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My view on the current party model
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Basilisk
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Posted : Aug 21, 2007 22:09
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Fake live acts: poetic justice for all the damage music downloading has done to sales, don't you think? 
No, I agree completely with what full_on is saying here. There should be a balance between live acts and DJs at any event, and the time slots should be organized in such a way to promote the flow of the proceedings. Sadly, there are many traps that organizers can fall for. One is the package deal i.e. the live act follows up with a DJ set. Usually this means the live act plays a lot of similar sounding material from their label mates, which just means you end up with a lot of the same sound for even longer than you bargained for. At some festivals I have sat through extreme 3+ hour sets where the tempo, mood, and style never changed. Not good. Most of the really good DJs in this scene specialize (as in the case of Shane Gobi). It is important to remember that good DJing is distinctly different from good production--a different skill set is required. Not all producers have it, and many don't seem to realize they don't have it. Then again, many people in the crowd don't realize it either 
Nothing rocks quite as much as a festival where the music flows in a sensible way. Eclipse was good for that this year! But there are other events where I hear of personal bias imposing a homogeneity of sound upon listeners. That gets old fast. Trance is a vast ocean; why spend all your time in one small sea?
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full_on
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Posted : Aug 22, 2007 00:09
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Haha, you should pay for the copyright of this last sentence!
You are right about the Artists who are not so good (to avoid saying they suck big time) at DJing. This is a delicate situation, because many artists told me that the party organizers prefer to book the combo Live + DJ Set instead of only the Live or the DJ Set... So there is a pressure for them to play the DJ Set even when they know they're not really prepared for that.
Also in my interviews ( www.fullonline.net/interviews/ ) few artists said they don't do DJ Sets, from what I remember only Burn in Noise, Filteria, Sound Field (ProSect) and both guys from Principles of Flight, and I interviewed more than 40 artists. Most of those who said they do not do DJ Sets explained that they choose to focus on production, and that to do a proper DJ set you need spend too much time listening to many new psy music, when in fact most of them don't even listen to psy in their spare time.
The result: As commented in many party reviews some artist's DJ Sets lack in technical aspects and present the same tracks (and even the same track transitions) for a long time (six months+ in some cases).
This is another well illustrated example of the mechanisms by which the current party model lowers the quality and diversity of the psytrance experience.
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Dogon
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Posted : Aug 22, 2007 00:24
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small underground parties with local 'lesser known' DJs are perfect..... 
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a3k
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Posted : Aug 22, 2007 16:38
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the truth is that in todays parties, people want to have the "hot" names of the musical scenario on their parties.they garantee that they will have monetary success, and will able to keep them makin parties...most of the times without having a clue what they are doing..
the demande of the public also makes it like this,the much more artists the better..sometimes a single hour performing isn´t enough to create that journey..that special vibe..the way i like a live..a real big long live; and in my mind comes a partie in 2005 i believe, when kindzadza played for 4 hours..i believe with dj set in between..i think it was a mixed of both..it was 50/50, and it was a hell of a ride.
so what i really would love to see in parties is less lives, but the ones who go and play do it more longer and with more quality.
i am not sure, but i think i have read in an interview given by penta, that what he would like to do is play for about 8h in a row..well that can be to much, but i totally understand what he said, because more time can give liberty to create that feeling between the artist and audience.
in todays model what you get is like working in a factory,it is in serie production..it is like getting artists inside this litle boxes all packed up, and they go and play one hour, then comes another, playing another hour and so on and so on..and this way it isn´t possible to create a good flow in the public.
on the other hand dj´s are being a little bit forgotten..except on big festivals were they have time to really show their skills.it is really a shame that dj´s are not more well known, or at least given they true value. ... |
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Aug 22, 2007 19:50
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Napo - I might be wrong but I don't know if Shane has enough original material that he's written himself to play live for 6+ hours as you say?
I love long live sets... in Switzerland at the end of last year we played for 5 hours in total; two 90-minute live sets with a 2-hour DJ set in-between... it gave us a chance to take the dancefloor to all the places we've been to in the last 13 years. Ryo was dropping his drumsticks by the end of it though... there's only so much a man can take! BTW this is also the man who DJd for 14 hours straight (ok, twisted) at our friends' wedding 2 weekends ago...
