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AnoNimi
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Posted : Jan 20, 2003 11:01
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latly it seems to me that almost every newcomer in the scene is getting his way somehow to a compilation or an album or maybe an Ep...
maybe it is because of the verious labels that are opening now , but a lot of the tracks that are out today has nothing new to offer and in some of the cases they are preatty boring (and i dont want to insolt any one or hurt anybodys feelings)
so i just wanted to know if pepole feel the same way i do , that the old trance (2-3 years back ) is in alot of the times better than the new music that comes out .
just to make my self clear , i still think there are alot of good artists today
cheers
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BrainStorm
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Posted : Jan 20, 2003 13:52
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i agree
old Astral, MFG, Etnica are way better then Astrix and many new bands in this genre
but sure there're great artist in this style today as well
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DETOX
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Posted : Jan 20, 2003 16:07
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Everybody is a musician at our days
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Zombi
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Posted : Jan 20, 2003 16:12
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everybody is also party org and label
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Jason (LyTe)
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Posted : Jan 20, 2003 16:13
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so what are you saying, young artists don't deserve a break?
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Zombi
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Posted : Jan 20, 2003 16:15
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as it been said at gueta food place - too many chifs and too less indians...
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DETOX
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Posted : Jan 20, 2003 16:19
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Hahahahahha yes Zombi u got the point exactly
Whats a young artist Jason?
Everybody that has fruity loops on his pc?
I am not against software music programs since i am no musician but my humble opinion is that if you really really want to become an artist then you MUST spend some money on a synth or something and then put much effort on it.
Its ok to make music just on a pc but when you send the music on every label available and then you make a release and you call yourself an artist then sorry but it doesnt work exactly that way.
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Zombi
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Posted : Jan 20, 2003 16:27
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detox, i say ya, but nowdays u dont need hardware at all for being sounded realy good or perfect. vst programs have same sound as midi equipment, mark allen btw make his music ONLY with pc, is it bad ??
u just dont know what about u talk..
cubase + killer pc (killer mb, killer soundcard) + relevant vst (synth, samplers, vokouders) + monitors = studio that can make EVERY quality production.
ppl buy midi not coze its better sound, but coze they love it..
and believe me, the things i told u need for make music with pc only cost money also..
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Zombi
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Posted : Jan 20, 2003 16:31
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synteza is synteza no matter if its boiling at outboard interface (midi) or same electric impulse that created by your own pc, the algoritme is what importent.
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Psybaba
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Posted : Jan 20, 2003 16:36
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cuz its sellout music style
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Jason (LyTe)
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Posted : Jan 20, 2003 16:45
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On 2003-01-20 16:19, DETOX wrote:
Whats a young artist Jason?
Everybody that has fruity loops on his pc?
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and what about cubase users, reason users and Logic? not EVERY Young Artist is a fruity looper.
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I am not against software music programs since i am no musician but my humble opinion is that if you really really want to become an artist then you MUST spend some money on a synth or something and then put much effort on it
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granted. unfortunately, synths are very expensive (By synths I am not talking about MIDI controlers), as well as Studio Monitors, Mixer, effect racks, building a studio. are you saying that a person who works on a computer puts in less effort than the guy working on a synth? I beg to differ.
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Its ok to make music just on a pc but when you send the music on every label available and then you make a release and you call yourself an artist then sorry but it doesnt work exactly that way.
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How does it work, than? we've seen artists like Sesto Sento, Lish, Molecular, Purple Passion, Yotopia, Evil Drug Lords, Atomic Pulse, Nasser, Astrix and many many more who work mainly on computer or exclusively on one, who've released albums and tracks on compilations, and their sound does not fall short of the big artists out there.
remember, Infected's erez started out as an impulse tracker as shidapu, and he's released several albums under that name.
you say that if someone really wants to be an artist, he MUST spend money on expensive equipment. I Dissagree completly.
young artist should deserve a break, lest we'll be like any other society - the big shots are getting all the breaks and the striving young artist is getting doodlysquat. if your a lable manager and you decide NOT to sign young artists because you see them as lame, fruitylooping, inexperienced little brats, that's your call. but saying all young artists don't deserve a break because they don't have expensive equipment is just a load of crap.
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Trip-
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Posted : Jan 20, 2003 18:02
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I don't think this is the point in this thread Jason - so let's keep it on track:
I feel the same way as AnoNimi - unfortunately - but I think there are a few sunshines here and there from time to time - so it doesn't really matter if a guy is a pro newcomer or an amateur newcomer, when a label would want to place agenda on releasing quality musical highlights instead of quality production highlights, which is less important but not least, then I don't think we would see so much newcomer or even oldcomer tracks that are there to 'complete' the compilation and get 'over' with it.
AnoNimi w0rd.
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DETOX
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Posted : Jan 20, 2003 18:23
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Ok here we go again....
Zombi from my little experience nothing can match the production quality of hardware.And people dont buy hardware because they love it but because they know the difference between quality.
I am not against software for making music but when someone's album is only based on software then sorry but he has to try better than that if he really wants to be called a professional artist or something like that.There are very few exceptions like Talamasca for example who works mainly on his pc but he is a very talented guy and puts much effort on his work.
Jason i didnt said that every young artist is a fruitylooper but most of them are and the thing that pisses me off is that they really think that their music worths a lot,they even compare it with many artists like GMS,Deedrah,Skazi and many more.
I still insist that you need hardware in order to make good quality music.Not to mention that you must have talent.
About the releases thing one track doesnt make you famous or something.And you mentioned Atomic Pulse who i personally know and the guy has been producing music for 3 years and he became known just last year.It needs a lot of effort man in order to name yourself an ARTIST.
The whole thing reminds me the DJ story.Just search in this forum and see how many people call themselves DJ's.
A pair of CDJ's doesnt make you automatically a DJ.
Atmos once said that i am not a jukebox but i am a DJ.I hope you got the message.
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Kaz
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Posted : Jan 20, 2003 18:44
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Well, the problem is like this - labels are working very hard to get new and original music in order to release compilations. A high quality sound and good structure isn't all that hard to make. A lot of new names just haven't developed their skills and style into something that's 100% mature by the time they release. It's just easier to release a track today than it was a while ago - 10 years ago, without a sampler, a drum machine and an analog synth you didn't even stand a chance to reach the level of sound required for releasing. That meant only the people who really, really were commited to making the music actually had a chance to release music on albums. And of course, there were very few labels dedicated to psychedelic trance, so they allowed themselves to be selective - especially the big ones (Dragonfly, TIP, Phonokol, etc)
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Zombi
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Posted : Jan 20, 2003 18:44
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man, if quirk can do it with pc only, so i guess your litlle expirience is not relevant in this case..
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