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MP3 DOWNLOADING: Spelling The End for Dance Music
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deejayridoo
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Posted : Sep 21, 2004 16:39
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Sure thing, mp3 is a great medium, say for underground artists
to gain interest from the public Ear
but because of the situation nowadays
many of them will never get a chance
to develop their talents ..
.. and the public will be stuck with
lofi quality relics of
their "work in the past".
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why that?
i for myself did my studies in order to get a usual (50 or 70%) job and doing so, being able to be independent from my music making.
my musicmaking is A HOBBY
and this should be the case for all the artists, because
THIS IS AN ALTERNATIVE SCENE!!!
if artists expect to make a living out of undergroundmusicmaking, then it´s them who destroy our culture and not the mp3 people...
i know that making good tracks is a very exhaustive and timeconsuming activity, but then artists just can slow down their output.
this would have a positive side effect:
less releases (we have too many of low quality anyway...)
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Evy
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Posted : Sep 21, 2004 16:40
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Funny how some of you disregard the MP3 format for it's 'Rubbish' sound quality but love to use it as a way of finding new music. Supporting the scene by going to festivals only supports the promoters and the dealers - the artists and labels have to be supported by record sales.
To others - I apologise for posting yet another MP3 thread...
evy@trackitdown.net
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deejayridoo
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Posted : Sep 21, 2004 16:43
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oh, and i for myself do support my favourite artists as much as i can. i bought so many vinyls in the last years.
now i want everything on cd, so i download plenty of the stuff i got on vinyl in the cellar, because i´m too lazy to record vinyl to my harddrive and i don´t like the fuzz/ vinyl noise on cd... |
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Satyr
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Posted : Sep 21, 2004 17:06
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On 2004-09-21 16:39, deejayridoo wrote:
if artists expect to make a living out of undergroundmusicmaking, then it´s them who destroy our culture and not the mp3 people...
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i didnt "accuse" anybody of these expectations ..
for me, being a dj is still the best hobby ever:
always new places to enjoy
& new faces to make a-smile
with (new) music!
and going up (ahum) the "production alley",
i dont expect to make a living from psy,
for instance ..
if i'd gain the idea to make money out of
electronic music,
i'd catch up with tiesto and see what kind
of groove pleases as much people possible
or start hiking into the multimedia section
to make background music
or soundtracks for commercials.
if ...
but to get your hands on some real gear,
like a Nord, a Virus, a decent soundcard, an ADAT or whatever recording equip,
instead of cracked software synths and all that stuff
.. there has to be some dough on the table
to get a slice of the pie!
and besides that, dont u think it's kind of frustrating
to never see one of your masterpieces released
because no label would want to burn their hands
on some track that's been out online
for more than a year now?
or are producers willingly aiming for the soulseek crowd?
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i know that making good tracks is a very exhaustive and timeconsuming activity, but then artists just can slow down their output.
this would have a positive side effect:
less releases (we have too many of low quality anyway...)
just think about those points
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true - but isnt that just the way that house music walked
over the last ten years or more?
i remember going to the recordshops in the early 90s
(gather round kids, grandpa is telling a story)
and every shop had more 'crap' every week than the other shop
the week before ..
so many releases from people who discovered the formula
and got it to work for themselves.
in the end, so many new ideas have come to surface since then,
and so many new styles of electronic music have evolved
and others reborn in new bodies,
noone can think of the world
without house, techno, trance, electro, dnb,
lounge, triphop,
psy, goa, ambidelic, progressive, tekno, broken beats ..
and whatever nametag created over the last two decennia.
whatever we think of the music today,
variety is the spice of life
so new tonal species will come forth
and spread the sound!
www.satyrsatellites.com
www.soundcloud.com/satyr
www.soundcloud.com/satyr-barbarossa
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EYB
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Posted : Sep 21, 2004 17:20
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Hey why support labels and not poor children that die of having nothing to eat?
Thats shit, get the mp3s, get some cds u really love but if u wanna support something then please support people who really need it.
There are million people who havn't enough water and foot, nor clothes and homes, so who cares about listening to mp3s.
I mostly listen to mp3s, and people who say the quality of a vbr mp3 is shit are stupid, coz i can never affort all the cds i have as mp3s, so i don't care about the quality.
I let u listen to the same track, one time cd the other time mp3 and u can not say what is what.
peace and please share the music, if u got a cd that is unrealed in the net, please rip it and put it back to mp3s scene 
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deejayridoo
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Posted : Sep 21, 2004 17:30
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i'd catch up with tiesto and see what kind
of groove pleases as much people possible
or start hiking into the multimedia section
to make background music
or soundtracks for commercials.
if ...
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this is a good alternative also, for those who don´t want to work in a regular job - make filmmusic/ backgroundmusic or just popular (nonpsy)music under another nickname...
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but to get your hands on some real gear,
like a Nord, a Virus, a decent soundcard, an ADAT or whatever recording equip,
instead of cracked software synths and all that stuff
.. there has to be some dough on the table
to get a slice of the pie!
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like every other hobby...
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and besides that, dont u think it's kind of frustrating
to never see one of your masterpieces released
because no label would want to burn their hands
on some track that's been out online
for more than a year now?
or are producers willingly aiming for the soulseek crowd?
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exactly - filesharing is the very best way to promote underground artists, as those/ (we underground artists) would otherwise never be featured in a magazine or in the media in general...
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whatever we think of the music today,
variety is the spice of life
so new tonal species will come forth
and spread the sound!
