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nice article about Goa in the NY times
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Voice of All
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Posted : Dec 18, 2006 12:21
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The original idea of the scene was that no matter religion, race, sexual orientation all are welcome and there is not ideology or fashion behind the scene and there are no official spokespeople. But the scene very fast got hijacked by those who could not tolerate that it was a scene with no boundaries. They had to drag in their views and spiritual ideologies and make themself the spokespeople of the goa trance scene. That day it happened was the day Goa trance died.
maybe scene is not connected realy to religion but there definetely is connection. no matter was it original or not. for those who not interested in religion view, mind expanding and other things it will be always a problem to see all these "shiva-blablabla" parts of the scene. and yes it seems like waay too profanish and not so deep aproach nowaday but you know it only for those who doesnt care about such things. and there are still people who came in psy-trance and staying within it exactly because of its spiritual content and psychoactive-oriented nature. maybe today's fashion and commercial boom of the scene is not represent those matters right way but i still have a chance to percept it through those frames cause for me its essential. why i need it if there is nothing but just one more genre that is about 'everything and nothing'? yes i think that this situation is real perspective of psy-trance but when i was starting to listen to it i was attracted by this side indeed. and who cares that nowaday many people dont want to recognize this connection? for me it was important in the begining and important now... but i understand that this connection is only image that was created somehow in the past and also understand that it is not very deep and concentrated. but it have to be so i think. slightly connected with music religion still stays religion and there is no problem that music is not represent it enough or most perfect way. it is only music not a religion itself. but religion and mind expanding orientation is definitely those sides of psy-trance that are important for many people.
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Janux
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Posted : Dec 18, 2006 12:36
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@Trippy Johnny,
I agree with most of your views, but some of your dissapointments are unavoidable,
for example you agreed that substances and trance culture go hand in hand, but then you complain that how come every person that is interviewed is 'pro substances' well its probably just probability or something like that.
anyway, the fashion part of the culture you talk about is very true and is dissapointing.
so you've been around in the goa scene since 1993. I wonder, have we met? I've been around the scene there since 1985. (at that time i was 7 years old and my parents were the ones more in the scene i guess  ) but i'm still around and go there every year... i'm sure we know many of the same people....
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Outolintu
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Then the UK scene made Goatrance popular in a commercial way and at this time names such as Raja Ram, Goa Gil (not from UK) etc. etc. became popular in a much broader sense.
In my opinion Goatrance or psytrance died the day it beceame mainstream and adopted various fashion ideas that tried to make people look the same instead of holding on to the IMO beautiful "ideology" that people should be individual - also fashionwise.
It also died the day commercial interests took over. I do not say it was preventable but it changed the way the scene was and the ride began toward what it is today.
Eventhough i do not really like the word "ideology" I have to use it to describe how the scene started out and what it became today. It's all linked together.
So yes to me the ideology died out quite early and made a scene go from totally free and independant to a scene where PR, commercials, fashion, polls etc. ect. set the agenda. (hence the stament : goa trance died)
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so i got into the scene when it died for you  if there wouldn't have been the uk scene there wouldn't have been blue room, dragonfly, flying rhino, tip and all the other great labels that released THE tracks and albums which have made an irreversible effect on let's say the majority of psytrance listeners (i think one can say it like this?). so it should have stayed on the level of dat trading where only the few and honoured artists and djs owned the right to play out loud the music? i think the dat rat period was as much marked by hierarchy as the scene today. just different tools to achieve the sense of power. so i think the problem is not in the scene but in the nature of humankind. maybe you should feel lucky that you had your utopia for 1-3 years. some don't get to live it at all .
why do you keep banging your head against the wall in this scene? it died for you atleast 10 years ago. maybe you should just let go and move on?
(...and i meant it as friendly advice. i've been thinking about it myself too.)
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TrippyJohnny
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Posted : Dec 18, 2006 14:40
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On 2006-12-18 13:42, Outolintu wrote:
maybe you should just let go and move on?
(...and i meant it as friendly advice. i've been thinking about it myself too.) |
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I left i ages ago. I am just debating. I hope it's ok to debate even though I do not consider myself part of that scene anymore?
