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Posted : Feb 5, 2004 21:31
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beru i agree with you on some points, yes, "good feeling and good taste" but..
technique and quality is first imo. 
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timsensient
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Posted : Feb 6, 2004 01:46
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Elysium Project wrote:
P.S. I seriously doubt that many artists with respect for their own music and work would give a DJ mp3 files of their tracks! If they ever wanted to give you music they would give you the real deal!
The scenario:
artist friend comes on icq..."yo i got new track, wanna hear?" I say "sweet man, send away"...so they send then i get the track. I really like it and i play a party this weekend so duh...im gonna play it! Then if possible i get wav version sent later on...thats all
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Posted : Feb 6, 2004 02:14
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... just unexceptable!!!
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Yuli
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Posted : Feb 6, 2004 02:20
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No matter what you say and do I still believe that mp3 lack a lot from original files. Also even when it's shared between 2 artists 
It would be nice for a change to see a post from you Yuli where you dont start with your mr. E thing !
But it's properly too much to ask for
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Firstly Kristian,
The reason for my sarcastic tone is not of bad mood or random venom. It is a straight reply to things u say that are far from being nice, even if they are wrapped with nice language. No one likes patronising and check out yer post - hence mr. E
About the deal itself - well my man, as far as it is my music I am giving away it is my f#$king business how I do that, and I might just record it on a TDK tape cassette and send it in this format. I dont really know how it concerns with you.
Thank you and good nite
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nobody_3
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Posted : Feb 6, 2004 02:59
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Whatever Yuli... Let's just for the record say that your not almost the most considerate person yourself. So before you judge other people and exacterate what I wrote you aught to take a look at your ways too mate. There's a famous saying: "Dont throw stones when you live in a Glass house yourself"
After all it's not me that always attack you when I see something you write that I dont agee with... But maybe you see yourself as the great defender of people in this forum? I am sure if I was so insulting to Tim he would tell me himself.. I don't think he need a nanny Yuli. |
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nobody_3
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Posted : Feb 6, 2004 03:01
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On 2004-02-06 01:46, timsensient wrote:
Elysium Project wrote:
P.S. I seriously doubt that many artists with respect for their own music and work would give a DJ mp3 files of their tracks! If they ever wanted to give you music they would give you the real deal!
The scenario:
artist friend comes on icq..."yo i got new track, wanna hear?" I say "sweet man, send away"...so they send then i get the track. I really like it and i play a party this weekend so duh...im gonna play it! Then if possible i get wav version sent later on...thats all
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And your intitled to do that Tim... I just dont agree and think it's a bit sad that Dj's choose to play mp3's at parties...But that's of course my opinion
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Localsky
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Posted : Feb 6, 2004 06:49
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Just because Richie Hawtin is using a laptop doesn’t mean he is using mp3’s. He uses a laptop because he uses and sponsors Final Scratch. Final Scratch can be used with wave files. Whoever said that the difference between an mp3 and wave cannot be heard is only partially right. I probably cannot hear the difference listening to an mp3 with my headphones but the difference can be clearly heard on a loud (club/party) system. Just like the difference can be heard between vinyl and CD. So if you are DJing don’t spin mp3’s, it will not sound good no matter how much you use the EQ. When a song is “compressed” into MP3 format information is lost. So go out and buy CD's and vinyl!
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timsensient
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Posted : Feb 6, 2004 08:42
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On 2004-02-06 03:01, Elysium Project wrote:
And your intitled to do that Tim... I just dont agree and think it's a bit sad that Dj's choose to play mp3's at parties...But that's of course my opinion
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EP...whats sad about it? I get a kickass track (mp3) from good artist friend, i am excited and passionate about this track, so i want to play it out and share the excitement with the crowd! So i play the track and it goes down like a dream - i have shared my love of this track with all the people in the audience, and seen them connect with my passion...Sad??
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krelm
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Posted : Feb 6, 2004 11:12
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On 2004-02-05 20:40, beru777 wrote:
Well there are great DJs that don't scratch or mix with 8 turntables. Great things can be done, true. On the other hand you can have a great technique, but if you play bad tunes and aren't able to make people dance then what ?
You're making my point, actually: DJing is not about technique !
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DJing requires good technique AND good track selection/connection to the crowd/etc. If somebody mixes like a retarded hearing-impaired ape but plays good tracks, I don't want to hear them. If somebody mixes flawlessly but plays horrible or boring music, I don't want to hear them either. Both types of skills are extremely important. But you can learn the technical skills with enough practicing at home BEFORE you ever play in front of a crowd. The other skills take experience in front of the crowd. So, there is absolutely no excuse whatsoever for being unpracticed and sloppy technically.
Back to the .mp3 thing. For all intents & purposes, a 320kbps .mp3 is probably OK to be played at a party. There is still some loss even at that high encoding, but chances are it will be undetectable in all but the most perfect sound systems outdoors. There is always some distortion from the sound system, or from reverb in inside venues, etc. If somebody wants to rip their CDs to super-high quality mp3, and carry them around on their computer to play, I will have no problem with that. If an online store sold high-quality mp3 tracks, I would probably buy some and play them.