For me there's (as always lol) a very simple bottom line: to create a journey on the dancefloor the DJs and live acts need long sets. IMO the psychedelic experience is inherently fractal, especially when it comes to music and dancing. Self-similar at all scales. Just as a good track is a little self-contained journey over 8 minutes, a good party is a self-contained journey over 12 hours or whatever, and it's very difficult to get that from 12 DJs all playing 1-hour sets of their favourite tracks; you get a fragmented experience, especially when you think of that moment of silence/applause/appreciation between DJs/acts.
Consider this:
How many goa/psytrance party organisations from the 90s (the 'golden age' according to many) have Facebook groups dedicated to their memory? Here's one:
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=10257240391
This party ran every two months in London for about 3/4 years... and every single time (bar one ) the same 4 DJs played. No live acts AT ALL (except for that one time). How many of today's parties will be remembered with such fondness 10 years on?
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Dogon
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Posted : Aug 22, 2007 23:22
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what do you think about Goa Gil......
the 2 sets i have heard from him were around 8-9 hours....... and that was THE JOURNEY....... 
But i do agree with Napo, that, one factor is the public demand, about big names & more & more & more big names under 1 event. This makes it even worse.....
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Aug 22, 2007 23:45
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Dogon
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Posted : Aug 23, 2007 00:42
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you are right bro, but the journey is psychedelic all the way & thats what i look for...
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Aug 23, 2007 00:50
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Dogon
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Posted : Aug 23, 2007 01:01
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i am true music lover..... what more i can say......  i'd welcome the free music....... 
Doesn't matter where it comes from...... 
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full_on
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Posted : Aug 23, 2007 03:58
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On 2007-08-22 19:50, Colin OOOD wrote:
Napo - I might be wrong but I don't know if Shane has enough original material that he's written himself to play live for 6+ hours as you say?
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Of course I was talking about Shane's DJ Set... Why would I want one of the best DJs to play a Live Act? Also I never heard about Shane Gobi playing a Live Act, he is a DJ (I know he has side projects with Rinka and Dark Soho, but he is a DJ).
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On 2007-08-22 00:24, Dogon wrote:
small underground parties with local 'lesser known' DJs are perfect.....
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I agree, but then we should address another issue: how will the artists survive? Other jobs?
Of course I do not expect this topic will change this current party model, specially because it is moved by money. What I want to make clear is that if someone wants to make a party with emphasis on the psychedelic aspects he should not use this defiled model as reference.
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Aug 23, 2007 04:58
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maximjou
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Posted : Aug 23, 2007 07:02
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yeh man , im sorry i only read parts of the post. but yeh a dj or live set should def. be over 3 hours i mean how can you take a trip in your mind(fuckacid)in an hour set. its fucking pointless. excuse my language but i was out there when i saw orchard lounge. perform and buy the time the music really built up for me it was over. and 4 days later now im still there and i will always rememeber my entire life of how that moment just came to a complete stop. where do i go from here ? |
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maximjou
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Posted : Aug 23, 2007 07:06
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On 2007-08-22 23:45, Colin OOOD wrote:
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On 2007-08-22 23:22, Dogon wrote:
what do you think about Goa Gil......
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Half of my reply to this is totally  so I won't post it As for the other half...
As far as his DJing goes, my understanding (and please correct me if I'm wrong) is that he only plays one style of music during his long sets. If this is true, the journeys he takes the dancefloor on would seem to be analogous to those long, straight roads that cut through America:
http://img2.travelblog.org/Photos/758/1768/t/4691-The-Long-and-Winding-Road-0.jpg
Personally I'm more a fan of long sets that go through multiple styles according to the time of day/night, and the mood on the dancefloor...sets that take the dancefloor on journeys that wind through more than one kind of musical landscape.
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AWESOME !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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full_on
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Posted : Jan 31, 2008 01:13
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Respect!
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...Be gentle with the earth...
...Dance like nobody's watching...
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