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Napster Strikes Back... a solution to illegal mp3 downloading.

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IsraTrance Team

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Posted : Feb 17, 2005 18:13
well folks... the powerful american marketing system has done it... they have literally reversed the once illegal giant "napster" into a fully legal downloading (paid) service. using the fact that everyone and their sister knows what napster is, napster now offers for 15$ a month (after 2 weeks of free promotional use) a service that one can download with a choice of over 1,000,000 tracks for their PC or compatible MP3 player.

this is the american answer to illegal p2p downloading - THE INDUSTRY INITIATES THE CHANGE, NOT THE USER. although iTunes has something silimar.... downloading is no longer $.99 a track... this is a huge change. i assume the internal deal between Napster and the labels was beneficial, otherwise this would never be.
I suggest psytrance labels to look into this... this could very possibly be a solution to cut losses at the very least.

http://www.napster.com/          "On the other hand, you have different fingers."
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Posted : Feb 17, 2005 18:19
And good by bad vibes w*******g at one another.


s0ft
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Posted : Feb 17, 2005 19:19
i personally dont think that psytrance labels would profit from this unless they did something special. the only reason that Napster works so well is because it is on a large scale, its across america (maybe even across the world, i dont know). labels would have to do something really special in order to turn the illegal downloaders into legal downloaders. i mean, you cant expect them to pay for something that they can get for free.

i honestly think its a great idea. $15 for unlimited songs? brilliant! but with such a small scene and the vast majority of the listeners downloading their songs illegally... it just wont work the same way at all.

i'd be more than happy to take place in a project that would adapt this business plan to work with the psytrance scene. it would be a challenge.


edit... i just dont think im expressing my view in the right words.
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Posted : Feb 17, 2005 19:39
again... the same exclusiveness that no-one really have.

if there was told a real number of download like 30.000, and when some light come out no-one is got te courage to take action, this is very clear that if everyone stamp on each others toes too much, it will all have an end for any kind of inspiration towads this scene.

but it is easier to complain then to tackle the problem. I just hope the major trance labels can deal with the giant then incentive the smallers which will want to continue.

Someone must take the inniciative...
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Posted : Feb 17, 2005 20:03
Damned, another of this threads...
I really don't have time for this, and think I already said enough on this subject.

But I do have to disagree with you sOft.
They major labels are worried because they know that the more services like this that crop up the less control over the market they have.
Thats one main reason they have been reluctant to accept digital distibution.

Smaller scenes have a lot to gain from the upcoming changes.
It will be easier to find music that don't fit into the limited shelf space in regular record shops and people will have a better chance to get to know music that is not played on the radio.

And many smaller scenes have labels trying to take advantage of the new possibilities.
Unfortunally in the trance scene it seems that that does not happen and the labels is just waiting for the majors to make the first move.

Whats the logic behind that it will not work on a smaller scale?
I would think that CD pressing is harder to make to work on a small scale than selling downloads.
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Posted : Feb 17, 2005 20:03
Soft you may have a good point, i think its worth a shot for labels like BNE, Hommega, Chem. Crew... their music is more mainstream in most of their releases and may well be a "jump board" into that market.           "On the other hand, you have different fingers."
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Posted : Feb 17, 2005 20:07
They should do the same thing with SoulSeek. Id gladly pay $15 month for unlimited psytrance...
Cuz I think its pretty unlikely the big labels are gonna be down with the underground music being available on the same service as their music... they wouldnt want any competition of Brittany Spears now would they?
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Posted : Feb 17, 2005 20:10
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On 2005-02-17 20:07, Psycosmo wrote:
They should do the same thing with SoulSeek. Id gladly pay $15 month for unlimited psytrance...



i 2nd that. i see it as making a better situation out of a negative one.....
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s0ft
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Posted : Feb 17, 2005 20:13
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On 2005-02-17 20:03, Spindrift wrote:
Whats the logic behind that it will not work on a smaller scale?




this pretty much sums up my reasoning...
Quote:

i mean, you cant expect them to pay for something that they can get for free.


additionally, i just cant see a poor and moneyless scene spending much-needed money on something they can get for free.
s0ft
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Posted : Feb 17, 2005 20:18
this came to me...

it would be better if it was "electronic music" in general. covering many genres will be less risky. i just think its a bad idea to market to a small scene, maybe if it was targetted to ambiant, dub, chill, commercial trance, psytrance, etc... there would less chance of failure.
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Posted : Feb 17, 2005 20:20
@sOft
So why do you think the maor labels can charge, but small ones not?
Sorry, I cannot get the reasoning behind that.

And there is more than money for most people.
Quality, convenience and consciense for example will affect buying habits of people.

Thats why people buy water on a bottle that they can get for free.
It might taste better (quality), It might be the only safe water available close by (convenience) or they might feel embarassed to ask for a glass of tap water (conscience).           (``·.¸(``·.¸(``·.¸¸.·`´)¸.·`´)¸.·`´)
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s0ft
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Posted : Feb 17, 2005 20:31
i just think major labels have a larger audience to support the change.

a mass of people are standing in a room with a free tap for water and a bottle of water that costs money. i just cant see too many people willing to pay for something they can get just as easy. illegal downloaders wont support this.

going for a larger audience will include more of those willing to pay for music. larger labels have that audience.




by the way. have you seen the show called "Bullshit!"? it talks abotu bottled water vs tap water. quite a funny show...
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Posted : Feb 17, 2005 23:57
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On 2005-02-17 20:20, Spindrift wrote:

So why do you think the maor labels can charge, but small ones not?
Sorry, I cannot get the reasoning behind that.



It comes down to the "economy of scale".

If 2 million Britney/Eminem fans sign up - thats $30,000,000. A sum worth having.

If 1000 psy trance fans sign up - that = $15,000 which wouldn't even cover the server costs.

Its known as a "low profit - high turnover" strategy.
Spindrift
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Posted : Feb 18, 2005 00:31
And how does the "economy of scale" differ when it comes to releasing CD's?
Sure trance can't sell as much as britney.
But the costs of distibuting digitally is a lot lower than what you have to pay for pressing CD's per sold unit.
And Cd's start to become a lot cheaper if you order more than a fdw 1000.
That should mean that it would be a great way to release music for smaller labels if anything.

And I don't know where you get your figures from.
You sure don't pay $15 000 a year for running a server that can handle 1000 members.
Bandwidth don't necessarily come cheaper because you want massive amounts.
In sweden you get a 10Mb line for less than £30/mnth.
That should be able to hande quite a few simultaineous visitors.
If you want to have a massive site, the cheaper options is limited. Then you might have to get a fixed 100Mb line or get a dedicated server hosted.
Still...$15000 that would get you a lot more than you need for 1000 members.

So, I still don't understand why the "economy of scale" is more applicable than the case if selling CD's.

But I agree that the model napster use is more for mainstream labels.
I don't think the member model is so suitable for a smaller scene, and pay per track is more likely to be the way.
I, and I think many people with me, do not find that much music each month we like.
So paying per download would feel better to me.

Another new site with a nice system is www.mp3tunes.com
I like the idea of having permanent access to the tracks I buy.
Since I am infact only buying a license, I should be able to download a new copy if I loose mine.
Just as I can do that with software I bought.
And they give almost $0.60 per track out of the $0.88 they charge from the customer.
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Posted : Feb 18, 2005 01:09
other basic thing is that only the ones with visa or mastercard can buy..
i dont have a credit card actually.
Lots of my friends that have dont like to buy on the internet with the credit card because the code rippers or whatever they're called.. hackers or whatever..
So this will not hit some massive numbers of music consumers cause the creditcard is not safe yet..
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