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Music (Worth) Buying

Tiny Giant
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Posted : Apr 14, 2004 20:01

Techno music is fast moving music. In all styles.
In this music scene there are no "oldies" like in the pop business for example.

pop music, like madonna for example, has more "soul" then techno coz of the singing part in the music. you can reach more ppl with such music.
and there are many ppl that hear old stuff from madonna again and again....

most ppl hear techno music under drugs and thats a reason why the music sounds big on partys.

do you use drugs when you listen music at home?

the psy scene is too fast for high quality. see gms how many tracks they make in a month.
and many labels release music that i really donīt want to get for free coz of the big bad quality.

i hope that the quality will grow in future...

BOOM
Tiny Giant
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Posted : Apr 14, 2004 20:20
Quote:

On 2004-04-14 14:21, manu wrote:
atleast give 50% discount or something after one month of release



hehe... that would be nice.. but there is a problem...

the label gets per cd 4 euro, then the wholesale dealer puts on about 4 - 5 euro,
then the local records store takes 4 - 5 euro.
and on all this money comes the value tax added.

all these ppl need this money for their business to stay alive.

thatīs the reason why they sell cds at high price as long as it is possible.
Acidhive
IsraTrance Full Member

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Posted : Apr 14, 2004 20:28
Artifakt's album was diverse, but it sucked overall. The tracks Artifakt has released on compilations are much better. Anyway, diversity is fine by me, but it takes a good artist to pull it off. And most artists just can't do it. And, Mechanik, if you think we are pushing people too much in buying albums, then consider this: the scene IS (rather) small and underground, so artists will want to see their tracks sell on compilations and their own studio albums. Now, just imagine YOU were a psytrance producer for a moment. Wouldn't you recommend people to buy a cd when they seem to like the soundclips they've listened online? Yeah, I thought so. You see the point here? And about the many labels: Would there really be so many if psytrance didn't sell?? Concluding: This scene thrives on the people that are totally committed to it and buy stuff all the time. All I'm saying is that we shouldn't encourage people to just buy NOTHING at all...           "Subconscious unravels at the point of death, and all time it has known erupts into a moment. As death extinguishes us, so we become it."

[Esoteric: Subconscious Dissolution Into The Continuum]
Acidhive
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Posted : Apr 14, 2004 20:29
Artifakt's album was diverse, but it sucked overall. The tracks Artifakt has released on compilations are much better. Anyway, diversity is fine by me, but it takes a good artist to pull it off. And most artists just can't do it. And, Mechanik, if you think we are pushing people too much in buying albums, then consider this: the scene IS (rather) small and underground, so artists will want to see their tracks sell on compilations and their own studio albums. Now, just imagine YOU were a psytrance producer for a moment. Wouldn't you recommend people to buy a cd when they seem to like the soundclips they've listened online? Yeah, I thought so. You see the point here? And about the many labels: Would there really be so many if psytrance didn't sell?? Concluding: This scene thrives on the people that are totally committed to it and buy stuff all the time. All I'm saying is that we shouldn't encourage people to just buy NOTHING at all...           "Subconscious unravels at the point of death, and all time it has known erupts into a moment. As death extinguishes us, so we become it."

[Esoteric: Subconscious Dissolution Into The Continuum]
Basilisk
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Posted : Apr 14, 2004 20:44
Quote:

On 2004-04-14 20:01, Tiny Giant wrote:

Techno music is fast moving music. In all styles.
In this music scene there are no "oldies" like in the pop business for example.

pop music, like madonna for example, has more "soul" then techno coz of the singing part in the music. you can reach more ppl with such music.
and there are many ppl that hear old stuff from madonna again and again...



Aha! This is the issue then... artists making techno music with the veneer of trance? For there are indeed "oldies" to this music - take a survey and find out how popular the albums from Power Source, MFG, Pleiadians, and Cosmosis still are... their strength has not diminished over the years - the sounds still excite listeners the whole world over. What were these guys doing differently? Putting their souls into their sound, I think!

