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The Chilling Spirit
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Posted : Dec 30, 2007 12:18
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On 2007-12-29 19:30, maux wrote:
they estimate that already today the electricity consumed by internet in US is nearly the 25% of the total energy production... |
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I'd like a source for that, heh.
Digital releases are nice if they are properly encoded, tagged, reasonable priced and DRM-free. Disregard any of this and the pirates/home-copies are better.
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maux
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Posted : Dec 30, 2007 16:45
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On 2007-12-30 10:34, koalakube wrote:
call me old skool,Im prefectly fine with the music business changing model,but an mp3 will never replace a cd as an e-book will never replace a real book in my agenda ^.^
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@ Chilling spirit
you can find many sources with different opinions and numbers...do your own research if you are interested...but it is a fact that IT age is expensive, power consuming, not eco friendly...you don't need to be a visionar to imagine what is going on.
this is from wikipedia about google hardware in year 2000:
google in using 450.000 servers that use 20 megawatts and cost 2 milion US $ in electricity bills. 6000 server farms.
The exact size and whereabouts of the data centers Google uses are unknown, and official figures remain intentionally vague. they are building a supercomputer near Portland of the size of 2 football fields, 4 stories high ! (and youtube is not included here...and what about the myspaces...and the servers for iTUnes or Beatport and on and on)...
....blah blah blah "There is only one corner of the universe you can be certain will never improve, and that's here." Aldus |
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Bluetech
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Posted : Dec 30, 2007 18:43
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Ok,. but what is more ecologically responsible for a _single_ consumer?
1. Purchase files on Itunes, and download instantly.
2. Plastic is manufactured and shipped to pressing plant with huge carbon footprint. CD is manufactured, using more energy. CD is shipped to label, causing more energy consumption. CDs are shipped to distributor causing more energy consumption. CD's are shipped to retailer causing more energy consumption. Consumer drives in car to store to buy CD causing more energy consumption to purchase plastic disc inside plastic case (or digipak with plastic saddle for CD).
Im sorry, though digital files are not a zero in terms of ecological impact, they are still a much better option for each consumer and are not using gas in a number of steps to get the product.
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elektric sheep
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Posted : Dec 30, 2007 23:50
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the problem with CD's is where to store them...its now a problem for me...
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Banel
Behind Blue Eyes
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Posted : Dec 31, 2007 01:52
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General CD sales in our scene also speaks for itself... When you add how difficult it can be to do business with distributors and others, there we have the result. The download market will do good, but its far from being strong enough yet..
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andrew interchill
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Posted : Jan 2, 2008 22:56
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On 2007-12-27 18:52, damon wrote:
So I'm checking their website and see that Gaudi's remix EP is available for sale. Soon I realized there are only 2 remixes + 2 original tracks from "Bass, sweat ..." on this release. For $11.57. Ouch. But I love Gaudi's work - cd goes to the basket. I'm deciding to add another cd and proceeding to checkout. Another shock: $10 for shipping of 2 cds? 1 cd + 2 new tracks actually..... I give up. I know shipping from Canada to US is expensive. But is it more expensive than overseas shipping (Psyshop charged me $7.40 for 2 cds)?
I know those are small differences but I woke up in bad mood and this made my day even worse and I had to vent it out :/
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Damon - it is a limited edition cd. No apologies for the price. If you like Gaudi's new material then you'll probably like it.
re shipping we have just updated our rates to a per cd basis as opposed to the per order basis from before.
psy shop may be cheaper but they don't have it - it is really not an accurate comparison with buying direct from a label.
you could try backroads in USA
essentially our approach is to give a higher value to finished cd's based upon the knowledge that is now mainly a collector's market.
up to you and everyone else to decide what they want to collect - and what they're happy to have in lite format
cheers and happy 08
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damon
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Posted : Jan 3, 2008 03:25
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On 2008-01-02 22:56, andrew interchill wrote:
Damon - it is a limited edition cd. No apologies for the price. If you like Gaudi's new material then you'll probably like it.
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I like the music - don't get me wrong. I just don't understand why there are only 2 remixes - if you take look at most of "remix" releases they usually contain ONLY remixes. Throwing 2 original tracks is not fair imho (it would if this ep was released as a promoting single for upcoming full album).
