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Zombi
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Posted : Apr 7, 2003 22:23
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and one more for a topic itself - i think real phenomen is that psy trance growed up enough to make sometimes something that is realy absolute new and undefined, trancefeld and haldolium from last months, nobody realy can say what music is it hehe ... from very naive music of synth fluero lines trance became Music finaly, congrutilations for us all:)
thats not that juno's bible of dreams that playing here now not Music, but u know what i mean..  Believe your soul ! |
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Panzer
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Posted : Apr 7, 2003 23:43
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Funny that you mention 'Bible of Dreams'. An album that pushes psytrance in way more varied and weird directions than any progressive release thus far. So i do not understand what u mean actually.
Ben Watkins (Juno) collaborates with anyone and uses anything he can get a sound out, electronic or not. But of course heavily borrowing from commerically viable scenes such as house and techno is much more musically appealing.
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Zombi
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Posted : Apr 7, 2003 23:47
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On 2003-04-07 23:43, Panzer wrote:
Funny that you mention 'Bible of Dreams'. An album that pushes psytrance in way more varied and weird directions than any progressive release thus far. So i do not understand what u mean actually.
Ben Watkins (Juno) collaborates with anyone and uses anything he can get a sound out, electronic or not. But of course heavily borrowing from commerically viable scenes such as house and techno is much more musically appealing.
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i didnt ment any bad and enjoyed bible now for a hour 
throu switched to chrom on avalanche rec ep
bible is a bible for many not trance ppl as well, alot ppl i met in my life that wasnt trancers or trance listeners have this album, its a Music and wow how
but todays different tunes i play to same non trance ppl and its much easier get them interesting on what is going on
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R-E-L
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Posted : Apr 7, 2003 23:59
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Zombi
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Posted : Apr 8, 2003 01:06
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u know what i think two most deep mistakes of trance ?? is that its very "trendy" and thats very not communicative. those two enough stick music and not give it grow up. look at hardcore techno scene, its music have its "date" and from a date u know how it will sounds.. and its 0 communicative, so its leaves the parties with 97% of boys and 3% of weird girls.. not so kool imo..
on the other hand i play timetech or vibrasphere to 5 years old girl and she like it, smile and dance.. isnt it what for trance exist ?? (no, i dont meam that full club with mtv music at background reach high level of human communication, i mean smile and happy free dance and trance state of mind), and dont say its her own taste only:)
thats what make me feel very good, seeing it, feeling the happynest..
will u agree with me thats trance for a years like "bread", is good when its new and gets very fast nonrelevant ?? its a fat sign that music not good enough to be called Music, i hardly can listen to cds i bought 5 years before (and trust me i was not less selective in my shopping), for me its a red lamp:)
sure there is real things also..
with coming of progressive revolution mine cds became less outdate, its make me feel good also.. today if i buy trance i care it will be different enough and quality enough to keep me interested after 20 years also..
also try play trance with a bit volium turned down, ooops, u lost whole thing ah ?? another fuck up.. structure and flow not enough good to keep it interesting..
so again, thats why progressive do it for me..
but hey, im not talking about "scene" or something global, its only my own life
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Kaz
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Posted : Apr 8, 2003 01:25
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On 2003-04-08 01:06, Zombi Cocktail wrote:
u know what i think two most deep mistakes of trance ?? is that its very "trendy" and thats very not communicative.
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Then maybe when I say that this house influence in trance is just a trend that doesn't communicate with many people who are into trance for it's special twisted ideas. With all due respect - people who like house can communicate with that. I want to communicate with something else, and this trend is taking it away.
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Zombi
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Posted : Apr 8, 2003 01:35
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sure house influence is a trend, another and will change to new soon. i said something different ??
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Plan_B
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Posted : Apr 8, 2003 02:35
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I personally prefer the old Goa or Deep trance rather than ticon style, it has it's groove, but nothing can compare to the shiver a good ol Hallucinogen/Joti Lead Melodies, Don't u think?
And to the point, i don't thing the house influence is that much of a trend eventually. I has some form of "coolness" (in a BAD way), but i guess theat this kind of coolness creats new subgenres.
Better or worse only time can tell...
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shahar
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Posted : Apr 8, 2003 07:33
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I like good music.
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Candy
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Posted : Apr 8, 2003 09:34
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Zombi, you say Haldolium cannot be connected to any specific music genres. How come?
I can tell you this - It's not trance for sure.
It doesn't have any psychedelic elements and the sounds are very catchy. It's pure house. So are Timetech and Vibrasphere. Timetech is beautiful, but you cannot call this trance.
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Kiou
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Posted : Apr 8, 2003 10:15
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On 2003-04-07 20:29, hercules wrote:
Somehow I agree with you Kiou but I have also one question:
why you ask people that belong to psy trance to give you music for booking them in samothraki?
why on this festival are not booked progressive bands?
just wondering
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Herc, i'm doing this only for the reason that the festival is Psychedelic and as Zombi very well said, ppl didn't realy support the progressive stage idea last year. The artists i got in touch belong in the progressive side of trance anyway and i try to put some of them inside the line up just to have the change to hear something different.
and yes there are some progressive bands booked for the festival. not as many as last year but you can understand this!!
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Kiou
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Posted : Apr 8, 2003 10:27
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On 2003-04-08 09:34, RaverGirl wrote:
Zombi, you say Haldolium cannot be connected to any specific music genres. How come?
I can tell you this - It's not trance for sure.
It doesn't have any psychedelic elements and the sounds are very catchy. It's pure house. So are Timetech and Vibrasphere. Timetech is beautiful, but you cannot call this trance.
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Candy i disagree with you here...i think timetech are trance just not so full on like the classic so called trance and more smooth...but it's trance. the structure, the kick-bass, just a bit slow. you know, i don't think that there is a model of psy-trance track so anything that is not exactly like it is not trance. we suppose to expand our ideas throu/and this music not stay same....imo.
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Kaz
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Posted : Apr 8, 2003 10:54
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tom anteater
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Posted : Apr 8, 2003 11:01
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a necessary condition you might say...
i agree. but i think also it is wise to appreciate a certain distinction here between the music itself and the community that surrounds it. eg vibrasphere not producing psytrance but they certainly come out of and shelter under the umbrella provided by the psy trance scene.
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nobody_3
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Posted : Apr 8, 2003 11:25
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On 2003-04-08 09:34, RaverGirl wrote:
Zombi, you say Haldolium cannot be connected to any specific music genres. How come?
I can tell you this - It's not trance for sure.
It doesn't have any psychedelic elements and the sounds are very catchy. It's pure house. So are Timetech and Vibrasphere. Timetech is beautiful, but you cannot call this trance.
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Trance is a wide genre description and is as such not a description for goa or psy. As for Timetech ect. I will say that they are very trancy... Trance = get into a trance from repetetive beats ect. In my opinion Timetech do that very well and is not pure house but rather a mixture of deep house, "trance", and indeed elements from psy. |
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