva valley cafe etc....
Why not find a remote place somewhere that is not disturbing anyone or anything......(becase this is the biggest reason for not getting permision to party...ur always disturbing someone or something)
2. AND the biggest reason, the fact that the goverment wants MONEY into Goa,(who can blame them)...and that meens hotels and rich people...not freaks and travellers with little or nothing....
3 ,and also I had a weird feeling of "powerfight" between different nationalitys that have been in Goa for a while about who's having the best connections......Im not saying it is but, If my feeling is right, then it is totaly destructive for the party/seremony situation.
"Paradisco" is the only alternative when all other partys fail...as they do almost every time...
My feeling was that this was controlled to....
They give permission to have a party somewhere.....people get fired up......it never happenes......what to do and where to go?? Paradisco!!
Ho ho ho....mary cristmas..
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Posted : Dec 22, 2005 08:51
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On 2005-12-21 23:14, Trold wrote:
The thing that hit me after being in goa and got involved with the party story.....is that there is ....
2. AND the biggest reason, the fact that the goverment wants MONEY into Goa,(who can blame them)...and that meens hotels and rich people...not freaks and travellers with little or nothing....
Ho ho ho....mary cristmas..
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Reasonable enough. Money rules, and Goa is a name that can and will be exploded. - Tell me, how are the travel agencies treating the place? You know, the tourist companies like Ving, Star Tour, Spies ect.
And a hapy nuw yar.
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Bloodclot
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Posted : Dec 22, 2005 08:56
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An answer to why nothing being done is because of corruption and nothing else. Even if you try and fight it.. ur left with a one man army.. just yourself. How do you think parties and drugs flow so easily there? Corruption of course.. but then its me and you that enjoy those parties. So how are we any different from the corruption thats going on there? We'r enjoying it yet complaining about it when it doesnt favour us.
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Vagator Vibhushan
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Posted : Dec 22, 2005 10:13
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coming to that, yea, its corruption, but then I think you also have to respect the collective will of the Goan people, which is nowdays increasingly veering towards rich tourism, and away from the violent, cheap and uncultured israeli kinda one. Goan people now prefer to have 15-dayers who spend as much as the 6-monthers. So how to stop the trash can from crashing onto their beaches all the time...stop the friggin parties.
go to south goa right now, when the north is lying barren, and you will see what i mean
the money which trancing tourists spend in Goa is zilch compared to what tourists spend, even anywhere else in India...so, the local people are revamping their tourism style and until the time trancers learn to respect the land and support its people with more than buying cheap charas and haggling for Rs 200 a day rooms, its stoopid to keep blaming the government and suchlike
lets face it, one of the biggest factors in making Goa a choice of party destination is how ridiculously cheap it is...well, then lets face it too, it aint that cheap anymore
paradisco, incidentally, makes money coz of the boozers and not trancers, though funnily, it is the trancers who are cribbing about it the most
you should also know that most of the old places are shut because of public litigation, though ofcourse anyone can also contend this must be politically motivated, but then, how do you explain the everyday street protests? these are Goan people saying you people come to take all the time...now we want those who give.
Yes, there are others who are feeling the immediate pinch as tourism has trickled last few years, but no change comes without a little pain.
In short then, you want to save Goa, then support it by spending twice on it this year than you did last, and dont demand a "better price" all the time.
my view, no offense to anyone
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illusions
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Posted : Dec 22, 2005 13:05
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Vibhushan:
its stupid to blame the government when tourists come and haggle for 200 Rs rooms ?
They can't magically turn all the "trancing tourists" into high spending, 5 star hotel visitors. These are the kind of people that do come, they refuse to get ripped off (are those rooms worth much more than 200 Rs ?) and are helping the local economy. Goa would'nt be anywhere near where it is now if it was'nt for those "200 rupee room haggling trancing tourists".
