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More technology,less inspiration?

Deus


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Posted : Aug 16, 2004 00:51
Really,how many psychedelic tracks that you could call them 'trance hymns', have you heard after 2ooo?i don't know anyone or maybe there are very very few!For example when we hear 'Digital Sun-Into The Sun' we say that yes,it's a historical track,or 'Virtuart-Time Cruncher' and hundrends of other oldschool diamonds.Maybe we should worry about that.I believe that technology and the easy way nowday,to make someone music,made the artists 'sound engineers' and not musicians with original influences.Psy trance has become a predictable music style.You even hear the same electronic samples in most of the tracks today.But an artist can create a million of different electronic samples!What s going on?And why the bass is so loud?How we can speak about 'psychedelic music' when there is this fucking thrash bass?Maybe it's the easy way to make the crowd dance.
(I speak generally about music and artists.Of course you can find some good tracks,even today!)
Please tell me your thoughts about that!Thank u!
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DETOX
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Posted : Aug 16, 2004 01:04
I aggree 100%           Toodaloo Motherfuckers!!!!!
Frenji


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Posted : Aug 16, 2004 01:12
i believe that in every style of music the 'first' tracks or projects are those who stay into people's mind as classics.

when u have a first contact with a music then these projects that u ll listen at first will stay allways classics and favorites for u...

if someone has his first contact with psy music nowdays in 5-6 years he ll consider as classics and 'trance hymns' the nowdays tracks.

for example no punk band will sound so authentik as sex pistols or dead kennedys...cause they are the firsts.they are from the ones who create the style.

the music goes on ...
and to tell my opinion i for sure prefer the newest sounds than oldschool ones.

kabamaru
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Posted : Aug 16, 2004 02:12
hmmm... I don't think that's entirely the case. I think Frenji you are partially right, but I get the impression that most of today's psy music tracks (full on and progressive, the 2 big camps today) are made to be played as part of a dj set. Most of them don't have enough "personality". They seem to me like "lego" building blocks, a dj uses the right ones to create the desired flow in his set. While that is by all means acceptable, the fact that the standalone tracks are not anything spectacular and they get old pretty quickly is worrying (there are, of course, notable exceptions each year).

Things got more about trendy effects and samples (which are overused) and less about artistic passion. And that is reflected to the current state fo the market. Just check out the zillions of prog. and full on compilations.... Are we going to listen to any of these tracks in a dj set in a summer 2005 festival?           --- open the doors and let the music flood in ---

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spaceliner

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Posted : Aug 16, 2004 02:15
Altough i listen psy-trance many years now i believe that Deus is right on that subject.
In nowdays tracks there is no real feeling.
Many artists keep repeating the same pattern for their tracks and they dont even consider of making something new,something original.
In the old days every track was unique,creating each own atmosphere letting u enter into the artist world.
In many newest releases even for big names,i hear the same thing repeating again and again.
Inteligent music at last.Is it lost?

I prefer listening to some old stuff than searching for a quality release which at the end of the day i cannot find.
And yes maybe technology has covered the feeling as far as psy-trance is concerned.

Keep floating.
Peace
other_reality
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Posted : Aug 16, 2004 15:39
It's just that music has changed. There is good music today as well, come on guys ! Listen to Star-x, Wrecked machines, Star sounds Orchestra, even the latest hydrophonics album...You can't say its just crap bass "which by the way me and some friends call -tarama- (ta-ra-ma -ta-ra-ma-)... For sure U can't get Transwave, MFG, Koxbox, or Prana nowadays...I read in an interview of Saikopod lately, that he thinks that today's trance is more like death metal ! He is not totally wrong. but there is good trance. still alive and rocking.           Bring yourselves into the light

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Deus


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Posted : Aug 16, 2004 16:39
Yes, other_reality,it goes exactly like ta-ra-ma!Now for the new music,you told me about Wrecked Machines.I ve heard his album and i didn t find sth interesting on it!Really "Star Sounds Orchestra" is a classic trance project with it s own special music style!To be honest i haven t heard 'Star-x' yet but i"ll do it!

But i"m not asking for just good music but for psy-trance HYMNS.Tracks that are going to stay in music history.Do you see any track to have these standards nowdays?Even the big and respected artists have fallen to the trap to ''i make a track with killer super bass and with some stupid fx or a simple flashback melody and everybody will jump like crazy in the parties,and every week i m gonna play to a different place in the world!''
But what about home listening?Yes,there the track must be qualitative cause the loud bass cannot cover the track's nonexistence!So,no psy trance at home misters!
Frenji and kabamaru,interesting opinions and i agree with most of them!DETOX and spaceliner(INTELLIGENT music,the right word!),yes we agree totally!

