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NYC/LA vs Ashevilla NC – Metaphor on Where We Are Heading!!
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light_trance
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Posted : Aug 15, 2006 01:37
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It is truly disturbing  after seeing whatz going on in NYC & LA after reading post on last weekend parties (no point spending time reading the same story again  )
http://forum.isratrance.com/viewtopic.php/topic/92940/forum/28/start/45 (LA)
http://forum.isratrance.com/viewtopic.php/topic/92762/forum/28/start/15 (NYC)
It makes me start thinking when the post about event in far away Asheville NC is telling a totally different story (I have no intention of comparing events)
http://forum.isratrance.com/viewtopic.php/topic/90142/forum/28/start/15
No Pandora Box 
I am not asking same stupid question about commercial club, money hungry promoters, so called big DJs with bigger ego (not talking about Skazi#1 t-shirt) and high no-show rate (again not GMS), pseudo-trancers divided into groups and fighting on forum instead of dancing together to create the right vibe and energy on the floor. I am not specifically pin-pointing anybody as I believe everybody connected to promote 4x4 bits in anyway is doing good at their own level.
The Real Question 
My question is what we need to do in order to make our events a truly remarkable event?
So many open topics : indoor or outdoor? Kind of music? Upto what level we need to association the necessary evil called ‘money’? What part tracers/dancers need to play in order to take the experience at the next level? …….. There are plenty of open questions that is been discussed over and over again on different part of forum.
Here we are (especially the so called biggest crowd in US from both coasts), and I am asking all of YOU - ‘the participants’ / ‘the trancers’ for whom the music is been played, the dance floor is made, decoration is done, ……. Don’t hide 
What kind of events you really want? What kind of experience you are looking forward too? What kind of psy-trance scene you love too see growing (or growing at all)? 
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WHAT ALL ARE YOU READY TO DO FOR THE MUSIC WE LOVE SO MUCH?. 
The Participants 
I am asking about the PART that THE PARTICIPANTS are ready to play (or help with) for their own benefits . We (atleast most of the trancers I know) spend so much of time listening to this soul opening music, waiting for new reply on any discussion thread, going to almost all parties we can (irrespective of the end experience) and not to mention the time thinking about IT.
For a change, instead of just empty discussions lets post few objective lines stating ‘What You Are Ready to Do?’
DJ / Promoters 
Almost same question is for DJs, Promoters and everybody associated in making the events where they are the participants too. What YOU are planning for us to take the entire scene to the next level, to give us time of our live AND What you are expecting from ‘the participants’?
Let’s focus 
Let’s be on the point. Just list down what you can do and what you are looking forward to?
 Really good quote I read long back : "Arguing on the internet is like running in the Special Olympics...Even if you win, you're still retarded"
Also I am talking about ‘Psychedelic Trance’, true meaning of which is know to us only but still here is rough definition I quickly found on Google
TRANCE 
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/trance
1. A hypnotic, cataleptic, or ecstatic state.
2. Detachment from one's physical surroundings, as in contemplation or daydreaming.
3. A semiconscious state, as between sleeping and waking; a daze.
PSYCHEDELIC 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychedelic
A psychedelic experience is characterized by the perception of aspects of one's mind previously unknown, or by the creative exuberance of the mind liberated from its ordinary fetters.
(hopefully I am writing to the right audience OR my be I should move to tribe.net instead of isra!)
Last but not least 
‘Please write few points on What I am ready to do so that by next summer, my experience of most of the events truly resemble the real meaning of ‘Psychedelic Trance Music and Dance Experience’ (Ooh you can put a line or two about what is ‘Psychedelic Trance Music and Dance Experience’ for you as meaning of the same is keep on changing for me as I am growing)
Big Boom from an Aspiring Trancer on Psychedelic Journey. 
Tinker 
Random quotes for people who haven’t listened (or forgotten) the message hidden deep inside the 4x4 kik
“The world is a dangerous place, not because of those who do evil, but because of those who look on and do nothing.” Albert Einstein
“My will shall shape the future. Whether I fail or succeed shall be no man's doing but my own. I am the force; I can clear any obstacle before me or I can be lost in the maze. My choice; my responsibility; win or lose, only I hold the key to my destiny”
“Genuine politics -- even politics worthy of the name -- the only politics I am willing to devote myself to -- is simply a matter of serving those around us: serving the community and serving those who will come after us. Its deepest roots are moral because it is a responsibility expressed through action, to and for the whole.”
