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manu
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Posted : Apr 14, 2004 07:53
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Have you ever considered buying an original psytrance CD ?
I love buying music online. I always keep visiting saikosounds to check out new released albums. I listen to every track sample provided before buying .. and sadly i hardly find any album WORTH buying.
Now the topic is about what kind of music would an average listener (not a DJ) choose to buy ?
Since i am not any commercial DJ and buy music for myself to listen at home alone.. I would abviously look for such music to which atleast i can listen to 20-25 times.
There are many many kickass .. killer .. tracks coming on and on in our scene which are good.. but the question is are you gonna listen to them again and again ? You hear them once or twice in a party .. dance your ass off .. and then its gone. So is such kind of music worth buying if you are kind of done with it.. i mean youve had the fun ..and it is not giving u the same buzz again ?
There are very few out of many albums releasing in our scene which are worth buying.. if you consider fullonfullpower i give example of psydrop-fantasy seeds. Although its full on music it has got the quality ..we can make out the efforts taken is making the music.. so i bought the CD. Infecteds album ..i got it last year and still i am listening to it .. such music reflects the talent of artist .. efforts taken in the making of ultimate tunes and syncronization. Its worth buying.. same goes to OTT.
Whereas ..for eg.. Party Pooper - what a FULLON track by Eskimo.. !! i would say i had not heard this much ON track before.. i heard it twice in a party.. and danced like crazy.. But i cant think about buying it. you get my point ?
So i would say even there are so many good tracks coming in our scene we cant think of buying them unless they are long lasting for an average user. So if you guys really want us to buy music make quality stuff which we would want to hear again and again ..it should also be effective without any influence of drugs.. then it will sell more..
Music which is made up with efforts and feelings always get paid for it.. may it be trance.. may it be heavy metal or may it be a boyband.
Now the question is, then who will buy music which is good but not long life ?
DJ ought to buy every good music .. coz he is getting paid for it and if not he is playing it for so many people.. so even if he plays a track in couple of parties it becomes worth it.
For a normal person.. mp3 is the only good option to listen to short life good music.
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sAiNt X
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Posted : Apr 14, 2004 08:23
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I totally understand you but if you-
1. Think you will enjoy the cd (if its in your house, your car or on your discman..)
2. Respect the artist and his work
You shuld get the cd not only because you will enjoy it, also because by buying the original cd you will know that you are helping the artist and the labels keep working, And if everyone will go this way the trance scence will only get better.
peace
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manu
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Posted : Apr 14, 2004 08:35
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Full respect to artists.. and am also glad so many artists are making loads and loads of music. Every other day i get to hear new artist name. So its all good .. but i am agaisnt the people who insist on buying music to listen to it. How can we buy all the music ? I am paying $15 for a CD then obvoiusly i would think of buying CD for my pleasure and to which i can listen to again and again.
I get the point of helping artists and labels to keep them working.. but then it becomes expensive for me to buy good music which is worth 4-5 listenings yet costs > $10.
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Posted : Apr 14, 2004 09:19
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manu very valid point regarding the stress of buying on the psy scene.
if we are saying all the time how small our scene is then that means that the consumer side is also small. so in effect this scene is exergting a heavier cost on its end -consumers.
this stress cannot work in praticality for extended periods of time in any aspect of consumer/producer relationship.
how can we expect labels to do well? there arent enough people in the first place to buy things from them at a "normal" level.
why are we infact tormenting our potential and active buyers?
why are we bombarding them with new cd's every week from diffrent labels and expect everyone to keep pace?
why do we get upset when downloading happens after this?
why do we not see that we are exhausting the only well we are drinking from?
why do we expect people to pay 19$avg X 52 weeks = ? $988 avg. a year on cd's that 40 of which on the avg will never be listened to again after a few months.
there are conclusions to draw here... "On the other hand, you have different fingers."
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manu
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Posted : Apr 14, 2004 10:36
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Now when 80% of tracks in our scene are forgettable after a month or so , although they blasted during the time they came in , how can artists expect us to buy them just to use them for a month or so unless we are a DJ?
If 20% of tracks are really good inspite of listening to them repeatedly they are worth buying and more and more people will buy them. This ratio should be inversed in order to call trance commercial.
I understand psyscene is small and thus the consumers. But at present talks are about commericalism. Artists sell their stuff to record labels who keep ranting on and on for end user to buy music no matter what is the quality and life of music.
