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More technology,less inspiration?

DETOX
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Posted : Aug 21, 2004 13:48
And again i have to aggree with Deus in every point that he mentioned.

Couldnt say it better my self.           Toodaloo Motherfuckers!!!!!
other_reality
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Posted : Aug 21, 2004 16:51
I agree with most of your ideas my friend deus, but allow me to make some things clear, as you must have misunderstood some of my words. First of all, ofcourse I am reffering to cubase (or any other sequencer), as it is the "musicians" way to create music. I personally ignore "playstation software" or other "do it yourself" PC software, as it is software for kids or bored guys who just want to kill some time in a "creative" way. NOT for artists...
Now for the music, yes, you are right, i wasn't listening only to chakra or astral ofcourse. My preferences were Deviant Electronics, Orichalcum, KoxBox, Psychopod, Manmademan, Transwave , Syb Unity Network, Juno Reactor, X-Dream , ...(phew!!!) Space Tibe, Shakta, Doof, Hallucinogen...and more. As you know better yourself, these days are over my friend. What ever happened to matsuri productions ? Prana ? Why is TIP now called TIP World ? Where is Flying-rhino of the old days? Or Dragonfly? (Order Odonata series, the first ones...remember ride the snake? ) Remember Symbiosis first comp. with Pleiadians ?
How many people actually remember all this ? And, how many people actually lived all this ? I think that they are only a portion of todays psytrance scene. The scene has gone commercial, my friend deus. The music has changed. And when I say look for the music, I mean it. It is not like the old days, when you went to the record store and bought anything, because there were only a few records and they just had to be good. Now, you can see hundreds of records and artists, coming from nowhere... Just lay off Skazi man...You know what this music is, why are you complaining. You mentioned some music you like. It's good. Stick to it, and you'll find more. Dig in the records and you shall find what you seek. And forget about the old days. No blue room now mate. No more Infinity Project (Raja ram plays fear of the dark in his sets). As for the smart guys, who claim to know the scene and have lived the past trance scene, when they actually liked sasha and judge jules...well, they could only make crap music and now that the psytrance scene is hot, they force their way in. Ignore them. Go for what YOU like, I'm sure things will work out. Oh, as for the HYMNS !, he he, you might as well forget them too. Make your own, as I tried to say before...Cheers!

p.s : If you want to exchange ideas and thoughts for TODAYS music, just P.M me.           Bring yourselves into the light

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Tasos_NOtrea
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Posted : Aug 22, 2004 00:44
Hi All!!Deus nice topic for disussion!I agree with you my friend and of course with other reality,that you must search for good music a lot but you will find what you like..Some big projects of the past are produsing epic tracks today..For Example X-dream's super track Thorazin....some dj's are still playing this track which rock's the dancefloor.Also I listened xavie morel some weeks ago and he played some juno reactor tracks from their upcoming album and my opinion is that is gonna be the best of them ever..I heard that dado and christof are working together after a lot of years and preparing the new transwave album,I hope they use their original feelings,ideas and their huge experience to make this album and not the same styles of deedrah's and absolume's last albums,I believe those albums are not representing their personal image..Anyway till then search for good music to listen!
Deus


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Posted : Aug 24, 2004 19:55
Hi guys again!

Nice words other reality!You are right that i have to look forward (but not forget the past,ok? )I think that i see the whole thing in a very emotional way (memories my friend!).I have some favourite music nowdays, too.Of course i don't miss the releases of the classic projects (except Psychaos,Orion,Xenomorph and of some others that have dissapointed me!)
2 examples of good music:Antidote has changed his style from the "Total Eclipse years" but i like his new style also (groovy techno trance club music!)
Talamasca rocks the place with every new release (not sth new in his music but i like it).

I want to share our opinions about new music but better in another topic cause DETOX will punish us (hehe!)
DETOX i expect many things from you (big success for a greek label to include Electric Universe and Antidote tracks).You have knowledge,bookings,label, so you can change many things in this country!We are all with you,keep going on!

Tasos_NOtrea is that true about Transwave???You are right that this work must be something new and original cause if it won't be so, it's better not to be released.
I am new member in this forum and i would like to see more discussions about music and releases!