Peace. 
trancein@gmail.com – ‘Busy creating history for the future generation’  |
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DiMiTry
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Posted : Aug 15, 2006 02:15
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I think you are talking about intent here. Events that are organized as business ventures vs. those that primarily about the music and its transformative potential.
i know which ones i prefer, but since in our society both will exist, that doesn't mean they cannot coexist peacefully. and yes, sometimes the big headliners won't show up and the attendees will lose their money. at other times, the attendees won't show up and the promoters will lose money. but hopefully neither of those things will happen. 
but with the right intent, an event can be successful in both areas. i don't like commercial parties, but i think promoters shouldn't ignore things that can help you break even - those little tricks that commercial promoters know so well.. balance is key.
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mandelbrot
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Posted : Aug 15, 2006 02:29
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There are probably lots of things one can do for psychedelic trance scene, but what is actually done is up to the person doing it. The most important things in my opinion are:
1. Support the truly good events (especially open-airs) by being present and generating good vibes, connecting with people, being tolerant and helping, etc.
2. Bring more people into the scene. Tell people about it and get them interested.
3. Support other dimensions of psychdelic culture, such as legal research of psychedelics (i.e. support MAPS.org!!), or just anything mind-expanding.
4. Work on self-development. "If you want to change the world - start with yourself".
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David(KIVA)
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Posted : Aug 15, 2006 02:52
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mudpeople
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Posted : Aug 15, 2006 20:29
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Im doing whatever I can. Im working on getting some parties going here where I live, not for money! I feel like Ive found something wonderful, and I feel the need to share. Maybe some time soon there will be trance here in Reno. For now I go to parties and dance til I cant walk, and practice on my cd players, and spread the good vibes, and most importantly smile! Money means nothing to me, only the experience of living has real value!
I know that all the sowers of bad karma will one day have to harvest. Let them have their lives, let us have ours. No matter how bad it seems there will always be the other end of the spectrum! No amount of money can take the real valuable experience from us. Remember that the mainstream has ADD, what they find so cool right now, in a year, will be forgotten.
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rachel
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Posted : Aug 15, 2006 21:57
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On 2006-08-15 02:15, DiMiTry wrote:
balance is key.
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Right ON....!! Human beings are creatures of extremes, and trance is plagued by the same. It's certainly no surprise what we see in the scene ;-) .... So i'm with you, dimitry, on this one - balance IS key....
But I also believe strongly that as promoters and participants, it is our responsibility to support the artists - both DJs and producers...
Producing music takes incredible talent, dedication, and resources. We must support those artists who give us their gifts by allowing them to LiVE in the material world. Great artists can't live on air - and we can't live without TheM...!!!
And not to forget - psytrance parties are expensive. Booking flights from all over the world, sorting out visas, etc... Good events require an iMMenSE investment of time and organization. No promoters with heart are aiming to get rich from trance; but without some compensation for their efforts to give the trance community the opportunity to hear and experience the best in psytrance, no good promoters will stay in the scene either.
And to be clear: I'm writing this post for the people on isra... not even considering the 'big' club promoters a part of the audience, so don't misunderstand what i'm saying here.... i'm speaking to our little (but hopefully expanding) alternative universe... and in the US it's smaller than maybe anywhere on earth!
We know where the good vibes are. We can feel them!! Let's focus on those. The others will fall awayyyyyy.... it's a natural evolution... the mainstream feeds off the underground... let them do it as long as they can. We're stronger.
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OneKind
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Posted : Aug 16, 2006 05:22
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i think that having 'comercial' partys is kinda good for psytrance because some people who attend the club to dance will hear these really good psytrance music for the first time and experience a little piece of the whole pie. this might be their first time to hear real good trance instead of just same old club house music. after the party they will go home and search the internet for the DJ they just heard and they couldnt stop dancing to. then they will come to real party and enjoy even more. and then....you know what then |
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fuzzikitten
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Posted : Aug 16, 2006 05:41
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On 2006-08-16 05:22, OneKind wrote:
i think that having 'comercial' partys is kinda good for psytrance because some people who attend the club to dance will hear these really good psytrance music for the first time and experience a little piece of the whole pie... |
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Agreed. I'd love to see more 'pop psytrance' like Infected taking over in America, pumping through people's iPod's and in the clubs. It helps condition the ears and catch more folks into the greater net. Bring on the rockstar trance parties!!!
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Just keep them away from Asheville, it's pure and beautiful and I likes it that way. |
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mono mono
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Posted : Aug 16, 2006 06:42
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On 2006-08-16 05:41, fuzzikitten wrote:
Bring on the rockstar trance parties!!!