I did not say the music died out when you entered the scene. Heck I was part of the artists at that time too even though I never considered my music as "Goa trance" and even though people labeled it that way. I said to me and others the "ideology" died out.
To Janux. Again you fail to see that my comment about the pro drug people in interviews was just an example and not a statment against drugs.
But please do not put words in my mouth and say I agree that drugs goes hand in hand with the culture. I never believed in that view.
I am not sure we met. I was one of the ones that rather go to South America than Goa
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Spiritual_mind
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What have you contributed to this world in order to make it a better place to live in .
Do you consider your achievements worthwhile to give the pride with which you listen to the music and take a puff of the chillum a meaning .
Are you humble enough to appreciate the fact that many a great men have stepped on this earth, each leaving his footprint on the sands of time, trying to find answers to the dilemmas our Earth have been faced with for centuries .
Do you understand the difference of applying yourself, vis-à-vis just soaking up the best of what this world has to offer .
Does your life have meaning .
If the author of the article can answer positive to any one of the above, heck! I dont care if he does drugs or drinks orange juice, old freak or new age tech hippie, goes to South America or the Alps. Id still listen to him and not claim exclusivity because my parents are part of the culture since its inception .
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reger
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Posted : Dec 20, 2006 01:56
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respect to trippyjohnny |
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Andrew
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you may say "goa is dead" - I just want to say that I still prefer psy/goa trance people to people from other dance scenes. there's a friendliness, spirit and community which I'm sorry, but i just don't find in the house or hard trance scene. The spirit is still strong and I've learned plenty of wisdom in this trance scene. That's one of the reasons i still love it |
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Arronax
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On 2006-12-21 01:04, andrew wrote:
you may say "goa is dead" - I just want to say that I still prefer psy/goa trance people to people from other dance scenes. there's a friendliness, spirit and community which I'm sorry, but i just don't find in the house or hard trance scene. The spirit is still strong and I've learned plenty of wisdom in this trance scene. That's one of the reasons i still love it
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i agree with the community part.. it would be a mission impossible to see this kind of unity in house/hard trance or speedcore scene
but, unfortunately, on the other side... in the last few years, many "green tranceheads" appeared from nowhere, and sometimes i get a feeling that they're worse than bitchney fans..
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deejayridoo
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Posted : Dec 21, 2006 20:25
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On 2006-12-21 01:04, andrew wrote:
you may say "goa is dead" - I just want to say that I still prefer psy/goa trance people to people from other dance scenes. there's a friendliness, spirit and community which I'm sorry, but i just don't find in the house or hard trance scene. The spirit is still strong and I've learned plenty of wisdom in this trance scene. That's one of the reasons i still love it
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Same for me
I also agree that the fashion and ego side in the scene suck, but I do believe that besides "Dance, be free and come as you are." (TrippyJohnny) there is this spiritual psychedelic focus.
Hence fractal art and fluoro culture as well as mysterious moods and fareast melodies and/or weird sounds are the physical emanations of the psychedelic spirit.
If these things become fetish it´s the end and goa´s dead, that´s right. But open your eyes and I hope and believe you´ll still see "non-fetish" real psychedelic culture.
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TrippyJohnny
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It's easy to say theres no "community" spirit like the one in the psy/goa scene in other scenes when you have not been a part of those communities. Sorry no offense but it's silly to say there's no community spirit outside the psy/goa scene. As if the psy/goa scen had some sort of monopoly on the best most warm and welcomning cummnity. I seriously doubt it.
It's like when people in the goa/psy scene declare that psytrance is the best in the world and everything else is rubbish and commerical music is the devils work. Elitist and narrowminded thinking. IMO.
I have met wonderful openminded people in the house scene. And with big smiles on their faces while dancing to the music they love. And i can tell you they feel a true belonging and connection with other people into the same music as them. It's not exclusive for the psy community. The only difference is I never once heard any of them declare themself any better than any other scenes as I see so many people doing in the goa/psy scene all the time.
Music is the keyword here. And the share of the music..
NOT mumbo jumbo spiriitual overused cliches and fashionable Bom Shankar frazes used by a huge number of people who never went to Inidia in the first place.
Let's be real for once. It's cool to be "spiritual" in the psy/goa scene and know how to pass the bong in the right direction and to know how to say the right words.. But at the end of the day it's just a Fashion. There's no deeper values or meaning to it for the majority of the people that use these "cool" expressions and learn to pass the bong while saying mantras and "Bom". They just want to belong and be IN".
