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djNexon
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Posted : Nov 26, 2005 03:11
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I agree with LeeLoo....and his reply is my answer for your questions euphoria!!!!Strato why are you so upset with these guys???I thought that you were friends!!!!  I hope this issue come to an end!!!!!!!!!!!!! 
Good luck!!
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Moonsun
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Posted : Nov 26, 2005 04:38
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Sorry i have to say this , but with all do respect itay , i think putting it on the internet is wrong , it wont help u , i dont know the orginizers personaly ,if they did such a thing there wrong , but making them like fools and kroocks all over the internet is not the right way, call a friend of theres or an orginizer in tessalonika to help u.there have been many scams over the years ,but the best way is going and getting it ureself, but in ure case only a friend from there can help u... |
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euphoria
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Posted : Nov 26, 2005 14:23
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http://forum.isratrance.com/viewtopic.php/topic/75234/forum/53
This is just an examble to answer to your thinking moonsun. Frauds are exposed all over the internet as you can see.
Nexon i can see that you are friends with neverland and in these hard moments they need friends like you and leeloo. But this story doesn't only bother Kukan. There are other artists that didn't get their money and they still wait. It is far beyond just a friendship and melodramatic excuses like those of leeloo are not enough.
I know plenty of things about this story. And if i open my mouth ... anyway i am glad that an artist opened his mouth (at last).
Forget about your friendship with neverland . Since they decided to get involved in organising festivals the situation is much more complicated than you think.
Taking advandage of friendships isn't a very nice thing to do when you mix them with money and business 
Especially when you try to "serve" them like a "pure attempt to keep the trance scene high" .I told you we don't buy this.
I think that international forums are helpfull for guys like kukan in such matters.
Every artist is obligaded to expose such stories.
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Posted : Nov 26, 2005 15:21
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i would suggest also chp to lock every Neverlands team post...
If they like to get advertized here,They should post here their events like everyone else.
And by the way they offer nothing.
They only have a small place for doing some "events",serving pleasure nothing more...
if any normal mate have been there,he should understand what i mean. |
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Hellios
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Posted : Nov 26, 2005 20:43
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Kukan you have the right mate to ask for your money but the rest of you judjes and procecutors relax...Lock every Neverlands team post? Whats next? Burn the place down?Arrest the people who go and have fun in this place?Shoot the djs who play there?,
Crucify the owners of neverland? And after trance scene
in Greece will be clean and normal again,,,,,, |
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Moonsun
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Posted : Nov 26, 2005 21:54
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my friend im not starting something here , i also have been playing many years and that is not my first , seeing unpaid artists,i just said that theres no point writing on the internet about that, the same for gobi...by making a full of someone in public ,there are other ways,getting ure money..if as u say they did this ,they dont care ,so even humiliating them is worst ,but u still dont get a penny..im 100% with itay and i hope he gets every penny of his money because he worked for it....but the only way is face to face ... |
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kukan-dub-lagan/ItaiTaiko
kukan-dub-lagan/ItaiTaiko
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Posted : Nov 27, 2005 12:43
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ok
i just said in the start:
this is not a war against neverland team.
now!
nexon,leloo(happy birthday)and dj moonson.i have all the right to put the topic here as freedom is the real meaning of life for me.i didnt said andonis and nasia are bad people or something like that-i just gived the fact.
you told me to wait--that what i am still doing now-waiting.but as i called 6 times(and not every day ,i called each week or 2 weeks),and if i want i can call every hour.i think that it is enough for me that i need to put more moeny on all this calls.when somebody cant get into the net but he got you as frriends,so i sure that you can send me mail insted of him and not wait till i put here the topic.i didnt know what will be and what i need to do.still-in the end something come out from it that i put here the post no?you gave me some answers more or less...