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XrTC


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Posted : Aug 16, 2004 23:59
deus i am afraid i will have to disagree...

you talk about "the easy way" to make music. well are you THAT sure that it is THAT easy to make music? have you tried it? if it is so easy why don't you make the music YOU would like to listen to. (there is absolutely no irony in these words of mine, i am talking seriously and i am not trying to make fun of you).

you also talk about "sound engineers" that make music today. i believe that if it's not needed, then at least it helps to know half of the things a sound engineer knows. because with this music you are not only the writer, but also the producer. what would you do with a super idea that sounded terrible? i personally like the fact that today's music has so much quality in the technical matters.

what i can agree at, is the fact that today there is so so so much music coming out every day that has 2 downsides: a) since there are more tracks, there are more "crap" tracks too and b) u can't keep up with all the releases, so u miss a lot and sometimes u might miss something that does worth listening to...

but, technology killed the inspiration? by all means NO. the way i see it technology can only help one's inspiration. nowadays, u can imagine a sound in your head and with all this technology (and a bit of luck) u can make it. so how exactly does it "hold" your inspiration?

well u know what? maybe most artists lack inspiration these days. and there are hundreds of useless compilations which get released just for the record companies to make more money. do u see a connection here? i wouldn't blame technology nor the fact that someone needs to become a sound engineer in order to improve his sound. artists choose to make formulated music. or are they "forced" by record companies and so on? (a big topic that needs another thread).

lastly, about the "hymns" u've been talking about. have you thought that maybe the music has not changed so much after all, and the one who changed is you? i mean, maybe you got so much used to this music that even a "potential" hymn sounds to u "the same". maybe if it was still your early days in the scene, this same "potential" hymn would sound to you THE HYMN.

think about it. i am telling you these cos i know from myself that the way i was "receiving" this music 5 years ago has a huge difference as to how i "receive" it now. but i still find good tracks (and a lot of crap too, i admit it) to listen to when relaxing at home, when driving, when partying...

p.s. i don't know what kind of psytrance you like listening at home, but i personally extremely enjoyed nano records' "clarity".

p.s2. u should stick more to albums than compilations cos generally they are better. and although i don't know your music taste i will write down some artists' albums that i don't believe were made without ispiration: Deedrah (body and soul), Psypilot (destination future), Electric Universe (cosmic experience), CPU (central processing unit).           .
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orange
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Posted : Aug 17, 2004 01:10
i agree with xrtc as the time has changed people are changed to.
maybe your seeking something to listen to in the rong place.
try other styles of trance maybe you find whatt you are after someware alse.
and i for shure like the production now the in the older days better

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DETOX
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Posted : Aug 17, 2004 01:27
XrTC if you compare the albums that you mentioned,Deedrah-Body And Sould and Electric Universe-Cosmic Experience,with the older works of Dado and Boris then you will understand about what Deus is talking about           Toodaloo Motherfuckers!!!!!
Deus


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Posted : Aug 17, 2004 02:22
XrTC first of all thank you for replying!

Yes i'm sure that is easy to make music nowdays and it's not difficult to understand that or at least you don't need to be a musician.Do you know that many many members of this forum produce music?(If you want i can make a track with reason software and sending to you to tell me your opinion!)Did we have this chance all of us before 8 years?I guess not,so it's more easy to make it now.(if that is good or bad,is another story!)
Also the thing that make me anxious is that i can create a track in Skazi's or Astrix's style (we are talking about unprofessionaly music) but i can't make 13 seconds of minute that would remind Total Eclipse,Juno Reactor,Deviant Electronics,Earth Nation and..and...
Why is that?Because when you creating music there is a sacred thing called-IMAGINATION.Do you have ideas?Then you sit down and starting make what you imagined.I'm afraid today many producers sit down FIRST and then they make music as a worker has to do his job!

Who am i and i blame artists?I am consumer of their music and the consumer is the strictiest judge.And artists know that very well.I believed in this scene but know i'm learning that money can rule even sth spiritual as psy trance.
I pay 40 euros to hear Orion (a trance monster) playing sth that it's not belong to him and it's not represent him.But he has the abilities.Who forces him to do this???(Orion is an example!)

Now about the sound engineers i'll say that;i prefer to listen to sth from ONE only speaker and it would me cry than listening sth from SIX speakers and would make me scratch my ass!(lol)
About the hymns, you said that the music hasn't change but probably I have.But how is that possible, when we have Blue Room,Koyote,Flying Rhino,Matsuri and many other labels that started this thing,closed?Psy Trance has a big history,don't decline it.

For the end you are refering to Electric Universe and Deedrah's new albums.I'm glad we agree but i couldn't compare these works with their past albums (DETOX I would say that first!!!) although Morning Star is a hymn,at least for me!