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sooooooo true!!!!!!!!!!!!!
and i think that the "soulseek thing" will to give rise to even more diversity, because artists are able do do whatever the fuck they want without having to pay attention to what the label asks for (which usually means "standardisation" - =less variety, because the label is afraid not to break even with too strange/ crazy/ innovative music)!!! |
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Basilisk
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Posted : Sep 21, 2004 17:35
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Evy, sheesh. You are full of misinformation it seems. Let's address a few points:
If MP3s are DESTROYING THE SCENE... why are these so many new releases? Since MP3 trading is so widespread you'd expect to see a decline in releases, especially if you've got an article here predicting an electronic music scene meltdown within a single year...
Big distributors folding means nothing specific. You can't pin the blame on file sharing here... one point that is seldom spoken of is - hey, maybe recycling the same ideas over and over again for years inevitably leads to disinterest? Maybe labels, of all dance styles, should be a bit more selective about what they release? Last thought on this topic - perhaps there are too many releases targetted at DJs, alienating casual listeners.
MP3 sound quality is perfectly fine for scoping out new releases. Many people, myself included, prefer owning originals of what we like. How are we to know what we like without hearing it? Samples are a rather poor way of getting the full picture of what the quality of a release is like. Just ask anyone who's been burned buying something they didn't end up liking - what's the use in that?
When you pay for the festival ticket the promoters pay the artists who are on their line-up... it's ridiculous to say artists don't make money when you go to see them. In fact, artists could easily make more playing live shows than they would through record sales.
Since you're plugging your site left right and center let me just put in another plug for full-quality waves. I'll be buying single tracks off the internet the moment I can compile a custom CD from a catalogue and have it burnt and sent to me.
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Satyr
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Posted : Sep 21, 2004 17:35
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On 2004-09-21 17:20, EYB wrote:
I mostly listen to mp3s, and people who say the quality of a vbr mp3 is shit are stupid, coz i can never affort all the cds i have as mp3s, so i don't care about the quality.
I let u listen to the same track, one time cd the other time mp3 and u can not say what is what.
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i know i am stupid  sitting behind this screen,
talking bollocks on the net about mp3,
(that's why i also work in this musicshop
where quality recordings of quality music are sold)
but i do hear that difference that u say i dont.
and i see it too: when someone plays an mp3 track
via the same mixer i just used, usually the eq's are:
less hi, less mid, more bass.
 so others must hear it too ..
anywave, another two cents' piece
www.satyrsatellites.com
www.soundcloud.com/satyr
www.soundcloud.com/satyr-barbarossa
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EYB
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Posted : Sep 21, 2004 17:54
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LOL!!!!!!!
LOL!!!!!!!
Ur funny!! Signature |
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deejayridoo
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Posted : Sep 21, 2004 18:21
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...How are we to know what we like without hearing it? Samples are a rather poor way of getting the full picture of what the quality of a release is like. Just ask anyone who's been burned buying something they didn't end up liking - what's the use in that?
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happened to me too often 
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...I'll be buying single tracks off the internet the moment I can compile a custom CD from a catalogue and have it burnt and sent to me.
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me too!!!
that would be it - mp3 for scaning purposes. afer a while listening to the mp3 you can judge which are the tracks you really like (and not only because they´re fresh and you feel cool having new stuff - this is capitalist-like shit...)
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Satyr
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Posted : Sep 21, 2004 19:24
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On 2004-09-21 17:54, EYB wrote:
LOL!!!!!!!
LOL!!!!!!!
Ur funny!!
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heheh .. that happens a lot when i try to be serious ..
when i try to tell a joke,
people usually tell me something like:
good point u got there.
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and on the topic basilisk put forth,
about buying single tracks directly from artists or labels:
my thoughts x:actly!
like the MusiCDock thing, this should be
the future of the music industry
(as it is already with iTunes, f.i)
www.satyrsatellites.com
www.soundcloud.com/satyr
www.soundcloud.com/satyr-barbarossa
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Ohmem
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Posted : Sep 21, 2004 21:35
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For me it's simple.
Lower the prices of original cd's.
Everybody prefers the original, of course.
In Portugal the price of an original cd it's about 20 euros (!!!!), the minimum salary is 400 euros (!!!!).
I would like to know what's the numbers in your country.
Music is culture and culture should be available for everybody at a fair price.
Trance artists make money playing at parties not on record sales.
So if there's anyone who feels bad about mp3 are the labels and distributors, since they take most of the profits.
What is the % of profit for an artist for each record sold? That also would be nice to know. |
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Elad
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Posted : Sep 22, 2004 13:21
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Spindrift
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Posted : Sep 22, 2004 13:51
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Bahh, again people bickering about pennys.
AN ARTIST GET ABOUT $1 PER SOLD COPY OF AN ALBUM
Thats it, if it all works out ok, and many times they don't even get that, and have to wait for years for the money.
The label get a dollar as well.
Don't fool yourself and think you support artists by buying CD's. You mainly support shops and distributors.
SEND THEM A DONATION IF YOU FEEL SO SORRY FOR THEM
Or like basilisk said, go and see them live. They earn more money from that. |
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deejayridoo
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Posted : Sep 22, 2004 18:47
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On 2004-09-22 13:51, Spindrift wrote:
AN ARTIST GET ABOUT $1 PER SOLD COPY OF AN ALBUM
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well, another reason not to do it the way music indistry usually does it
this is underground
artists should sell their tracks directly through the net and on the parties/ festivals they attend/ have a gig.
doing so they get the whole money and therefore can lower the price |
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