this is my first time with the neverland team,and i think they are good people.but,i dont need to lose money because their loses,or thier problem.i can give them the time and i can try to understand it.and i did it.i gave them time.but i say it again,i cant wait 1 year to get my money-this is not milion and i am not a part of the organize-i am an artist.i play for more than 8 years.all over the world.and leloo-i play also trance,even more trance than kukan style.i always got paid.i am a part of a system that help the artist that not get their money-the name is the tribe.many artist afraid to put a topic on their problems because than ,they think that in thi way the organize will not pay them.there is no reason in the world that i will not get my moeny or other artist will not get their money.but a person that have problem(and belive me i came from a house with a real problems),always can answer and explaine his issue ,and not giving the other side to wait with no respond.
i dont need to send people to there,i dont need to ask from other guys to do things and than they will get the same answer.
if i need to give somebody money,i go and i will sell something even from my machins and i will not put this person in a problem in his life because my mistake .or wether mistake or whatever...i just want my money and i need it---and there is more artist like me all over the world.we cant stay in the shadow all of our life.we make music and we also try to pass the day from it.in this way we just think that it is not worth it.to be sad,or to think to stop making music(me and otehr artist in the world are like that)is not the way. all of us include artist,organizers,people,dj and more just want to smile-that all.and to get what we deserve.the organize want their money from the partys and smiles and to have funn,the artist and the dj as well,and the people want to enjoy the best for the money they spend.this is the system.it cant work if each time that shit happend(sorry on my words),the organize will blame it in the situation-so let keep it real.
i say again-that i give andonis the time to answer and to take care in that.belive me that he know well that i am right.he didnt answer my phones or mails.and he can get the call.
i cant wait too much time-i got my own problems in life and this money is something that can give me a push forwerd so please,dont blame me in this situation.
this is not a war against neverland.
this is a matter of an issue.
as i will wait to andonis lello-i hope that you can give me the reason(or payment)later ,if i will still stay in the dark.
i give all my respect to you and to the greece scene-i feel like a part of it and i want only good vibe for all of us
cheers
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euphoria
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Posted : Nov 27, 2005 15:13
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On 2005-11-26 20:43, Hellios wrote:
Kukan you have the right mate to ask for your money but the rest of you judjes and procecutors relax...
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And lawyers as well? Silence to the court!!! dink donk!!!
To the point. 100% with kukan ( balagan ) here. One way or another at least he got some answers from some close friends of neverland. His thinking is absolutely right that artists all over the world, are afraid to expose such stories. And beeing afraid gives these organisers the right to repeat such actions. It is nobody's fault that the weather was bad, or the generator felt from the track, or andonis got his car crashed etc etc etc.
But there is a system here and this system is pointing straight to the organisers. That's how things are...We are not talking about faults here. We are talking about responsibilities.
One simple question - examble : If everything was fine with the festival you think that kukan would have get more money than agreed? well i don't think so...now that everything went bad, why he has to take no money at all?
The answer is very clear. Cause of unprofessional organisers without financial calculations and back ups. Rather than having 50 "festivals" all over the world every year - most of them with such outcomes - it is best for all to expose these unworthy organisers and keep the best festivals runing.
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Moonsun
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Posted : Nov 27, 2005 15:52
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itay try to put a friend from there to get ure money , your message has past they are both members of this forum ,if it was they would have replyed ,so , the only thing i said is that even writing about it ,,it seems they dont care ,so u just have to find a way to get ure money ,but only from tessalonika u can do this.... |
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Circlesquare
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Posted : Nov 27, 2005 22:13
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I can't believe Itai gets attitude by some people too, on top of not getting paid!!!
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LeeLoo
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Posted : Nov 28, 2005 00:46
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Dear Itay...
When I said you are not playing trance...
If you read again you will understand that I meant that for some ppl here if you ever were invited to play in Neverland or any other place like that in Greece, the thing shouldn't be posted in here as if it doesn't concern trance music. As if it wouldn't be a trance event. As if you were not a trance dj.
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IMHO asking for your money is one of the fustrating-unbelievable things a human being is called to do. The way you do it, makes a difference though.
Since after six conversations with Andonis, you couldn't understand each other, I am at least happy that in some way I gave you some answers. You could pm also.. anyways..
In this era we cannot still communicate with each other and let situations like this evolve. It is your right to claim your money, whatever the way you choose. It is also your right to decide to wait and for how long.