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Posted : Dec 21, 2006 22:29
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On 2006-12-21 21:21, TrippyJohnny wrote:
I have met wonderful openminded people in the house scene. And with big smiles on their faces while dancing to the music they love. And i can tell you they feel a true belonging and connection with other people into the same music as them. It's not exclusive for the psy community. The only difference is I never once heard any of them declare themself any better than any other scenes as I see so many people doing in the goa/psy scene all the time.
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I agree with a lot of what you've said in this thread TrippyJohnny, but that last part of your quote is just simply untrue: I've heard lots of people from the house scene speak in degrading terms about other genres of music and other musical scenes - including psytrance and the psytrance scene.
I am not saying that either scene is better or worse in that matter though, just that narrow-minded people exist everywhere, in every scene. DJ pr0fane (Iboga Records) | Multiphase
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On 2006-12-21 01:04, andrew wrote:
psy/goa trance people to people from other dance scenes. there's a friendliness, spirit and community which I'm sorry, but i just don't find in the house or hard trance scene. The spirit is still strong and I've learned plenty of wisdom in this trance scene. That's one of the reasons i still love it
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AMEN
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Anytime there's association with spirituality you will find a holier than thou attitude with people. Weak people fall easily to the god complex.
Unfortunately it does permeate into the community and outsiders are shunned or ostrasized when they don't conform or kiss ass to the heirarchy. |
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Andrew
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On 2006-12-21 23:02, rich wrote:
Anytime there's association with spirituality you will find a holier than thou attitude with people. Weak people fall easily to the god complex.
Unfortunately it does permeate into the community and outsiders are shunned or ostrasized when they don't conform or kiss ass to the heirarchy.
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hiya... i don't so much mean 'spirituality' with my comment about trancers. It just seems there is more respect for each other and each others differences on the trance dancefloor, especially proper underground parties (eg squats here in UK). The more commercial the party the more I feel like I am in Soho with all the advertising people, lawyers and businessmen (commercial trance party as opposed to underground ones). You know what i mean? Sure, some people let the spirituality thing go to their heads, especially if they think they're in some sort of position of power, but for the most part social forces will rub this excessive ego away - no one really likes arrogance in the trance scene, whereas in other scenes and where I work in Soho it is accepted as a part of life. Don't get me wrong , I love house music etc, but maybe it's coz i'm piscean and am a sensitive soul (hehehehe) or maybe it's coz I'm originally from the nth of England that I prefer it when people are nice to each other... and I find theres more of that about in Psytrance. more respect for one another and ting...
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Janux
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On 2006-12-21 21:21, TrippyJohnny wrote:
Let's be real for once. It's cool to be "spiritual" in the psy/goa scene and know how to pass the bong in the right direction and to know how to say the right words.. But at the end of the day it's just a Fashion. There's no deeper values or meaning to it for the majority of the people that use these "cool" expressions and learn to pass the bong while saying mantras and "Bom". They just want to belong and be IN".
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actually, in Goa atleast, and the psy scenes all over i've experienced, being 'spiritual' is not really considered 'cool'... actually people acting spiritual are often made fun of.
acting spiritual, is usually. acting.
if you wanna get spiritual, just dance.
an evil aggressive dance is as spiritual as a happy peaceful dance...
(and i dont mean continue acting while you dance, i mean the spiritual world is usually an internal world, a world outside spoken words... and dance is perfect, its an external projection of an internal situation... without words, but done to the same music as the human beings around you.... so its individual & communal)
but yes, on the sidelines, passing the chilum the correct direction will always have its rules... heh heh. why not, i just look at it as a way of just knowing where to pass it... but i know what you mean about it becoming almost a political situation.
its in these 'side lines' that all the talking happens, all the judgements, all the psudo-spiritual behaviour, all the 'hard core' behaviour, all the too-cool-to-dance behaviour, and all the 'music-sucks' behaviour, and all the people chilling and having a good time, And yet all these people standing around would never be there if people werent dancing on the dancefloor. And the people on the dancefloor would have no place to go if the sidelines were not there. they both need each other i guess.
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