XrTC i really like our discussion!It seems that you have knowledge in music.It's hard to find nowdays someone to discuss with him seriously about music.
See you man!
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Deus


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Posted : Aug 17, 2004 02:39
Hi orange!
No,i'm not seeking something to listen to in the wrong place.I would say that i have been in this place already 9 years now but some others lose their way and now they are here too!(This DOESN'T go to YOU)
The people that loose their way and come here are becoming more and more and more and know they can influence the whole scene.
And when i say 'they lose their way' i mean the people that are here for anything else except music!
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Anak
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Posted : Aug 19, 2004 21:58
good (or sad) stuff to read here, food for thoughts.
i think it's sad that psytrance doesn't seem to reflect any feelings anymore. things started to sound pretty "mechanic", yet pseudo-positive emotional. do we all feel the same? i miss the diversity of feelings throughout a trance nite, i dont wanna hear happy music all the time, as i'm not happy all the time.
to the question in your title i couldn't answer either with yes or no...the bigger reason is the ongoing trend to rough dancefloor material, aiming to rock your body rather than twisting your mind. R
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other_reality
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Posted : Aug 20, 2004 16:40
First things first...Psy-trance artists were always sth like sound engineers, and the technology you are reffering to was more or less available then too. (Cubase is there for ages man...) The availability of software and the increasing popularity of this music has made it possible for more people to get involved. More people means more music, but then again more crap music ( Simple maths, he he !)
So, about the HYMNS (!!!), i really don't get the point. Do you mean Chakra, Psychobabas and the likes, or do you mean Land of Freedom, Let ther be light and Fuel on ?
The problem is THIS: Modern trance music is suffering from ALIKENESS. Everybody wants to sound like everybody, so , you get the Tarama bassline, the hugely compressed sawtooth sweeps (prionia) and the filtered breaks all the time. Still, if you look for different sounds, different approaches, you can find your HYMNS again. I've got a few, and they are from artists like the one's I mentioned in my previous post, along with FreQ, Matenda, Highpersonic Whomen, Cosmic Tone, Oszilla...Look for the music man, just look for it...Cheers !           Bring yourselves into the light

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Deus


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Posted : Aug 21, 2004 07:20
Hmmm,ok other_reality, let's go deeper.

First of all,i think that you haven't understand exactly the title of the topic.I'm not against technology my friend,technology is our friend.And now i'm explaining the title of the post:
''Cause of the fact we have too much technology nowdays,the normal situation would be to have also better music.But unfortunately it happens the opposite.So,we should discuss about the reasons of that (maybe we say the same thing with other words.)
As i can see,you call it 'suffering from alikeness';i call it 'less inspiration'.
U said ''psy trance artists were always sth like sound engineers''.Of course they were.We are talking about electronic music,how it could be different?My opinion here is that artists have to keep the balance between music production and music inspiration.Today we have much of the first thing and less of the second.(Cubase is a software for professionals and very difficult to use and now we have music softwares even for playstation 1).
Now about the HYMNS (!!!),i have mentioned already some tracks and i'm sure that you have heard of them (i can't believe that you was hearing only Astral,Chakra,Transwave and Psychobabas at that time).Hymn is a track that as you are listening to it during the years it causes you always the same special feelings you had for it.But not only that.This track must be recognised as a 'hymn' also from the whole psychedelic community (magazines,radio shows,dj's and the most important...from the crowd).

So yes,i can remember a lot of 'hymns' before some years.You have mentioned already the most famous projects of that time.I ll tell you some more:Shakta-Leptonhead,Electric Universe-Online Information,Butler & Wilson-Deliverance,Power Source-Goa Way,Elysium-Monzoon,OOOD-Kundalini,Technossomy-Pyramid,Miranda-Steps To The Stars,Indoor-The Key,Deviant Electronics-Vesuvius,Sandman-Nosterdamus,Quirk-Gognitive Dissidents,Doof-Mars Needs Women,Kuro-Revolution........a list with no end.

Ok with 'hymns' but what's happening in every other release?
Then we had TIP ORANGE,now we have TIP RED.
Then we had 'Theory Of Evolution',now we have 'Psychedelic Summer'(oood-kundalini rmx=AWFULL)
Then we had 'People Can Fly',now we have 'Technodrome"
Then we had Miranda,now we have Stella Nutella (djing)
Then we had Tim Schuldt (is here again!) now we have Skazi.
Then we had Deck Wizards series,now we have Most Wanted.
Do you prefer 'now' from 'then'?I respect that.And this forum give us the opportunity to discuss about those things.

I try as i can to look for music and there are a lot of things that i haven't discover yet.
Bye for now!:-)

p.s. You like Cosmic Tone,Hydrophonics,Star X.I like some tracks of Vibe Tribe,Chemical Stream.i don't know about you,but I 'm not going to hear those tracks after 1 year.
p.s.2 Anakoluth,nice thoughts my friend. It's really sad stuff here but i believe that will come better days.I really believe it!:-)

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