See you all!
          Dance For Paradise!
DETOX
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Posted : Aug 25, 2004 01:36
Deus feel free to discuss your opinion about new music in this topic,i think its relevant to the subject and i dont see why you shouldnt start this discussion in here.

Thanks also for the kind words concerning Exposure Productions label.Its nice to see that some people like and support this effort

You will be happy to hear that for the next compilation i have already signed exclusive tracks from Space Cat,Orion,Wizzy Noise,Altom,a killer collaboration between Dino Psaras And Deedrah,Logic Bomb,Alien Project,Silicon Sound and two more tracks that will be selected from artists like The Antidote,Atomic Pulse,Oforia,Nomad,Joti,Astrix,Kinetic and more

P.S The new Transwave album is postponed for a very very long time for reasons i wouldnt like to reveal in public.           Toodaloo Motherfuckers!!!!!
XrTC


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Posted : Aug 28, 2004 03:49
sorry for not coming back to this topic, but i was away on holidays.

well from what i can see you are getting too emotional my friend deus, perhaps a bit too much. i think you are stuck to the old days and you miss them so much that you can't see what these modern days have to offer.

i am gonna say it for the last time: there IS good music nowadays. if you don't like what you hear try a different style, maybe more proggy, maybe more dark (thank god there are so many!). i still believe u might have changed and a different style might appeal to you now.

do yourself a favour and unstick from the old days. there is no rule saying that if you worshipped orion (for example) 5 years ago, u have to like him now too. it might be sad, but don't be afraid to turn your back on your "old heroes" if their music lets you down now. look for new ones!

now, as far as the music creation is concerned, you said it yourself: most people are able to make tracks nowadays, but it's the quality that matters. and since you are into production yourself, you should try to make your own hymns. just the way you like it!

finally, some thoughts that just came to my mind: this music is not "new" anymore, we all are used to it. so i find it natural that it's more difficult now for something to surprise us, excite us. maybe that's why you can't find your hymns anymore.....

good luck


p.s. lately i saw an old friend of mine who had stopped looking for new music a couple of years ago. after listening to some tracks (mostly 2004 but also a few 2003), he admitted that he hadn't realised there was still good music nowadays after all.          .
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Deus


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Posted : Sep 6, 2004 21:55
Lucky man XrTC (holidays )

About your thoughts now,it's clear what you want to say.I'm not going to write the same things again.I'll just tell you that it isn't unfortunately just about emotions and nostalgy.It's about the music and how psychedelic it is today.And how satisfied you are from the music,when you go to a party.

I was never listening to one kind of electronic music only.Psychedelic trance helped me at that time to learn about other styles.

Boris Blenn has produced electro,techno,technoid house,ambient,experimental electronica,atmospheric drum n bass.Total Eclipse also have released a drum n bass album and of course quality ambient music.Miranda now is working on some nice deep house tunes (3 tracks for downloading on her site!),Elysium is producing now more ambient and progressive trance tunes (check out what he answered to me when i asked him about psy trance today-www.elysiumproject.dk-

There are so many examples that you can see how open minded are my 'old heroes' as you call them! (yes,why not? )

We have good music,i say that again.But i'm asking for more things from the music i support.For some reasons i feel that we receive only the 40% of psychedelic trance today.And i want the 100% of course.

Come on XrTC,i'm not a producer!Even today you have to pay a lot for a professional equipment!I wish some day to be able to produce some music!

XrTC for the end, i would like to tell me your music taste.You know what i like,maybe you can suggest me sth good that i haven't heard yet.I would aprecciate it!