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re shipping we have just updated our rates to a per cd basis as opposed to the per order basis from before.
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Great news 
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xerxes[no]
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Posted : Jan 3, 2008 04:09
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On 2008-01-02 22:56, andrew interchill wrote:
Damon - it is a limited edition cd. No apologies for the price. If you like Gaudi's new material then you'll probably like it.
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andrew,
you still sell 2 songs for 11 something dollars! i know everyone talks about --support the labels--, --support the artists--, but you know.. at some point the labels should also support their customers. this release could have been, and _should_ have been posted for free as a high quality digital download. if you do not have material enough for a complete CD, don't release it as a collectors item at a ridicilous price. it's a rip-off regardless of how good the music is.
and andrew, don't take this as a personal attack on your label.. it's not at all. it is just my honest opinion.
klaus
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Outolintu
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Posted : Jan 3, 2008 08:52
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On 2007-12-30 18:43, Bluetech wrote:
Ok,. but what is more ecologically responsible for a _single_ consumer?
1. Purchase files on Itunes, and download instantly.
2. Plastic is manufactured and shipped to pressing plant with huge carbon footprint. CD is manufactured, using more energy. CD is shipped to label, causing more energy consumption. CDs are shipped to distributor causing more energy consumption. CD's are shipped to retailer causing more energy consumption. Consumer drives in car to store to buy CD causing more energy consumption to purchase plastic disc inside plastic case (or digipak with plastic saddle for CD).
Im sorry, though digital files are not a zero in terms of ecological impact, they are still a much better option for each consumer and are not using gas in a number of steps to get the product.
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it's far easier to do the eco-math for a cd than for the whole digital d.load business. ofcourse if your argument is that everyone has a computer + all the needed accessories already no matter if they listen to and download music then you might have a case.
but honestly, if you think of all the plastic parts a single computer and it's accessories are made of, the servers, internet providers, energy consumption etc etc you'll have to admit that it's not a eco friendly solution either.
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damon
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Posted : Jan 3, 2008 17:52
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On 2008-01-02 22:56, andrew interchill wrote:
re shipping we have just updated our rates to a per cd basis as opposed to the per order basis from before.
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CCNow is still charging $5 per cd for shipping. ???
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andrew interchill
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Posted : Jan 3, 2008 22:52
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damon and klaus...
this particular cd is in support of the re-release of Gaudi's album Bass, Sweat & Tears - which is only recently available again after selling through. Mainly we expect licensing and digital sales, but we did press up a very limited amount of cd's for those that want to buy them and have a real cd. strictly speaking it is a 4 track ep.
i think the web is good in that it allows potential buyers to preview music, contrast prices and shipping options and then make an informed decision. i.e. we can buy with our eyes and ears open and ensure we get what we want. how can you apply the concept of rip off to this method of purchase ?
if someone does not want it for whatever reason then they do not have to make a purchase. forgive me for stating the obvious, but you seem to be losing sight of this fundamental.
and yes - postage fees are scaled on a per item basis for different territories.
Like I said - cd's have become more not less valuable. That is the way the trend has been going and where it is likely heading.
Rather than fight it, we embrace it and adjust our approach. We saw this coming years ago when we formed our publishing company in an effort not to be so dependent upon a shrinking cd sales market.
We will do more 4 track ep's in support of album releases. From our perspective they make a lot of sense as we use them to mail out to key promo people [both in physical and also wav format], licensees and for digital. We also let the artist keep a box to use for their own needs. really - the sale of a small number of them to collectors is very much an added bonus. Probably more people would complain if there were none available for sale at all.
for the most part we will also work with other mixes by the artist rather than going the traditional route of the remix album. Quality control is very difficult on remix albums - and you burn bridges quickly if you put quality ahead of relationships - especially if the remixer did the work as a trade or a favour. So the result is often remix albums with only a few good tunes. Not worth bothering with.
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visine
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Posted : Jan 4, 2008 02:10
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On 2008-01-03 17:52, damon wrote:
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On 2008-01-02 22:56, andrew interchill wrote:
re shipping we have just updated our rates to a per cd basis as opposed to the per order basis from before.
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CCNow is still charging $5 per cd for shipping. ???
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Don't forget $US is pretty much equal to $CAN at the moment.