I think , every artists should give only quality stuff to the record label companies and lot of other stuff which is also good but come-and-go types they should either sell them in cheaper rates or offer downloads by charging a fair amount of membership fee.
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timsensient
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Posted : Apr 14, 2004 11:37
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most of the music i hear at parties is music made purely for the dancefloor...and it is forgettable. It does the job when in the moment at a party, loud, lots of people excited and on drugs...but once this moment has passed does it have any worth? I think good music in this scene is about a balance between musical/creative integrity (which should come first) and then its gotta make people groove hard at the same time...
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zooter
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Posted : Apr 14, 2004 11:59
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wise words surrender.....respect! you seem to be a gr8 businessman! are u a salesman by profession? |
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manu
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Posted : Apr 14, 2004 14:21
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atleast give 50% discount or something after one month of release  |
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binary_me
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Posted : Apr 14, 2004 16:27
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i guess these are the reasons why compilations fluorish .....
and there should be a "make ur own cd" choice on websites .....
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Basilisk
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Posted : Apr 14, 2004 17:52
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I agree fully, even as a DJ... I have bought many CDs this year (40+) yet I have many to sell as well - simply because I'll like something for a few days or weeks when I get it, but it gets old quick - it has no staying power.
Then there is the opposite side: Prometheus. Here is a CD I know I will be enjoying some day, but for now I put it on and it feels like something is missing or incomplete. Some of my favourite albums started out this way - the brain needs time to process what it receives when it is really good perhaps? All I know is that I expect the Prometheus album to mature like cellared wine.
Aside from that, I can't really think of any album I've bought in 2004 that is going to have a lasting effect. Hmm... except for Haltya - that's an album for many places, many times. Robots are good, you see?
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Acidhive
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Posted : Apr 14, 2004 18:04
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Sure. But I agree with Saint X here. If you listen to an album or compilation online, and you seem to like it, then just buy it! Or perhaps you want the entire scene to collapse just because you think nothing is WORTH buying??
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Posted : Apr 14, 2004 18:27
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It's no surprise that most people don't want to buy music made purely for the dancefloor. thankfully there is chillout music, for the rest of our lives when we aren't dancing. i think the burgeoning chillout scene is producing much more valuable music for the home listener right now.
it's not so different if you look at other dance scenes (e.g. house, techno, DnB, etc) - almost all the new releases are vinyl, home listeners aren't expected to buy the stuff, and the market is supported purely by dj's.
However, consider this:
Artist albums that are just a collection of sound-alike dancefloor tracks are obviously not very appealing to anybody but dj's. However, if the artists were to put a little more variation and surprises into their cd's, that could change. If they were to put more variation into their releases then the perceived value of the cd would go up, and so would sales. One release I can think of off the top of my head that does this is Etnoscope - Drums From the Dawn of Time. There's chillout tracks, there's morning progressive, there's techy stompy stuff, etc. |
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Posted : Apr 14, 2004 18:28
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On 2004-04-14 18:04, Acidhive wrote:
Or perhaps you want the entire scene to collapse just because you think nothing is WORTH buying??
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this is exactly the over-pressure i'm talking about. too much expectations from people to maintain and carry the load for a small unhealthy scene.
"On the other hand, you have different fingers."
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krelm
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Posted : Apr 14, 2004 19:01
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On 2004-04-14 18:27, grahf wrote:
However, if the artists were to put a little more variation and surprises into their cd's, that could change. If they were to put more variation into their releases then the perceived value of the cd would go up, and so would sales. |
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If you look at most other electronic music scenes, you will find that this is the standard. In the rare occasions that an artist album is released, it is always a diverse work meant for the listener, NOT THE DJ, in mind. It is rare that you will see an artist album that is all (or even mostly) dancefloor tracks. Look at most artist albums released in the last year in the breaks scene - a lot of thought and work has gone into them being good for the home listener, not only the DJ.
I don't see that happening in the psy scene. Most albums are just collections of 8-10 dancefloor killers with perhaps one downtempo track in the end. No diversity whatsoever. That is not really an issue for DJs, but I could see why casual listeners might be turned off.
It might just be that most psy artists are too pigeonholed into one single style to really make a high-quality diverse album. 
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Posted : Apr 14, 2004 19:05
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good point krelm and on top of that, they get critized when they do attempt to make something artistic as was the case in infected mushroom's double cd one purely made for home listening and the other is not total dancefloor either.
artifakt was another artist who made a diverse album... it didnt sell much either. "On the other hand, you have different fingers."
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