I know for a fact that producers in this realm can create timeless art. Perhaps some artists are concentrating too much on the ephemeral 'now' to really put some deep thought into their compositions?
Surrender
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Posted : Apr 14, 2004 20:48
Acidhive all i said is that much pressure is exergerted on a rather small population.           "On the other hand, you have different fingers."
http://myspace.com/gadimon
GLXY


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Posted : Apr 14, 2004 21:32
The real bullsh*t is the fact that the most avantgarde style of electronic music is (apparently) the very last when it comes to electronically distribution of music... while one can buy pop music on a per track basis on plattforms like iTunes, Napster2, eMusic and alike and save alot money by buying only tracks one really likes, one cannot do so with psytrance. Instead one is forced to buy alot of sh*t only to get one diamond (or two) too...
Coz the "system" charges u alot money for nothing. But fact is nowadays no one needs labels... We have the internet and any moron of an artist can sell his fuck*ng music directly to his clientele. No big infrastructure is needed, just some brain.
-- sorry for bad english --
nobody_3
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Posted : Apr 14, 2004 21:34
There's a lot of variated brilliant artists CD's out there. All you need to do is look for it

And the labels need to improve their promotion skills !!!


last:

Try to look for music outside our little scene. You wont die because you listen to rock, pop, raggae, jazz, classic music ect. ect. too much of the same kind of music will make everyone complain
Nomolos(Zenon Rec.)
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Posted : Apr 14, 2004 22:17
ill stary with u EP....why do u tink u are the only one here that dares to listen to anything else but trance?????

GLXY...i agree with u in allmost everything u said...i really think that artists should sell their own music and than save on all the very expensive bullshit around it...if an artists is good enough to master his music-GREAT if not pay some one that can do it or maybe share the profits of the cd.....
make it possible on your domain to listen to your trax and to order them...
this has many advantages....first to develop a closer relation between the artists and the crowed(e-mails etc.)
second...all the throat cutters are out of the game...stores,labels,middlemen etc. etc.
third more possibilities as far as the buyer...order some trax....perhaps order some more....very cheap coast(for the music and shipping) no reason to complain..u heard the music,u spoke to the creator u got it for cheap...perfect i think.
same goes for the artist the other way around...less throat cutters!!! first hand feedback from listeners,no need to pay the whole fucking world!!! if your service, attitude and music are good people will keep buying(so fast,nice guy and great tunes...y not??)...
possible? or am i dreaming of a better world again?
cheers.

oh yeah one more thing...about PUBLICITY...
put a link to your music on the important trance forums world wide(wont take more than an hour or 2)....im sure thousands will look for u if your good!!!
if your a known artists allready...even easier...just DARE TO CHANGE!!
          "....or is it???"

www.zenonrecords.com
www.myspace.com/thenomolos
GLXY


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Posted : Apr 14, 2004 22:42
@djnomolos... yes you name it. Perfect! Thats the way it really should be... But holy wisdom, when will they learn?           x-dream, the delta, midi miliz, spirallianz, battle of the future buddhas, synthetic, dogma3000, etc
ZeRo
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Posted : Apr 14, 2004 23:04
wise words all around here, a nice read through.
i think dance music---which arguably includes heavier chillout---has an inherent schizophrenia within it. on one hand make music for the floor on the other hand make music that is home sound system friendly. In any case, to relate to the topic of the thread i think it depends on what you enjoy listening to at hom, personally i like to dance in my room and have those dancefloor killers but what i consider to be the crem of psy music is interesting and diverse enough to listen to casually. download ONE track! then see if that artist satiates your home listening needs. THEN BUY THE ALBUm, and enjoy.

peace           ein chadash tachat hashemesh. there is nothing new under the sun. --kohelet.
ND
ProSect

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Posted : Apr 14, 2004 23:31
ok man, each one and his taste, what can rock 1000 times to me maybe will not do the job for you. here is some of cd's that like you said i can hear many times (tried to mention not so old ones):

Trance:

