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not a promotional thing or who is the best uk producer?

tohm ohm


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Posted : Sep 16, 2004 17:53
i just noticed someone, john, observing that most of the posts in the uk section of isratrance are promoting parties or bigging up simon p. (totally fair enough...) so i'm going to pose a question totally unrelated to previous said issues...that is one concerning sociology: why is it, does anyone think, that the vast majority of uk psy trance heads went to public schools? (i am one of them...)...please don't get offended if you didn't go public school...
Dj Chris Planet
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Posted : Sep 16, 2004 20:01
Now that is a good question, i do agree many of the people who run labels and organize parties are educated, which says something about the music, doesn,t it           Let us take you on a journey, that will take you from are small world stage and orbit you beyond our fragile planet......
John
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Posted : Sep 16, 2004 21:38
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On 2004-09-16 20:01, Dj Chris Planet wrote:
Now that is a good question, i do agree many of the people who run labels and organize parties are educated, which says something about the music, doesn,t it




Now thats a different answer to the question asked... Having gone to a public school is not quite the same as being educated!!

Its a very interesting question. I think the northern scene is a bit different (but then again techno is far more popular up here than psy) but theres no denying that overall the UK scene is rather quite posh indeed...

Maybe its the ties ins with world travel & that - until recently - gap years were very much a public school idea.

Maybe its the onesize fits all alt lifestyle that goes with psy that makes rebelling easy (but in quite a safe way)

Maybe its like attacts like (and no matter how much anyone pretends its all about the music - parties are about being with people you feel comfortable with more than anything)

But I'd be very curious to hear the views of everyonelse out there...

John

(Catholic Grammar School that then changed to a Comprehensive when I was in my second year if anyone is really interested...)
björn


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Posted : Sep 18, 2004 14:19
Hello! What do you mean by public schools?
John
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Posted : Sep 18, 2004 17:18
This thread will be very confusing to anyone from outside the UK!!

In the UK - "Public Schools" are actually private fee-paying schools.

(thats the simplified version... there are whole areas of social history and sociology given over to their, and the class system in general, effect on UK society)
björn


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Posted : Sep 19, 2004 15:32
So I guess the question you are asking is why psytrance seems to attract people from a middle and upper class background?
I think its a fact that it does, and you can even link this back to the sixties, when the hippie movement was very much a middleclass thing.
During my travels around trance world, more or less everybody I met seems to come from a academic background, at least a large amount of them (including me).
Maybe " working class" people dont really have that choice of go out travelling, borrowing or getting money of there parents and in that way come in contact with trance, for exemple like in Goa?
Do I make sense?
And here is another thing I always wondred about... Why isnt there any black people involved in the scene? Maybe because of same reasons...?
brij


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Posted : Sep 19, 2004 22:11
This is a question I have often wanted to ask, but for some reason felt it wouldn't be appreciated. I like many people on this forum went to one of the public schools
A couple of potential answers:


1. Perhaps the reason is somewhat cyclical, in that the people who started up the record labels and put on the original parties went to public school (and thus had the resources to fund a record label). They then invited their friends along (more public school). Others who came found out about parties by word of mouth, perhaps their (old) school friends.


2. (and this answer is designed to make an academic trancedancer feel good about themselves) Perhaps the type of music appeals to a person of a higher intellectual capacity and stimulates parts of their brain that other styles cannot. ( It has been said that solving maths equations and listening to psytrance has similar effects).


I think that the psytrance industry and everything it carries with it is appealing, to someone who grows up in the the expectant world of the middle classes, as a form of rebellion. The psytrance society is supposedly very welcoming (occasionally this is wishful thinking, but often found to be the case), although recently I have been to parties that felt somewhat snobbish, with people ironically complaining about somebody's accent being too common.

I also think that this is why psytrance parties tend to be the cleanest type of raves.
björn


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Posted : Sep 20, 2004 22:31
By the way.. Did Simon Posford go to a public school?
Paulbenn
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Posted : Sep 21, 2004 02:38
I can agree with Brij's easy rebellion thing.

But here's my question - If we get into psytrance partly because of travel to countries where it's actually *big*, then what's the social mix of psytrance fans in, say, Brazil? India? Do any Indians like psytrance, or is it all non-Indian settlers from industrialised countries? How about Palestinians?

I suspect a big part of the reason is just money and hardware. Trance comes on CD. Middle class people can afford CD decks, CDs, computers, decent speakers, broadband connections, foreign travel, unusual drugs. People who aren't, can't.



Paulbenn
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Posted : Sep 21, 2004 02:43
By the way I thought Glade had a wider mix of people than your average JUST psytrance party.
tom anteater
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Posted : Sep 21, 2004 11:25
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On 2004-09-20 22:31, björn wrote:
By the way.. Did Simon Posford go to a public school?



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bRaNdSkI


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Posted : Sep 21, 2004 17:23
I agree most of the ENGLISH psy-heads at UK parties tend to be public school thanks to pioneers like Posford and the Rhino boys but I disagree with where the reasoning seems to be coming from. I've been to parties around the world and you'll definitely find that the majority of party people in India,Brazil,Portugal, Israel are certainly not. The whole point of psy-trance is it creates a universal vibe to which people can relate regardless of race, nationality , religion or social background,( something which we see represented so wonderfully in the London underground scene). Bjorn and Cris my friends one doesnt have to belong to a certain social set to appreciate trance more. I myself am proud that i was brought up on a council estate, went to comprehensive school, have been going to psy parties for years now and loved every minute of them !!!

oh and one final question for tohm ohm ..one which is also as you say.. comcerning sociology. Why is it, does anyone think that the majority of scag heads in West London went to public school?...please dont get offended if you did go.

P.L.U.R
sparkozoid


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Posted : Sep 21, 2004 17:35
Well said bRaNdSki,

Btw, this thread is lame (imho)

tohm ohm


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Posted : Sep 21, 2004 17:46
i don't know much about the smack scene in london so i can't really say, but its probably something to do with "the british public schools and heroin" act of 1912 which was designed to get public school boys hopelessly addicted to the horse as they thought it would help things. somehow. needless to say, or should i say needles to say (ba boom tss...i'll get me coat), every night at school our dorms would be hooked up to a communal i.v scag drip hence i now have a monkey on my back the size of king kong. mmm, i love heroin. so sparkozoid, what would you rather talk about: how great simon posford is? or the time you smoked some d.m.t and united with the cosmos before your head went so far up your bott-ohm that all you could talk about was the latest unreleased tune by some wanker whose not addicted to heroin and didn't go to public school...
tohm ohm


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Posted : Sep 21, 2004 17:49
oooh yes posford is a genius (i'm not being sarcy) and sorry if the tone of my previous post is a bit edgy but i'm in a very bad mood. because i don't have any smack.
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