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I got the riffs, the vinyl pants and the feathery decorative shirts: bring on the chicks, the bucks, the coca-cola, and the outrageous contract riders!!!
)^: will work for food and hovel :^(
From all of the events (in the US) i've been to, the vibe has been pretty good. Perhaps suffering a bit from poor attendence, i.e. not-so-large financial losses to the promoters. Once the losses are distributed amongst promoters no one is going bankrupt.
The largest US trance party i've been to has been the Gaian Mind SummerFest, at about 800 people, followed by a free-bee Pine Barrens nature party, we estimated about 300 people showed...all word of mouth...a bit risky for its renegade nature. Issues with cantankerous people has been minimal, fortunately. The vibes have all been good! More often than not i'm usually operating at baseline cognescence and understand some people do get a bit freaky when operating on El'Sid. In some ways, too much of this can alter a parties energy, not for the best, sometimes creating intense anti-social tendencies. Anyone else notice this?
Connection is one of the best things, and i mean connecting with people you don't know, however gentle that connection is. It's easy to connect with friends but those outside "your sphere" might pose some form of "stage fright" on your part. It's probably like cold-calling, in sales parlence. If you see someone new (to you), welcome them either with a smile, or a few words, or gestures, or, in my case, jesters. Over time it helps create bonds. Those with mis-intent usually have big walls up and these actions will to tend to rattle them ever so gently. If multitudes apply this, it'll be like chinese water torture and the bad karma will either exit the facilities, or quite possibly lower their boundaries.
bring'em on!
-dean
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Psycosmo
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Posted : Aug 16, 2006 10:21
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indoor or outdoor? Outdoor as much as possible, even if there is some added risk. I favor outdoor even in the winter, we just need to dress properly. You think our primitive ancestors 4000 years ago would've let the snow and cold stop them getting their doof on?
what kind of music? Music that has the glowing sacred heart that the Goa music that started this whole thing has.
About the $$? Yeah we need it, but it's better to make it off of people outside the community than inside it. Im afraid I dont have many ideas on the $ front.
what should the crowd do?
Bring people into the party scene who have something to offer.
Balance staying postive and being real. Its a hard balance.
Remember that whatever differences we have, we are a community and we're better off with eachother than without eachother, even if at times we may doubt it.
I think the sample in Space Tribe: Dance Like Nobody's watching puts it best:
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Instructions for life, Take into account that great love and great achievements involve great risk. When you lose, don't lose the lesson. Respect for self, respect for others, and responsibility for all your actions. Learn the rules so you know how to break them properly. Open your arms to change, but don't let go of your values. Spend some time alone every day. Approach love with reckless abandon. Share your knowledge, it's a way to achieve immortality. Be gentle with the earth. Dance like nobody's watching..
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BrianH
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Posted : Aug 16, 2006 18:35
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If you are having trouble with attendence look to work with large existing parties in a side room or find a venue with a bar that isn't normally open at night but has a lot of street traffic. If the venue has two rooms, that is perfect. Just do trance/house/prog in one room and psy in the other. The people who don't know much about psy will collect in the trance/house room, some of them will trickle in for the psy. Even if not a whole lot of people show up for the psy there at least will be some energy in the party from the other people. This worked very well for us.
Finding a solid venue is very tough, but once you've found a good one you are golden... provided they don't screw up their liquor license and get shut down after you have only thrown two parties there. 
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begin2012end
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Here I am with a new ID. Answering the question as the participant inside me. Not just nice argument but some concrete steps, practical things, little things that can make huge difference …
So, here are the things (very practical, small steps) that I am doing or trying to do (you can skip directly to the Money things if do not want to spend reading the whole crap ... )
Digital Camera
Many of my tracers friends are still using old camera as they never have enough money to by digital one (BTW I hv seen the best pictures from them). It is costing them so much for prints and next party half of their photos are taken away by friends like me. After loosing 3 digital cameras I was about to spend $300+ for one more. Instead of that I have bought 4 cameras from a deal below (it used to be $79.99 before last weekend)
http://www.jr.com/JRProductPage.process?Product=4024822
I am investing for tracers, hopefully they will replay and if not than at least I will have visual records (digital photos) of some invaluable movements time to time again and I will not be losing anymore cameras and will not have to worry about spending time in taking pictures and enjoy each and every movements of event to celebrate our existence.
