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andrew interchill
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Posted : Jan 4, 2008 21:47
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Hey Klaus...
the decisions about the ep release were taken with Gaudi. That is really the best if you think about it - whether or not you agree with them.
there are not very many of these cd's in stock - they have a value - buy if you want to.
we have offered a number of free downloads through E Music and we have noticed beneficial results. I prefer to offer freebies on very high traffic services like this one.
We also sent more than 150 promo links to wav files using eat digital. You got one too - why not burn the wavs ? need a resend ?!
we are always happy to consider requests for our promo list - though ideally there should be some reciprocal promo benefit to us for giving free copies.
cd's are gaining in value because there are fewer of them and because they have extra inherent costs. In synch with this we are treating them as higher value items and reducing the amount of cd promos we send and also the amount we feed into low revenue distro like Warner here in Canada.
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andrew interchill
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Posted : Jan 4, 2008 21:53
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Damon - the smart thing to do in your case would be to source a local supplier in USA. Try backroads, try cyberset.
shipping prices differ to USA according to service used - approx 5$ per unit will cover expresspost. |
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damon
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Posted : Jan 4, 2008 23:58
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On 2008-01-04 21:53, andrew interchill wrote:
Damon - the smart thing to do in your case would be to source a local supplier in USA. Try backroads, try cyberset.
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I'll check both. Thanks. I used to buy Interchill cds here in Chicago from Psymbolic although recently they stopped selling the newest releases :/
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shipping prices differ to USA according to service used - approx 5$ per unit will cover expresspost.
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I just ordered 2 cds from Saikodounds - shipping: $6.40 
I REALLY would like to buy straight from the artists/labels but very often it's too expensive comparing to other resellers/distributors. It's ok when it's one/two cd per month. Problem occurs when it's 10 cds or more - stuff is becoming expensive.
PS. Thanks for clearing up EP thing - I mentioned@the beginning that it would make more sense to offer such a thing before full album release and I wasn't aware that "Bass, sweat .." is being re-released.
PSPS. Bluetech and his Somnia is great concept I'd like to see such an initiative more often
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xerxes[no]
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Posted : Jan 5, 2008 00:17
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On 2008-01-04 21:47, andrew interchill wrote:
Hey Klaus...
the decisions about the ep release were taken with Gaudi. That is really the best if you think about it - whether or not you agree with them.
there are not very many of these cd's in stock - they have a value - buy if you want to.
we have offered a number of free downloads through E Music and we have noticed beneficial results. I prefer to offer freebies on very high traffic services like this one.
We also sent more than 150 promo links to wav files using eat digital. You got one too - why not burn the wavs ? need a resend ?!
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hey yo,
yeah i really enjoy your eat digital offers, much appreciated. my argument in this case is not about you or interchill, it's about a products worth and when/how it should be released. interchill has always been top notch, and therefore this gaudi release just seemed like an insult to consumers. i'm just going to drop the ball on this one, as i don't think i quite understand the whole label business to begin with
edit: yeah, please resend the invite. link is dead.. somehow this one got past me. i left feedback on the two previous ED releases.
cheers m8
klaus
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Banel
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Posted : Jan 5, 2008 00:25
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I wish more people would take the extra time and order direct from the labels or artists. It the best way to support what you like and to ensure the artists can keep doing their work/art.
I know from many years of experience just how difficult it is to deal with distributors and shops etc. And over the years it has just become worse. So if more people would start thinking bout it and not always just go for the easiest solution. I have even thought about this: to just offer the cds from our labels own shop; but its a radical idea that could do more damage than good. Who knows? It might just work...
Btw, thank you andrew & naasko for the eat digital promoes, its much appreciated
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andrew interchill
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Posted : Jan 5, 2008 01:14
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thanks all the for the feedback. I'll follow up the various leads.
bear in mind what Banel said... when you buy an album from saiko or psyshop you may get it a bit cheaper, but we and the artists split way way less. Say just under 7 $ compared to 15 on our site.
i'm not suggesting that this is a charity - people should do what suits them best...
and I'm very glad the likes of Saiko and Psyshop continue to do business... they do a great job.
Somnia is a brilliant idea and works in practice. I'm not sure if it is a model that suits us.
cutting out all the middlemen means you can sell far fewer cd's and yet bring in as much revenue as a regular label selling 3 times as many units.
and if you also happen to be an artist then you keep all your revenue. this trade off is worth it to some - to others the admin intrudes on the creative side of life.
if anyone out there has a valid request to be on our digital promo list then feel free to get in touch and make your case.
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andrew interchill
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Posted : Jan 5, 2008 01:19
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BTW... in an earlier post i said we like to offer freebies on very high traffic services such as this one... i meant E Music.
E Music have free tracks available - and offering something for free there will get your music into the hands of many people - probably most of whom are not already followers of your sounds.
this is because many people browse that site by looking at what charts - and free stuff goes right up the charts.
ask your aggregator or contact emusic direct.
they generate very good revenue |
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damon
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Posted : Jan 5, 2008 03:02
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On 2008-01-05 01:14, andrew interchill wrote:
bear in mind what Banel said... when you buy an album from saiko or psyshop you may get it a bit cheaper, but we and the artists split way way less. Say just under 7 $ compared to 15 on our site.
