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nice article about Goa in the NY times
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Janux
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nice article!
i like that part:
"Underpinned by a rapid-fire drumbeat and punishing basslines, the many layers of dark, minor-key synthesizers open cyclonic swells of sound. Strange snippets of speech, scarcely recognizable, float across the mix and fade."
and that one:
"According to legend, Shiva —Hinduism's supreme creator and destroyer — once played a game of dice against his wife, Parvati, and lost everything. Dejected and unburdened of his worldly things, he did what many have done since: he took refuge in Goa, on the spot of this very temple. Parvati eventually followed and beseeched him to return. He agreed, and they were reunited.
Shiva, you might say, came to Goa, changed his mind, then changed his ways. "
mmm, familiar? 
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Shiva, you might say, came to Goa, changed his mind, then changed his ways. "
mmm, familiar?
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fashionably written for a sertain crowd, but no repreezent goa huh...this man/woman stayed in baga somehwere, ;istens to breabeat, had a first-time assignment, better write a book, the trip was paid-for, stayed a week, filed the story last season, they print it now coz of israel foreign ministry thing
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Posted : Dec 17, 2006 03:03
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Very nice read indeed.... For once i see an article on Goa that doesnt go on an assault if u know wat i mean!
Thanx Janux
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"According to legend, Shiva —Hinduism's supreme creator and destroyer — once played a game of dice against his wife, Parvati, and lost everything. Dejected and unburdened of his worldly things, he did what many have done since: he took refuge in Goa, on the spot of this very temple. Parvati eventually followed and beseeched him to return. He agreed, and they were reunited.
"Shiva, you might say, came to Goa, changed his mind, then changed his ways"
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psionic nomad
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Posted : Dec 17, 2006 07:49
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i always knew that Shiva meditated in the mountains and spent most of his time there but had no idea he spent sometime in goa as well......now i see why goa is so especial for some people...old time memories eh? for shiva's sake lets go goa
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It's funny (and very predictable) that every time you see an article about Goa trance (in this case the very onesided interviews) it's eigther written by some tree-hugger who like to think he or she is the "true" interpretator of Goa / psy trance or those who are interviewd are carefully selected to feed the stereotype image of a "goa trance freak".
I do not know how many articles I have seen over the past 10-12 years and all written with the same shiva bom shankar enlightment lingo when the focus is on Goa and the music. As if Goa is everything these day anyways. Frankly I find it very sad and this is exactly why Goa trance is stone cold dead. When a minority of people in a scene hijack the media and declare themself the rightful "owners" of a scene with their "truth" the rest of the people who do not share their views and interpretation of the music and scene, the majority actually, will soon leave to seek more openminded scenes where there is room for a broader view on things and less elitism.
It's funny that no one ever asked the majority of people in the long gone goa trance scene to describe the scene and published it. The treehugger "shiva boom shankar we are oh so enlightened" minority always seem to win on that account which in the end paint a very wrong picture of a scene that must now be declared dead or on it's knees.
It's exactly as when the focus is on the drugs. Those who do not do drugs will never be interviewed and those who do drugs are more than keen to promte the wonder of the drug world and make it seem like everybody are on drugs in the psytrance scene. The treehuggers do the same when they falsly think they speak for the whole scene in such interviews.
The end result is that the Media has painted and once again paint a very wrong image of the late goa trance scene and the rest of the world are told wrong facts based on a minority's world view.
Ps! I am only commenting on the parts in the article that focus on the goa trance scene and music. http://www.peopleagainstpeace.net/ |
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On 2006-12-17 08:14, TrippyJohnny wrote:
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Well... then how come I was interviewed on every possible media- TV, Movies, Radio, Web, Newspapers, Academic works?
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On 2006-12-17 08:14, TrippyJohnny wrote:
It's exactly as when the focus is on the drugs. Those who do not do drugs will never be interviewed |
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Well... then how come I was interviewed on every possible media- TV, Movies, Radio, Web, Newspapers, Academic works?
