new directions in trance?

On 2008-04-29 22:43, full_on wrote:
Go listen to some Hallucinogen or old Goa stuff in which the bass plays a much smaller role than it do in much of the today's psy, but the music is mind blowing as Hell.

On 2008-04-29 17:45, heretical wrote:

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whats the zeitgeist?

copy and paste?

Personally, I think its a waste at this point to focus on ground breaking stuff in a narrowly defined genre like psytrance, it mostly leads to senseless noise.
Sure, someone can claim to make an experimental death metal album that consists of accordians/bagpipes and a kid screaming but it would totally miss the point of what people are looking for who consume death metal.
Its hardly like the musical structures of psytrance have been beat to death. I mean there is virtually nothing going on thats interesting harmonically in psytrance. Melody, interesting chords/progressions, interesting rhythmic patterns, interesting sound design...it wouldn't be "ground breaking" but I still think at some point the best ever trance albums are yet to be made. They won't sound that much different than whats been done before structure wise, they will simple take all the elements of what makes psytrance, psytrance, and do them "better".

On 2008-04-29 13:22, Soul Kontakt wrote:
Dancefloor music filled with melodies that would break my hearth enter my soul and make me dance till i can't move anymore! Atmospheres created from visuals and other psychedelic stuff in a fully natural envoirnment! People who are there because they all love the music and the culture that we all have created, people who dance and love and celebrate the oneness through the music! This is the future in my dreams!

Cut half of the bass in a track. Go listen to some Hallucinogen or old Goa stuff

On 2008-04-30 10:13, ocelot wrote:
i like jazz a lot. just been getting into different kinds of jazz.

On 2008-04-30 14:42, full_on wrote:
And have you listened to the Bigwigs album? Have you missed my post?
Respect!

On 2008-05-01 16:55, heretical wrote:

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On 2008-04-30 10:13, ocelot wrote: i like jazz a lot. just been getting into different kinds of jazz.

Jazz is a good contrast to psy IMO genre wise.
Of course someone can make a good new jazz album but there is absolutely no way after 80+ years of the best musicians on the planet exploring a style that you could actually make a ground breaking album like what guys did back in the day.
No way psytrance is at this point yet though, I don't think things have even evolved here yet to the point of the 50s in jazz compared to the charlie parker era.

If I could do one thing to make psytrance more interesting I would create a virus that deletes every psytrance artist high hat samples and deletes the sequencers ability to put an open high hat on the off beat if more than 3 in a row are used.
If you listen to IDM for any length of time there are so many interesting high frequency sounds and patterns that could be used instead of 808 high hat variations.

One last point is I think emerging artists need to take more responsibility for the garbage they are adding to the pile. I obviously have my own ideas on psytrance music, work on tracks all the time...I know I can make a "releasable" track but I feel its responsible to not dilute the pool with even more copy/paste garbage, making it just that much harder to find the good stuff.
The little blue logo under your name on here doesn't mean much when half the people have it. Since there is no real money to be made in this genre, I really don't understand why people feel the need to promote their music when its obviously not done or you didn't stretch your abilities to what you could actually do, did not create your own personal statement that if someone hears 10 seconds of your music they know instantly "ohh that must be a track by X". If more people had that goal in mind, instead of just making music to get some prestige that isn't there anyway, psytrance would be lifted to a higher level in a year easily.

On 2008-04-29 22:43, full_on wrote:
IMO all genres of psytrance music have two major components:

- Danceability -> How easy, good, pleasant it is to dance to it.
- Mind effects -> How twisted, emotional, psychedelic, mind affecting the is music.

Much of todays music is over focused on danceability and/or dance floor friendliness. That's not a problem for most people at the crowd, but Ocelot is asking for new directions, so a good place to start is cutting half of the bass or that crowd pleasing break beats and focus on atmospheres or discrete melodies, and even on the musical aspect itself.

As an example, I'll use the over used Bigwigs album.
The album is full of noises that I never heard anywhere else and I listen to a lot of music. There's no bass pattern at all, and it is clearly not focused on the crowd.

Bigwigs have huge bass lines (they actually improve the musical aspect of the tracks), but you want some tip for new directions? Cut half of the bass in a track. Go listen to some Hallucinogen or old Goa stuff in which the bass plays a much smaller role than it do in much of the today's psy, but the music is mind blowing as Hell.
Respect!