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Then why price on average label's website can not be at least the same (or slightly lower) as on average reseller's site? There are few labels out there that sell their cds directly to their customers for slightly less (sometimes using different channels like discogs for example). Does it work only for small labels?
Maybe my questions sound silly but I just don't know how this business looks from the inside
I'm just curious (as always)
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andrew interchill
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Posted : Jan 5, 2008 03:29
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we can set our prices, but we cannot influence reseller pricing
resellers can offer good deals because they enjoy economies of scale due to the large volume of business they do. This also allows them to provide a very good service with regard to shipping for example. I'm very glad they are around - because they do a lot to keep music sales and related businesses alive.
we've played around with offering cd's for less, having specials and it does not really seem to make any real difference to the volume of sales. you'd think it should. many many people still don't buy the music they acquire - even those at only one or two degrees of separation.
in the end we decide what we think it is worth and fix the price
people like the resellers because they have a deep selection - i'd say this is often the main attraction rather than price - you can get all your music in one transaction, one package.
anyone wanting to do mail order can email me and if it is an order of 2-4 units then you'll probably save money - and i may be able to chuck a freebie into the package. |
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Banel
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Posted : Jan 5, 2008 21:21
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... I can add that shops and distributors very often claim 10% extra copies for free, which brings the cd price even more down for them and that they in almost every case get months of credit, which they often dont live up to, most big distributors also want the option to return even after 1 year, a thing that can be very dangerous., i could go on but the point is made, theres too many reasons for bying direct, but i am fully aware that its far from being possible to have a good sale direct.. But its all up to the ones who buy, how they do it.. I am honestly tired of all the hassle with selling CDs, its going to be an exiting year 2008, lets see what will happen i hope things will change for the better.....
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Fallen Angel
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Posted : Jan 5, 2008 22:47
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oh please
Shut up
This is the Chillout Zone
go get a room! |
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andrew interchill
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Posted : Jan 6, 2008 01:25
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personally I find what Banel says interesting - and he is certainly qualified to speak about these things. The goal of all this forum posting is to exchange info, respond to comments, suggestions and see what other topics or talking points emerge.
If you have nothing useful to add or no interest in the topic then why post...?
A topic is kind of like a room if you think about it... could you shut the door behind you when you leave ?
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maux
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Posted : Jan 6, 2008 15:13
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On 2008-01-05 21:21, Banel wrote:
... I can add that shops and distributors very often claim 10% extra copies for free, which brings the cd price even more down for them and that they in almost every case get months of credit, which they often dont live up to, most big distributors also want the option to return even after 1 year, a thing that can be very dangerous., i could go on but the point is made, theres too many reasons for bying direct, but i am fully aware that its far from being possible to have a good sale direct.. But its all up to the ones who buy, how they do it.. I am honestly tired of all the hassle with selling CDs, its going to be an exiting year 2008, lets see what will happen i hope things will change for the better.....
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I agree...and I actually think that buying direct is the best responsible buy a "consumer" can do...even if it is more expensive than buying from the middle man.
I personally think that a way forward could be the subscriptions...like it is for paper publishing many times...it could give the label the enough oxygen (cash) to invest in quality releases.
consumers are so spoiled this days that they complain even when they have a promo copy...lol.
fallen angel, thanks for your very interesting contribution...go get a parachute 
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Banel
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Posted : Jan 7, 2008 00:12
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On 2008-01-06 15:13, maux wrote:
I agree...and I actually think that buying direct is the best responsible buy a "consumer" can do...even if it is more expensive than buying from the middle man.
I personally think that a way forward could be the subscriptions...like it is for paper publishing many times...it could give the label the enough oxygen (cash) to invest in quality releases.
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Subscribtions is a very good idea and we have thought of it in the past too, if i really like a labels output and could get a good deal along the way i would probably go for it.
It could also in best case be an indicator of how many to print in the first place.
And as the money already is in the bank, everyone could get paid without delay and problems, even advances would be easy to get paid because the subscribers invested too.
No matter what arguments one can come up with, to buy direct from a label is a good key for a labels (incl. artists) success. But in the same round i believe that it will only be useful for some labels; an expensive system must be developed and the label must have a somewhat strong following.
Honestly, where I see it loose, is because there is so much music, that it is very hard to find "a cd or track" in the vast amount of CDs available, new cds releasing all the time and among music releasing on the net every week, music that in many cases have a "short life". Not many people have the time to search around that much and tend to stick to what they know or have heard about from friends / radio-tv etc, or find by coincidence.
Not many in our street have the finances to boost massive campaigns.
And what is it we want in the end? well i can only speak for myself in this case; I want the business that has been my life during many years to be a healthy one; one that we at the label can live from and the artists can live from too , so we can keep creating and keep on developing something we believe in and want to spend a good part of our lives on.
This label and all the activities around it is a passion and it has become a lifes work, thats why i am willing to discuss these matters to death, fallen angel.....
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