The government is to blame for a lot of goa's problems. And it will definitely be to blame when less and less charter planes land there. |
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GOAPETE
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Posted : Dec 22, 2005 17:25
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I think Vagator Vibushan has no clue what he is talking about, People like him have this dream of turning Amritsar into Amsterdam  |
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Spindrift
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Posted : Dec 22, 2005 18:28
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The charter business is going quite ok for Goa, and that there is no parties will not stop that I think.
But the party tourist also spend more than they used to and don't haggle as much as they any more it seems to me.
The big difference is that the charter tourists spend very little money that comes in the hands of the locals.
They live in hotels owned by foreigners or people from Mumbai, they mostly eat in resturants and drink in bars that is not owned by locals.
According to the local news more than 80% of what they spend goes to owners not from Goa.
But of course the officials get their money and some locals get jobs.
But the chai ladies and famailies letting rooms in north Goa is getting a very hard time due to the no-party politics.
And that the parties helped the charter industry and placing Goa on the map seems quite obvious.
I'm sure the best economically would be to welcome both kinds of tourists.
But I can understand when the minister says "we have enough poor people here, we don't more to come over here".
It used to be like a sport who could stay the longest on the least money and people got really exited trying to get used to the haggling game that is part of the way you make business in India.
But very few from the party crowd I know hanging out there now mind paying a bit and don't think it's worth spending 30 minutes trying to save 10 rs.
Most people I know spending the full season there spend about $900/mnth.
So that they charter tourists should spend as much in a couple of weeks as the freaks do in 6 months is just some dated preconceptions it seems to me.
They probaly give the locals more per week as than charter tourists nowadays.
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dE.Tonatik
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Posted : Dec 22, 2005 20:18
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y give paradisco so much importance ...
if no music anywhere ...go to paradisco late in night or early morning
go down the stairs .. ..trip on stars & sea
...couple of beers ....some chillums and that's it
it would be better to see it as just another chill out place rather than a party joint ..
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Vagator Vibhushan
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Posted : Dec 23, 2005 09:22
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On 2005-12-22 13:05, illusions wrote:
(are those rooms worth much more than 200 Rs ?)
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yes my friend, during peak season they definitely are, unless you want to stay until March, in which case you might wanna get it for 150
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On 2005-12-22 18:28, Spindrift wrote:
So that they charter tourists should spend as much in a couple of weeks as the freaks do in 6 months is just some dated preconceptions it seems to me.
They probaly give the locals more per week as than charter tourists nowadays.
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while i agree with most of what u have said mate, here the facts are different. The money does go to the locals to quite an extent, well atleast more than it used to after the government made it mandatory for any hospitality business to have a Goan partner. Sure, many times this arrangement is shown only on paper, but quite a lot of other times the Goan partner is active.
If the Goan people are not pissed off and really care for the party money, then why have places like Hilltop been shut down (the school next door existed for all these years didnt it?), and why has Hingo's saturday night flea market been moved to Morjim despite Hingo paying a bomb to reconstruct that beautiful temple next to it. In Morjim too, the local people dont seem to want the money and are taking out dharnas (street protests) every saturday. Do you think if it really hurt them bad they wouldnt themselves rise in protest against it...here they seem to be doing the opposite... these self-destructive Goans I tell you
Last few years the government in power was a right-wing party called BJP, so everyone thought ok thats why no parties...they want to do some moral cleanisng or shit like that. This year it is a centrist party called Congress, known historically to support party tourism, but things have infact gotten worse, why? The local politician-in-power, Wilfred DSouza, has even gone on record to say that "nowhere else in Goa do they demand such concessions (allnight loud parties) so why should you?"
60-yr-old taxi driver at Anjuna: Yea people are not coming as parties have stopped. In a way it is good too since the parties were giving Goa a bad name. Quite a lot of the young guys from the village now have nothing to do since they were selling d's and havent acquired skills to do anything else (hint was at the rising crime rate in the north belt)
Last year you know how many robberies were reported in Anjuna alone, leave alone a few murders? 10 a week! When was Goa like this?
Now go to south anjuna - palolem for example...the place is overbooked, and shanty rooms on the beach are selling for Rs 3,000 upwards
the message is clear, or maybe I have my ears too much into the ground
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