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Spindrift
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Posted : Jan 31, 2008 01:56
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I'm totally in agreement with full_on on this one, and it's well worth a bump.
Respect!
I never been to what I would call a really good party where the sets is less than 4 hours each...that's really minimum IMO. And live sets is just a distraction IMO.
It just takes away the focus, and let's face it, it's a lot easier to find the right track for a given moment if you can choose from all music in existence instead of only your own produce, so in my experience a good DJ will always be better then a live.
And I also agree with Colin with regards to Gill...it just puzzles me why the only DJ that manages to make sure he get to play long enough sets to really tell a story have no story whatsoever.
Ever time I heard him the lest decade it's same night music all night as well as all morning.
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Fallen Angel
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Posted : Jan 31, 2008 05:57
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^Is this based on your recent gig in the UK where you played in the chill out at a squat?
I'm curious to know what motivates you to be so opinionated when in reality, no, I won't say what I was going to because it is not PLUR
To be honest, all I see here is jaded people wanting and professing their ideology of what is good and really, who made you the God's of psy?
Don't take this the wrong way - I am curious to know what motivates you to be so opinionated. Do tell |
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The Journey Man Project
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Posted : Jan 31, 2008 06:27
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the fact that a scene that used to be fun and good has gone to shit because quality control was left behing a looooong time ago... now all peope want from producers to dj's to labels to part crews is $$$$$... so they book Skazi and his Pepsi girls and Astrix and his eurotrance friends so more tickets will sell... the promoters pockets get's fat and so does the pocket of the producer playing his iPod, and because so many people went to this gig the label goes "oh the music sells, even tho I know that it is club trance and not psy trance" and release billions of copis of cut n paste style trance music... the labels gets $$$$ and it just ends up being a bad circle... and the few who still beleive that the what the scene was before should be how it is now, get paid out on and slandered by tosser like you Steve 
so STFU you smart arse!
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Fallen Angel
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Posted : Jan 31, 2008 06:39
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On 2008-01-31 06:27, The Journey Man Project wrote:
slandered by tosser like you
STFU
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Hey, there's no need for name calling |
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The Journey Man Project
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Posted : Jan 31, 2008 06:48
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I apologise. I guess my bluntness got the better of me. I'm sure, byt the attitude you have shown to me in other threads and in pm's, you must be the most charing of people in reality I hope one day we can meet 
NOT!!
please all, go back on topik
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mk47
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Posted : Jan 31, 2008 08:59
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On 2007-08-22 23:22, Dogon wrote:
what do you think about Goa Gil......
the 2 sets i have heard from him were around 8-9 hours....... and that was THE JOURNEY....... 
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On 2007-08-23 00:50, Colin OOOD wrote:
In that case I have a really psychedelic 12-hour sine-wave you might like...
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Mad Purple State
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Posted : Jan 31, 2008 10:37
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I´d defi. vouch for 2 well known DJ´s or Artists playing a good ´unrlsd killaaarrrgh´ set for 6 hrs with a concept behind them and a story to give us that we could grow up and tell our grandchildren about 
I feel everything is done in a hurry now around the world concerning our parties...
and I strongly feel a 2.5 or 3hr set is a Must... no matter where the act plans to take us for a ride... mayb his own tunes... his own label sound... or mixes everything across the globe... whats more important is that the flow and momentum should slowly rise, should be a teaser and then a blow out.
Well, I havent lost all hope though... there have been parties where Dj´s playing one after the other have planned it really well on where they want to take the madhatters and what path they´ll choose.
I can feel our scene is getting saturated with parties that have 10 acts for a 3 hr scene... it´´l soon settle down and our voices will be heard.
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The Journey Man Project
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Posted : Jan 31, 2008 12:00
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Zman
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Posted : Jan 31, 2008 12:02
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On 2008-01-31 10:37, Mad Purple State wrote:
I´d defi. vouch for 2 well known DJ´s or Artists playing a good ´unrlsd killaaarrrgh´ set for 6 hrs with a concept behind them and a story to give us that we could grow up and tell our grandchildren about
I feel everything is done in a hurry now around the world concerning our parties...
and I strongly feel a 2.5 or 3hr set is a Must... no matter where the act plans to take us for a ride... mayb his own tunes... his own label sound... or mixes everything across the globe... whats more important is that the flow and momentum should slowly rise, should be a teaser and then a blow out.
Well, I havent lost all hope though... there have been parties where Dj´s playing one after the other have planned it really well on where they want to take the madhatters and what path they´ll choose.
I can feel our scene is getting saturated with parties that have 10 acts for a 3 hr scene... it´´l soon settle down and our voices will be heard.
-Mad
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+ 1 ... 2 x 3 hour sets atleast. Theres not enough time to build a story with anything less than 2.5 hours IMO |
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NIKTHEQUICK
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Posted : Jan 31, 2008 12:43
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full on i can see you desperation...brazil is full commercializing the scene....been to a similar party you described...terrible....!!
the pattern is reproduced in many other countries too and there is little we can do until people will keep following and listening these artist like eskimo faking it....and showing "the dance"....even worst?!
so its the producers that to attract people stick to this standard, the artist that adapted and worsened the situation...as more lives are fake than actually real ones (+they accept to play for such little time etc)....and we party people beget the situation by going and paying these crazy amounts of money to see a short live.....
i agree with spindrift...dj most of the time is more stimulating....
how can producers make more money....you said it full on by improving the level of performance and quality of the music...distinguish themselves!??
i do still love some lives.....when serious producers prepare (more concert kind of vibe) an intense set to showcase their talent as music engineers....OSOm, penta, ocelot are good ex.....especially the last two when i hear their tracks i say...ok nice...but when you hear them live thats when you appreciate their genius the best....
we should have a policy that when one recognises the fake live....tomato (or shoes) get thrown at an artist....so org are going to be more careful, artist too, and we could actually separate good producers from bad....and therefore have better structured parties!?!
time and flow issues are clear...good festivals leave 3/4 hrs to the artist to impress...do whatever...