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True but I also think that Israel is very unique when it come to the general interest and knowledge about the scene. You can't really compare Israel with other countries.
I was more thinking about Europe (and the rest of the world) and here it seem to be the oposite. Especially in Scandinavia, UK, Germany, France etc. etc.
When you read an article or see someone on TV speaking about goa/psy I can guarantee you that in 99% it's some freak that eigther praise drugs or start the enlightened bom shiva mumbo jumbo lingo. And as I wrote in my earlier post that paint a false picture about the whole scene and only show a minority's views (except for the drugs use maybe).
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the truth is that now days Goa is not only about goa-trance.
yes the lifestyle and party-style that originated in Goa & created the goa vibe is the trance scene (even though the goa vibe started before trance music existed... its the lifestyle there that created the roots of trance)
however if you go to Goa and move around a bit you will see that there are many many many more scenes there than just the trance scene. There are people partying/relaxing in goa 15 minutes away from Anjuna / Vagator / Chapora who have never heard trance music and dont know what it is.
so when someone like NY times (located on the other side of the world, not just 15 minutes away)writes an article about Goa there are bound to be
some trance people who dont like the way things are said....
and whats this about 'enlightened shiva mumbo jumbo' ? Dont you think that the parts of Indian philosophy / ways of thinking / mysticism are part of what creates an environment in India that could give birth to a scene & way of thinking?
--yes i agree that some people might make shallow remarks about things like Shiva etc... or could be saying such things without a clue of what they are talking about--- but that doesn't mean that what Shiva represents does not exist in the minds of people today.
if people travel half way around the world to come to India for whatever reason, obviously Indian philosophy & mysticism is going to rub off on them, and it should.
one of the images of creation in Hindusim, is the dancing Shiva (Nataraja) Shiva is dancing, and in his right hand is the symbol of creation : a drum, which is known for a repetitive beat & rhythm. He is dancing on a demon which represents human illusion. He is destroying the demon.
now you can see how a trance person can make all kinds of connections with this imagery (imagery which is a result of thousands of years of mystical wisdom) So I think people are allowed to make a connection to Shiva.
if this Shiva thing is too spiritual for you, take a more scientific quantum physics approach to sound, movment, rhythm, time, & perception, and use them to disect the dancing Shiva and you will come to all the same answers.
oh, and also, sorry to inform you but mind altering / perception hightening / twisting, eye opening substances have always been a part of the trance scene, so pls dont kid yourself by accusing people for talking about these substances when talking about trance (i agree sometimes people talk about them in a bad way, but thats their point of view)
I am not saying everyone in the scene is into substances. the people who take them are taking them to use them, and the people who arent probably dont need to anymore because they have already learnt / experienced what they have to show and dont need any more. Others never start but that does not mean that they dont understand what these substances have to offer when it comes to breaking down the walls we build in our heads.
all substance can be used in positive ways, and all the same substances if used too much, become negative. everyone has their own balance. some find it some dont.
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Posted : Dec 17, 2006 21:34
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Janux you obviously did not get the idea behind my post. or did not read it carefully enough.
I never questioned the use of substances. Heck I did not even debate if it's good or bad to use drugs. What I did was commenting that whenever you see an article about the goa scene in most cases the interviews are with people who are pro drugs which in my opinion paint a way too narrowminded picture about a global scene. The drug reference was not directed at this article but just used as a example to underline the point.
I also did not question the Indian religion. I do question the overuse (fashion) of indian religion in the goa/psy scene simply because the majority who use these words and terms got no clue about their meaning whatsoever.
But back on track. The essense and what I questioned in my post was the fact that 99% of all articles about Goa and Goa/psytrance are or has been written by a minority who think they hold the "truth" to how the scene should be like and what values that are "right". Hence my use of "Treehuggers" and "shiva boom shankar we are oh so enlightened mumbo jumbo lingo".