5 bucks for sending one to two CD's between Canada and US sounds pretty reasonable. A buck or two for the bubble envelope and 3-4 bucks for the postage..
A few years ago it was $1US = $1.50CAN.
It must suck to get paid in $US and shop internationally nowdays because the American dollar depreciated quite a bit lately
Think about it in terms of exchange rate. Andrew pretty much gets the same amount of money but you have to pay more than you did before.
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xerxes[no]
Xerxes
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Posted : Jan 4, 2008 02:56
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On 2008-01-03 22:52, andrew interchill wrote:
if someone does not want it for whatever reason then they do not have to make a purchase. forgive me for stating the obvious, but you seem to be losing sight of this fundamental.
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this argument makes no sense to me whatsoever. did you even read what i wrote in my post?
a customer of your label whom collects gaudi's work is likely to buy every single VA with gaudi on it + his solo works + remixes etc. knowing this i still don't think it is at all fair of you to sell them two tracks at the price you are (with shipping, each track comes to 8-9 dollars?). and it _is_ two tracks you are selling, as the two other tracks are allready available on earlier gaudi work and hence totally useless.
i would like to know this: you say this EP is a promotional gig for the re-release of his earlier album. fine with me. but why not release it for free as a digital download? if you did that, then i would be fine with the limited edition 2 track EP at any price, because it would give fans of gaudi a viable choice (also, you would reach a ton more people this way). i think you are not adjusting to the mp3/wav trends with this strategy of yours..(look at radiohead).. you are going in the complete oppostite direction, making music more expensive and trying to make it more exclusive (when it really isn't).
klaus
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damon
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Posted : Jan 4, 2008 07:53
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On 2008-01-04 02:10, visine wrote:
Don't forget $US is pretty much equal to $CAN at the moment.
5 bucks for sending one to two CD's between Canada and US sounds pretty reasonable. A buck or two for the bubble envelope and 3-4 bucks for the postage..
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No. It's $5 for 1 cd, $10 for two, $15 for 3 etc.
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A few years ago it was $1US = $1.50CAN.
It must suck to get paid in $US and shop internationally nowdays because the American dollar depreciated quite a bit lately
Think about it in terms of exchange rate. Andrew pretty much gets the same amount of money but you have to pay more than you did before.
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I'm aware of it. I pay more and more for every single item purchased outside US (I buy music all over the planet).
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maux
Mauxuam
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Posted : Jan 4, 2008 15:42
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On 2007-12-30 18:43, Bluetech wrote:
Ok,. but what is more ecologically responsible for a _single_ consumer?
1. Purchase files on Itunes, and download instantly.
2. Plastic is manufactured and shipped to pressing plant with huge carbon footprint. CD is manufactured, using more energy. CD is shipped to label, causing more energy consumption. CDs are shipped to distributor causing more energy consumption. CD's are shipped to retailer causing more energy consumption. Consumer drives in car to store to buy CD causing more energy consumption to purchase plastic disc inside plastic case (or digipak with plastic saddle for CD).
Im sorry, though digital files are not a zero in terms of ecological impact, they are still a much better option for each consumer and are not using gas in a number of steps to get the product.
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mmm...I am sorry but this is just digital propaganda.
Outolintu did some good math about it.
consider that a computer consume more electricity than a cd player too...and far more than a turntable.(let's go back to grammophones then!)
I don't mind at all labels going for the digital dwnld market because is more convenient and fast and direct and comfortable for the consumer...but please don't try to sell me the fact that you doing it to save the planet !...I am not buying that.
about the original post re:Gaudi remixes.
oh well...have you considered that maybe someone does not have the original tunes (the album) ?
and IMO this is a classic way to do it, jamaican style (they invented it)...you release the remixes together with the originals, especially if it is a collector item and especially if you going to use the cd in the usual way, playing it with a cd player and not from a computer...then it is far better to have both versions on the same piece of plastic.
when I used to buy vynil I had many doubles...and it was actually good...this way if one would get scratched I had another copy.
at the bottom line IMO if you are a real collector you should not mind the extra costs...instead if you want to save $$$ then you have the option of the download....I think it's easy and fair.
(not everybody has a computer and broadband...I know it sounds weird to the US citizens here...but it is like that still in most of the planet...thanks god).
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