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Spindrift
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Posted : Jan 31, 2008 13:12
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On 2008-01-31 05:57, Fallen Angel wrote:
^Is this based on your recent gig in the UK where you played in the chill out at a squat?
I'm curious to know what motivates you to be so opinionated when in reality, no, I won't say what I was going to because it is not PLUR
To be honest, all I see here is jaded people wanting and professing their ideology of what is good and really, who made you the God's of psy?
Don't take this the wrong way - I am curious to know what motivates you to be so opinionated. Do tell
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I never play chillout and never played in squats in the UK.
And I have no idea why I should explain my motivation for having an opinion, I would have thought everyone is entitled to one.
As I said it's just my experience that a lot of short sets doesn't make a great party.
After about 20 years in the scene spending countless hours on the dance floor I have some idea of what works for me at least, but of course opinions will differ.
I do wonder what makes you think that you can call people jaded and conclude they think they are God because they have an opinion? Do tell.
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Fallen Angel
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Posted : Jan 31, 2008 13:33
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^sorry for the confusion. I've sent you a PM with details of a squat party that was advertised in the UK with your name and label on the flyer. |
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Fragletrollet
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Posted : Jan 31, 2008 15:17
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Braindrop
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Posted : Jan 31, 2008 15:56
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On 2007-08-22 19:50, Colin OOOD wrote:
Napo - I might be wrong but I don't know if Shane has enough original material that he's written himself to play live for 6+ hours as you say?
I love long live sets... in Switzerland at the end of last year we played for 5 hours in total; two 90-minute live sets with a 2-hour DJ set in-between... it gave us a chance to take the dancefloor to all the places we've been to in the last 13 years. Ryo was dropping his drumsticks by the end of it though... there's only so much a man can take! BTW this is also the man who DJd for 14 hours straight (ok, twisted) at our friends' wedding 2 weekends ago...
For me there's (as always lol) a very simple bottom line: to create a journey on the dancefloor the DJs and live acts need long sets. IMO the psychedelic experience is inherently fractal, especially when it comes to music and dancing. Self-similar at all scales. Just as a good track is a little self-contained journey over 8 minutes, a good party is a self-contained journey over 12 hours or whatever, and it's very difficult to get that from 12 DJs all playing 1-hour sets of their favourite tracks; you get a fragmented experience, especially when you think of that moment of silence/applause/appreciation between DJs/acts.
Consider this:
How many goa/psytrance party organisations from the 90s (the 'golden age' according to many) have Facebook groups dedicated to their memory? Here's one:
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=10257240391
This party ran every two months in London for about 3/4 years... and every single time (bar one  ) the same 4 DJs played. No live acts AT ALL (except for that one time). How many of today's parties will be remembered with such fondness 10 years on?
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True this. I dont really understand the hype abt 90 mins live sets. Doesnt make any sense to me. this is the reason why we have only dj sets for our festival in Nepal. Everything is in place. the music the flow etc. No need to worry abt killer live o blah blah.
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Ellon
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Posted : Jan 31, 2008 16:14
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On 2008-01-31 15:56, UrbanPsySpirit wrote:
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On 2007-08-22 19:50, Colin OOOD wrote:
Napo - I might be wrong but I don't know if Shane has enough original material that he's written himself to play live for 6+ hours as you say?
I love long live sets... in Switzerland at the end of last year we played for 5 hours in total; two 90-minute live sets with a 2-hour DJ set in-between... it gave us a chance to take the dancefloor to all the places we've been to in the last 13 years. Ryo was dropping his drumsticks by the end of it though... there's only so much a man can take! BTW this is also the man who DJd for 14 hours straight (ok, twisted) at our friends' wedding 2 weekends ago...
For me there's (as always lol) a very simple bottom line: to create a journey on the dancefloor the DJs and live acts need long sets. IMO the psychedelic experience is inherently fractal, especially when it comes to music and dancing. Self-similar at all scales. Just as a good track is a little self-contained journey over 8 minutes, a good party is a self-contained journey over 12 hours or whatever, and it's very difficult to get that from 12 DJs all playing 1-hour sets of their favourite tracks; you get a fragmented experience, especially when you think of that moment of silence/applause/appreciation between DJs/acts.
Consider this:
How many goa/psytrance party organisations from the 90s (the 'golden age' according to many) have Facebook groups dedicated to their memory? Here's one:
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=10257240391
This party ran every two months in London for about 3/4 years... and every single time (bar one ) the same 4 DJs played. No live acts AT ALL (except for that one time). How many of today's parties will be remembered with such fondness 10 years on?
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True this. I dont really understand the hype abt 90 mins live sets. Doesnt make any sense to me. this is the reason why we have only dj sets for our festival in Nepal. Everything is in place. the music the flow etc. No need to worry abt killer live o blah blah.
Nice topic!
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So true.....the 90m set concept is a paradigma in psy-trance. No time to build a story (essential for me), promotes all kinds of "cheating" as it turns the performance into some fast-food music reality, no room for improvisation, takes the reponsabilty from the artist - you became this person who flies around the planet playing over-promoted "lives" to an audience craving for names to include in their psy-C.V. .
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