Rinkadink - Rabbit From Darkside
Jupiter 8000 - Twisted Bliss
Joujouka - Are You Elovetric
Akanoid - Instant Summer
Suria - Logical Evolution
Kiwa - Retro Active
Puzzled
Deedrah - Body And Soul
Scorb
Protoculture - Refractions
Dark Soho - Combustion
Wizzy Noise - Elecktro Theater

Ambient:

OTT - Blumenkraft
Younger Brother - A Flock Of Bleeps
Shulman - In Search Of A Meaningful Moment
Bluetech - Prima Materia
Orbient - Music For The ISS
Solar Fields - Blue Moon Station
Angelic Science
Aural Planet - Acoustic Plantation Releases
Violet Vision - Unfold

Bonus:

The Crystal Method - Legion Of Boom

that's it for now don't wanna mention all my oldies that still got played here

and just look harder i'm sure you will find some in sea of releases.
          Without Deviation, Progress Is Not Possible.

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Tiny Giant
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Posted : Apr 15, 2004 00:52
Quote:

On 2004-04-14 20:44, basilisk wrote:

What were these guys doing differently? Putting their souls into their sound, I think!

I know for a fact that producers in this realm can create timeless art. Perhaps some artists are concentrating too much on the ephemeral 'now' to really put some deep thought into their compositions?



when there is no difference as you say why trance cds donīt sell like pop cds?

you canīt compare the energy of pop music with the energy of techno music.
a good pop band sales 100.000 copys and a good trance act about 5000 copys maximum.

the most psy musicans are no real musicans... they are sound designer!
a logical rhytm + some melodys and sounds.. A + B = C !!!
itīs logical music and many people can do it at home nowadays.

the most psy musicans canīt make real music coz of not beeing real musicans!

and if they are real musicans why they make psy trance?

BOOM
GLXY


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Posted : Apr 15, 2004 03:17
@Tiny Giant... Psytrance is far more abstract music than pop. Its high tech. Mind-boggling. Obviously less ppl can handle that. Simple minds may need something to fix on like lyrics and simple sound patterns. High tech minds may like abstract things, like wired sounds and alike... And not forget one can put so much (e)motions into a peace of electronic music by "stacking" powerfull sounds. There is no limit. Not so with lyrics - they are either boring and or nonsense .           x-dream, the delta, midi miliz, spirallianz, battle of the future buddhas, synthetic, dogma3000, etc
manu
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Posted : Apr 15, 2004 07:33
I would to like to clarify , I understand the importance,significance and necesscity
of dancefloor killers or come-rock-and-go type of tracks. Such tracks are needed in
the parties.. and DJ would not like to repeat same dance floor killers in many parties,
so its always good to have such tracks coming in frequently. I guess there are tons
of DJs in the scene , and i hope they all are buying the music they play.

Quote:

Acidhive :
Or perhaps you want the entire scene to collapse just because you think nothing is WORTH buying??


We definitely dont want this to happen. Otherwise i wouldnt have open this topic at
first place. I want our lovely scene to expand quality wise along with quantity. Its
the love for this music and we really need to sort out the way for artist to get paid
enough for their efforts.

Quote:

grahf :
It's no surprise that most people don't want to buy music made purely for the dancefloor. thankfully there is chillout music, for the rest of our lives when we aren't dancing. i think the burgeoning chillout scene is producing much more valuable music for the home listener right now.


I agree with you grahf , chill out music sells more when it comes to home listeners.
But there are exceptions like the recent album DIGITARIA .. its realy good to trip
alone at home during the night time. There are also kind of tracks in which you always
keep discovering something new or u feel this is sounding different now and its worth !
you may call it progressive. But we need such compositions more to maintain the quality.
We have Trance Ganesha peace yatra every year. This track Shiva Devotional is played
every year and dancing power is always full !! theres power in this track which will
never die.


Quote:

Zero :
download ONE track! then see if that artist satiates your home listening needs. THEN BUY THE

ALBUm, and enjoy.


Thats what i do many times


Thanks for the info PROSECT , i did expect such album names to come out so
many of them who are not aware of the CDs they can think of buying can
check them out !!
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