No offense but I simply do not agree with their world views and never have. And I was a big part of the Goa scene alongside so many others. So why should their elitist views make up the whole ideology and be the "Vision" and Image of a scene where there are so many other views and visions?
The only result we get/got from this onesided "we are the spokesmen/women of the goa scene" was and is a press and public that think everybody listening to this music are treehuggers and in some sort of cult.
One example. Goa Gil come to Denmark and play. He is interviwed to the Danish national TV News (good PR work from the Organizers) and what do we hear and see? Him and his "save the world via healing" speach and watching him do his "magical" healing and salvation of his DAD players before he goes on.
Hardly a picture of a whole scene and their views. And frankly not what the majority believe in.
But Mr. and Mrs. Denmark and the whole press think this is what goes on in the scene. The brandmark is roasted into the flesh of all those who listen/listened to the music. They have been marked as "spiritual followers" of a new cult/religion.
I have been around in this scene since 1993 and do not just grab this out of thin air. On the contrary I would find it very refreshing if the next article brought in views from other people than the usual "goa freak elite". That day still remain to be seen.
The original idea of the scene was that no matter religion, race, sexual orientation all are welcome and there is not ideology or fashion behind the scene and there are no official spokespeople. But the scene very fast got hijacked by those who could not tolerate that it was a scene with no boundaries. They had to drag in their views and spiritual ideologies and make themself the spokespeople of the goa trance scene. That day it happened was the day Goa trance died.
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On 2006-12-17 21:34, TrippyJohnny wrote:
The original idea of the scene was that no matter religion, race, sexual orientation all are welcome and there is not ideology or fashion behind the scene and there are no official spokespeople. But the scene very fast got hijacked by those who could not tolerate that it was a scene with no boundaries. They had to drag in their views and spiritual ideologies and make themself the spokespeople of the goa trance scene. That day it happened was the day Goa trance died.
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i got curious when did this happen in your opinion? because i think that goa trance had a spiritual ideology (plur), fashion (uv-clothing [spacetribe], dreads...) and spokespeople (raja ram, goa gil...) of it's own in 1995 already so did it die before that for you?
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On 2006-12-17 21:34, TrippyJohnny wrote:
The original idea of the scene was that no matter religion, race, sexual orientation all are welcome and there is not ideology or fashion behind the scene and there are no official spokespeople. But the scene very fast got hijacked by those who could not tolerate that it was a scene with no boundaries. They had to drag in their views and spiritual ideologies and make themself the spokespeople of the goa trance scene. That day it happened was the day Goa trance died.
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i got curious when did this happen in your opinion? because i think that goa trance had a spiritual ideology (plur), fashion (uv-clothing [spacetribe], dreads...) and spokespeople (raja ram, goa gil...) of it's own in 1995 already so did it die before that for you? |
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The space tribe clothing was a symbol that the goa/psy scene gave in to commercial forces. Spacetribe clothes was one of the first indicators that the scene now had an official fashion policy. Soon after their clothes could be found in many mainstrean shops and more and more people started to look the same in the parties.
The beginning of Goa trance (I prefer to call it psychedelic trancee though) have/had very little to do with ideologies except for one ideology. Dance, be free and come as you are.
Then the UK scene made Goatrance popular in a commercial way and at this time names such as Raja Ram, Goa Gil (not from UK) etc. etc. became popular in a much broader sense.
In my opinion Goatrance or psytrance died the day it beceame mainstream and adopted various fashion ideas that tried to make people look the same instead of holding on to the IMO beautiful "ideology" that people should be individual - also fashionwise.
It also died the day commercial interests took over. I do not say it was preventable but it changed the way the scene was and the ride began toward what it is today.
Eventhough i do not really like the word "ideology" I have to use it to describe how the scene started out and what it became today. It's all linked together.
So yes to me the ideology died out quite early and made a scene go from totally free and independant to a scene where PR, commercials, fashion, polls etc. ect. set the agenda. (hence the stament : goa trance died)
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