However, do most mp3 DJs really play 320kbps mp3 files? Of course not! Do they make the rips themselves? Not a chance! Most are playing 192kbps mp3s that they traded on the web.
Also, I am sure guys like Richie Hawtin & John Acquaviva and other Final Scratch pioneers are not using low-quality mp3s that they downloaded from an file-sharing program. It is stuff that they have ripped and encoded themselves in high quality.
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krelm
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Posted : Feb 6, 2004 11:26
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To answer the original poster's question - why do party organizers let it happen?
1. A lot of them don't give a shit.
2. The organizer usually spends much of their time running around, making sure things run smoothly. They don't have time to stand on the dancefloor and listen to whether or not they think a DJ is playing original CDs or mp3s.
How would an organizer know if a DJ is playing from mp3s? The only sure red flag is if they are playing from their laptop on some DJing program - but I have yet to see anybody do that. What about burned CDRs?
It could mean they are playing backups of their originals (common), copied CDs, vinyl rips, or demos received directly from artists.
Short of interrogating the DJ about their music, it is very difficult for an organizer to know.
One reason I'm glad I don't really organize psy events anymore.
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omniholic
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Posted : Feb 6, 2004 12:46
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Funny thread. I agree with you 100%, Beru777.
My 2 cents:
1. I receive new tunes from almost all the artists that i release (plus many more) on mp3. Its the fastest, easiest, and the most unexpensive way to receive the tracks. I burn them on a CD then, and play them out at parties if i wish.
2. Maybe 1 person in 10000 will be able to hear the difference between a good quality mp3, and a wav file. And even that person would need to be well trained for that.
3. Richie Hawtin DOES play mp3, unlike you said, Localsky. I was speaking to John Aquaviva about Final Scratch the fisrt time already 2 years ago, and he said that he and Richie use mp3 files 192-256kbps!
4. Mp3 sharing is NOT even the only big problem of the music industry, copying CD`s is probably even worse! Why arent you guys raving on about that? Its not the format that is the problem, its the attitude!
You seem to be speaking of 2 completely different things here! Just forget about your narrowminded attitude for a second, and think about the real issue here...
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krelm
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Posted : Feb 6, 2004 17:39
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On 2004-02-06 12:46, omniholic wrote:
4. Mp3 sharing is NOT even the only big problem of the music industry, copying CD`s is probably even worse! Why arent you guys raving on about that? |
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Hi omniholic, could you expand a little on why you think this? I would personally think it is the other way around since it is easier (and faster) to access any mp3 track on a file sharing program than to find somebody with a copy from an original CD. People will go for what is easiest, so it would seem that mp3 trading is much wider spread than copying CDs from originals.
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nobody_3
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Posted : Feb 6, 2004 17:47
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On 2004-02-06 12:46, omniholic wrote:
Funny thread. I agree with you 100%, Beru777.
My 2 cents:
1. I receive new tunes from almost all the artists that i release (plus many more) on mp3. Its the fastest, easiest, and the most unexpensive way to receive the tracks. I burn them on a CD then, and play them out at parties if i wish.
2. Maybe 1 person in 10000 will be able to hear the difference between a good quality mp3, and a wav file. And even that person would need to be well trained for that.
3. Richie Hawtin DOES play mp3, unlike you said, Localsky. I was speaking to John Aquaviva about Final Scratch the fisrt time already 2 years ago, and he said that he and Richie use mp3 files 192-256kbps!
4. Mp3 sharing is NOT even the only big problem of the music industry, copying CD`s is probably even worse! Why arent you guys raving on about that? Its not the format that is the problem, its the attitude!
You seem to be speaking of 2 completely different things here! Just forget about your narrowminded attitude for a second, and think about the real issue here...
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I 100% agree that it's the attitude problem but as krelm so rightfully said. Mp3 downloading is more common than CD ripping and trading. Simply because as he said it's easier and faster than to find people with original CD's to trade with.
And I have and do also "bitch" about CD copying and trading
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Localsky
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Posted : Feb 7, 2004 09:12
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Is making a copy of a CD for a friend from the original really so bad? Has not everyone made a dub of their friends tape in the past? Aren't we becoming overly sensitive? Copying a CD for a friend is one thing, file sharing is another. What if a CD is not longer available - would it be wrong for a friend to make another friend a copy? DJs make money from spinning other peoples music - are they wrong? Maybe, the purchaser of “the music” should only be allowed to sit in a soundproof room by himself/herself and listen to “the music.” Otherwise, someone without the rights to hear “the music” might overhear. If someone without the rights should overhear “the music,” their must be only one solution left, to kill that person. The laws have to be harsh and strict before this gets out of hand!
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ZeRo
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Posted : Feb 7, 2004 09:24
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reducto ad absurdum
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