You know the guys in person, you know the situation, you decide what to do. Thank you for your wishes and understanding.
Full and total respect. Minds are just like parachutes. They only work when they are open. :) |
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LeeLoo
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Posted : Nov 28, 2005 01:03
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As for Euphoria...
There must be plurality in festival organisations in Greece. So for you and for me and for everyone else to decide where to go. What you seek according to your sayings is a monopoly of fest organisation in Greece. Quality monopoly actually. How can that be -to my reason- if there are not other fests to compare to? There must be more organisations. The more, the better. Like ppl's voices. There must be a variety of choices. And quality will stand out alone. The rest sooner or later will go down the drain. Tell me which are the teams -or better which is- according to you that should keep up. Your mouth is quite open. The link has nothing to do with Neverland guys! Itay knows that also, ppl who have been there know it. Open it a little bit more for all of us to see where this is all coming from.
To bring it to the end at last.
I am a friend of these guys and for whoever I believe wants to bring quality. Who succeeds or not in organising, and for what reason that's another case.
And Circlesquare, i think my attitude is just fine. How's yours?
Minds are just like parachutes. They only work when they are open. :) |
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jason21
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Posted : Nov 28, 2005 03:00
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ok man.i can understand that u play music for JOB>i disagree with u ..i think the real big artists started to crate and play music only for hobby no money.
What do u say if i tell u that before 3 years i went to England (LIVERPOOL) and in my first party there i found the organisers and tell them:hi i know to djing and i want to play for u if is possible WITHOUT MONEY OF COURSE.They toldme to bring a cd with my music.I did it .(I used to play in Greece without money ,only because i LIKE IT MORE THAN ANY OTHER THINK IN THE WORLD.)
SO iat the next week i started playing in the ambient stage in every party.in the first time when i finished a guy came and gave to me money.i told him NO man ,when i came here i said i like to play with no money.he puts the money in my pocket.
they were 150 pounds (my first money from djing) and i was verry happy.
Then evey time i wanted my money and if the club was close i was waiting to paid.Nobady paid me ,ifailed very bad cause they make me to like the money.this hapened 2-3 times.
One day after playing on LSD i understud that to play is much better for the money.(if u see the crowd dancing and screaming THIS IS THE BEST PAID FOR A DJ).From then i told them that i will never want to paid again(looks like stupid?I know).They couldnt understand me cause i was one of the best residents there.From then every time i tried to pley better and better and i wanted to see the crowd SCREAMING AND DANCING MORE AND MORE,,,THEY USED TO PAY ME BY SCREAMING!!!!BELIEAVE ME MUCH BETTER THAN MONEY,AND REALLY I DID NOT PAID AGAIN UNLESS THEY TELLING ME AALL THE TIME TO PAY ME.I HAD PROMISE TO NOT TAKE MONEY FOR SOMETHING SO GOOD FOR ME.
RESPECT MY FRIEND
DO U F*CK AS WELL AS U DANCE? |
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euphoria
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Posted : Nov 28, 2005 03:37
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well the thing jason 21 is that some people are sth like more than 8-9 years in here. And to keep on going they need some money. You know to buy some equipment, to pay their rent, to go out for a beer, or whatever this life may include. And for a reason (i don't realy know why ) they've choosed to be djs, artists, promoters, shop owners etc...this is nowdays development of trance music. To try to make your leaving out of this... Don't find this strange mate...making money out of your beloved music scene is the ultimate goal...to get a feedback that your time and soul and heart and efforts were worth it...that you didn't FU**NG BURN YOUR SELF HERE FOR NOTHING MORE THAN....YEAH I TOOK LSD AND EVERYBODY IS DANCING!!!!
This is my answer to leeloo as well
Promoters in this country are going to provide a possitive outcome, when they realise that they can not play games on other peoples backs. And i don't care who they are...for sure not neverland. Romantic days are over |
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LeeLoo
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Posted : Nov 28, 2005 04:36
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Soz mate but ur answer is an elusion fit for children for me.
tata. |
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