[Looking for sponsors to donate xD-picture memory card ;-) …. ]
Air Tickets – biggest eater of our money
A DJ / Promoter friend commented that most of our money is going to Airlines, flying artist. Necessary evil. After my quest to get good discount for 30-40 people air trip from NYC to Ashville for Ka-Pow, after dealing with 4 airlines booking department – I totally see how expensive is flying business. I have no solution right now but I will ask all my contacts who preferred to go into big business schools 8 years back instead of a geek career!
Wireless internet at festival & parties – Yes it is useful
From TDC CK3SKA onwards I will be coming with a laptop and Verizon board band wireless card that works on mobile signal and give upto half a speed of DSL. I am kind of attending almost all festivals and big parties (mostly feasible to travel from NYC, however I am not shy of flying anywhere for good events). So DJs, organizers, participants – get hold of me if you need to use internet (hopefully it will work at most of the places!)
[Dimitry, lets talk about video transmission between festival in Colorado and EarthDance]
Ride – I wanna go to party but looking for ride!
Unofficially I arrange ride for around 10 people on an average during Pine Barrens / Gaian Mind / TDC Fest without having car. I spend more than couple of hours on phone, on email, on text msg during all Pine Barrens party – would like to better spend this time for organized effort for ride that cover all and not just a small part of people I know (I guess the one who don’t know many trancers are the one having biggest problem of getting ride) Also looking for more Grisha with a van and heart of angel. This summer 4 of my friends came to open air party/festival in Grisha’s van without me riding with them (all different events) AND they are so happy to find such good people making them feel at home during their first event itself. They are coming to more events.
Basement / Loft / Studio – Our own community place
This is under discussion since long. On the same line as our great 55 Lex loft, here is a little different idea. Rent a cheap basement as weekend / free time place for us. Where we can play loud music, do after parties and rest of the time it’s going to be home for artist and others visiting NYC. Some far away place in Brooklyn or somewhere. 3-4 sponsor contributing $200-400 a month, looking for weekend trance home and we are all set (I already have 2 ready and 1 more in pipe-line). If it works than we can expand it to a recording studio and create a nice place accommodation for artist coming to Newyork.
Money – necessary evil
One of the biggest problem is the money. Sometime organizer need to charge big entry as the cost is too high. Don’t take this in wrong way but ‘Trance community is one the most poor community’. If I can help even couple of trancers every year to get their social and economical life back onto track that will be the biggest investment as with balanced life they will be spreading the virus. When you bring a new friend to the event and introduce to your friends AND when they realize that most of them are having a really balanced life and growing amazingly in their social and trace life, making best of the both – THAN chances are high that they will seriously start thinking.
Ooh few small practical ideas I am working on:
(a) Working with a friend to sale (not sale but ‘donation appreciated’) photocopy of free books and articles with permission from publishers/authors at festivals. That will cover cost of couple of friends with financial difficulties. [Need help, volunteers PM or email at tracein@gmail.com]
(b) Working on an idea with a full time student and part time photographer friend to set up a website putting tons of pictures of each event that can be emailed to you as full size photos and prints at very nominal price. Trance parties providing living to students. Interested, again PM or email me]
(c) I can do a nice Pine Barrens kind of party at least once a year on my own, by flying 2-3 good DJs if I can stop smoking cigarette. Toughest part! Remind me of this when you next time see me smoking ;-)
(d) I am seriously concentrating on brining all friends from school, college and old jobs. Friends who I think is going to like our scene and will add value to the community. So far constraint was that, I don’t want them to see me in a state that some of them will not like. However I am not worried of it anymore as the experience at WorldBride last weekend has shown me that ‘The Music is the Real BULE PILL’. They will see me going nuts on the dance floor but just because of the effect of Music and nothing else. Now I can invite all of my cool colleagues who are spending their time and money in after office hours drinking parties. For example, I am doing a small reunion of my cousin’s group – a group of 15-20 young, energetic, well balanced kids(!) who completed masters in 2005 from one of the best school and working all over the country.
(e) Setting up a small group that can help genuine organizer if they loose money due to unforeseen events (a lesson learnt after WorldBridge). A group that work on ancillary work streams to make organizers job easy. So that artiest just need to concentrate on art and not to worry about ride & bus trips / laborious job of colleting garbage at the end when they are really exhausted / about accommodation for artist and pick up from airport / …. So many things …….
There are tons of ideas but I need to keep doing my day job instead of writing big post on isra (and I am not sure if it is really worth spending so much time on what is going to be just one more huge post).
If you have made it so far, write what you can practically do.
PM or email (trancein@gmail.com) if you are looking to help OR need help
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