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New phenomena in the scene.

patrick
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Posted : Apr 8, 2003 11:53
i dont like to put music to much in labels like trance, house, elektro etc. but when u say timetech, vibrasphere and haldolium are pure house ure way off. take a good listen to some real house and u will hear very well the difference.
definitions are pretty useless anyway. what is psychedelic ? the doors? hallucinogen? or both? its a pretty subjective case what u think is psy and whats not.
dont try to put labels on everything thats my motto...
Candy
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Posted : Apr 8, 2003 11:55
In that case Elysium if I understand correctly what you're saying - that even techno could be called trance, cause it has repetitive elements.

EP, you can get into trance from a lot of electronic music genres - techno / house etc. etc.
But trance music from its basic is psychedelic, and this new progressive trend isn't.           Majority is never right!

"Without music, life is meaningless."
-Friedrich Nietzsche
nobody_3
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Posted : Apr 8, 2003 12:07
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On 2003-04-08 11:55, RaverGirl wrote:
In that case Elysium if I understand correctly what you're saying - that even techno could be called trance, cause it has repetitive elements.

EP, you can get into trance from a lot of electronic music genres - techno / house etc. etc.
But trance music from its basic is psychedelic, and this new progressive trend isn't.




That's where you are wrong Ravergirl
Trance music (a main description of many genres) is not and never have been psychedelic...psychedelic trance is a sub genre to trance just as techno is a main description of music done by "artificial" instruments.

And a lot of music is "trance"... even a aboriginal beating on a wood block in the bush... It's all about repetition and getting into a "trance". And both Techno and progressive do that. No matter what the name of the music style is...so yes Techno and progressive is just as much trance as psychedelic trance or goa trance.....
Candy
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Posted : Apr 8, 2003 12:38
Then why are all of these c.ds been sold as "psytrance" if it's not?
Take a look at psyshop, psynews etc. etc. - this kind of "progressive trance" is being sold as psytrance music.
Take a look at the latest Haldolium c.d on Psyshop - it's written "Style: Psytrance".
          Majority is never right!

"Without music, life is meaningless."
-Friedrich Nietzsche
nobody_3
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Posted : Apr 8, 2003 12:48
Because people like to categorise music and because most onlien shops got no clue what to categorise the wide amount of music under... There are so much music sold which cross the borders and therefore it's hard for the shops to categorise it.... that's why the sell it as psytrance ect........You should not get so much into what style the music is but if it's music that you like or not.....
Too many people are way too stuck up in genres !
lucid_dream


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Posted : Apr 8, 2003 12:48
with all respect to psyshop
it doesnt mean if they write haldolium is psytrance that it is

they call 90% of the music psy even if its not!

          reality is the weirdest dream
Panzer


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Posted : Apr 8, 2003 15:02
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On 2003-04-08 01:25, kaz wrote:
Then maybe when I say that this house influence in trance is just a trend that doesn't communicate with many people who are into trance for it's special twisted ideas. With all due respect - people who like house can communicate with that. I want to communicate with something else, and this trend is taking it away.



Thats why Zombi probably says that is easier to convert newcomers cause it isn't that much different than the house and techno they already know.
Goa is a different kettle. I converted quite a few who weren't into electronic music at all and were surprised that electronic music could be so deep and weird. If I play some progressive, those same people wonder whats so special about it...

The history of Psytrance reminds me somewhat of Pink Floyd. Started out very psychedelic and weird under the magical hat of Syd Barret...Then they dropped him and most of the psychedelica and slowly but surely they became a mainstream act. Still good but with many disappointed who wished Syd was still there.
Borris
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Posted : Apr 8, 2003 15:24
Well, I support Shahar on the good music thing.

Late 99 I started working as a photographer for newzeek mag and they started sending me to photograph house parties as well. (Till then I was a Goa purist)
I found out that there is alot of house that does it to me same way as trance does. I was (and still am) a minority in this point of view but as long as it has a good groove, inteligent precussion work, a good bassline and an ocasional melody or up-break I'm game for it.
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lucid_dream


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Posted : Apr 8, 2003 15:37
i dont care which music it is as long as i like it
it can be cows music as long as i care
and also i like house as long as u put the cheezy vocals in the side
also house, trance and tecno can be repeatetive music.
and this repeat of the beats not matter which kind makes u get into TRANCE.           reality is the weirdest dream
Maya bee
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Posted : Apr 8, 2003 15:50
well well DR.borris
white oll the respeact
How come that i am going to party ,
and void playing there and in the middle of the treck and the deancing you hear house beat and you standing and said haaa,
so i loved how void played in the last party of shaffel, but i think that mixing bitween hous &
trance canot take you deep whaile you dencing.

Recpect

Borris
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Posted : Apr 8, 2003 16:09
Mayes, It realy depends how it's done.
if you put one house track in the midle of a full on set then it probably won't work. but if you know how to mix your set, keep it flowing then it works.           Kinetic Honda GmbH, Worldwide Supliers of Quality noise.
Progression Sessions of the 3rd Empire!
Rotor
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Posted : Apr 8, 2003 16:11
ok just wanted to tell my view of things too

when ppl say here that Haldolium and Timetech for example are pure house music then they dont even know nothing about real house music .

and about the "trance" thing , liked the words of Elysium when he said even the drum of a caveman can get you into trance when you listen to it , everything wich is hypnotising creates a state of mind like trance ... and IMO a groovy Son Kite(for example) track can get a human body and Soul more easy into trance then a 145bpm running noise burner ....

and about "psychedelic" well you dont even know what the ppl are like who are doing music mostly so you dont even know about their live styles too ... so when you listen to an Hux Flux track you think wow he probably was on acid when he did this track , but who says its true ? maybe he just knows how to do some funny things ... but he wasnt "on" by every track he made ... so to call things psychedelic or not is a difficult thing imo coz some ppl who are doing music and had several experiences with hallucinogenes and with the years they stopped using it , but make still psychedelic music coz its into themselves

also i think someone can make psychedelic music even if he was never "on" any hallucinogene substances ...

Zombi
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Posted : Apr 8, 2003 18:28
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On 2003-04-08 15:24, Dr. Borris wrote:
Late 99 I started working as a photographer for newzeek mag and they started sending me to photograph house parties as well. (Till then I was a Goa purist)



haha, true Borris, i remember u with a newzeek t-shirt walking between ppl in zoom/oktapus/pacha and make that weird faces "what im doind here??" haha..
btw - its a time for a new magazine, isnt it ??

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Maya bee
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Posted : Apr 8, 2003 18:29
Dr.borris
I'm still thinking that mix bitwin trance and house
canot take me deep while I'm dancing
even if it's good mix.
But it's probebly a metter of tayst
Zombi
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Posted : Apr 8, 2003 18:41
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On 2003-04-08 10:54, kaz wrote:
Kiou: when there's nothing psychedelic in the music, it's not psytrance. Psychedelic is NOT a subgenre of psytrance - it's a REQUIREMENT.




i like trance.
some psy trance is nice, some goa trance is nice, some deep trance is nice, some progressive trance is nice etc etc ok ??
and i like all electronic genres as well.
and yes, im stuck on electronic, close mind i guess:)
          Believe your soul !
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