          Dance For Paradise!
XrTC


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Posted : Sep 7, 2004 00:29
hehe deus i was looking forward to your reply...

somehow i feel you didn't understand me. i didn't say your "old heroes" are not open minded. i just said that you don't have to listen to what an "old hero" produces NOW just because you liked what he produced THEN. for sure it's a bit dissapointing when you hear their new works and they don't meet your expectations. respect their old work but turn your back on them if you don't like what they produce now!

i thought you said in an earlier post that everyone can make music and that you can easily make a track that sounds like astrix or smth. so you see my point now? you may have the possibility (as you said earlier with the computers etc) but that doesn't make you a producer. it takes time and effort to become one. it takes time and effort even to become a producer that releases the "clone-psytrance" of today. and don't be fooled, professional equipment? what is that... i've heard music coming out of Amiga500 and it was outstanding! (see my point again?)

the last part is the hardest one. not only because my taste is constantly changing, but also because simply what works for me could be crap for you. anyway, without wanting to sound repetative, try some cpu, absolum, nomad, mekkanikka, exaile, psypilot, tikal, protoculture, melicia, hydrophonic, xerox & illumination, the misted muppet...... if you want more details (on albums and certain tracks) PM me.

p.s. you said "It's about how satisfied you are from the music when you go to a party" and it just hit me: how many times (if any) have you seen a party with names like the ones mentioned above?           .
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Dot Kite
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Posted : Sep 7, 2004 00:50
Hello to evryone!

More technology, less inspiration?

Well, just check out the new album of X-DREAM!! They have top technological equipment
and ...they are full of inspiration!
They always drive the trends! Do you remember what happent when they have released the "RADIO" album?
Everything was new !

New Concept = New Sounds
New Sounds = New Technology
New Technology = New Inspirations

This goes to happen again with their new release!

Do all of you get my meaning? Do you remember a track from UX "Life Supports Technology" !!! Actually, this fits for the music!

"Music Supports Technology"

cheers
Deus


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Posted : Sep 10, 2004 02:47
XrTC,i'm glad that you find my opinions interesting and you are looking forward for the next one!I'm also glad to see finally your music taste so we can discuss about your music.

I begin with the first one.You know what really doesn't meet my expectations?It is a music that it's called 'psychedelic' trance these days and although i can see some fake trance vibes on it i can't see anywhere the 'psychedelic'part.In the other hand,it is so interesting to me seeing some real and talented musicians, that have worked hard all these years to create sth new and innovative,using their abilities to produce a different style and they do it very well.What a knowledge and talent a producer must have,to make that possible!So i don't ask for you to respect me,cause i'm a shit.But please respect the history of this music (for me it's the most intelligent music has ever discovered).

Second.When i 'll be able to produce music,i'll choose the professional way.I know that many producers choose softwares (as Fatali and he has admitted it in an interwiew)
but i don't think that is the right way.

Now let's go to your suggestions.
Absolum-excellent producer,bad music now.An album that reminds me Skazi!!! And the only you hear is a bass.Only the first track is sth like Transwave.Where are his compilations like Psychedelic-3D Vision?)
Protoculture-Exaile-Hydrophonics=Their music is what most people today recognise as psychedelic trance.Itis a melodic style of trance with some groovy or repeated bass,and really nothing special on it.We was hearing at these sounds before many years but in a better way.
Nomad-Mekkannika-Tikal-Psypilot.I have heard some tracks from some compilations so i haven't opinion yet.But for sure what i heard it was not what i expect from a psychedelic music.
CPU-I don't have the album but only one track and i can say i like it.I'll search for it.
The MIsted Mupped-They try to put some epic atmosphere in their (his) sound but they can't escape from the routine.I only like the lay out of the album.
Xerox and Illumination-Xerox is a respected artist.I wouldn't say the same for Luminus.The only good track from their last album is the collaboration with SANDMAN (no comments)
Melicia-Ok,i really dislike him.What i call fake sound.The first album was hard,melodic and totally empty.I will not discuss his remix on Astral Projection.

So as you can see we are from two different worlds.I grow up with totally different sounds than you and cause of that we can communicate now.About the parties,yes i was unlucky to hear some of the projects you tell me and i was lucky to see some others.

If you have to search your favourite music to find some good releases then sth is going wrong.And closing your eyes to the problem is the worst that you have to do.           Dance For Paradise!
Deus


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Posted : Sep 10, 2004 02:54
Don Kite we agree about music and technology and i have allready said my opinion.And of course we agree about X-DREAM.
Music Supports Technology!-i like it!
Detox good luck with the new release of Exposure Productions.Is it possible to wait for you, a compilation like 'More Signs Of Life' or sth like that (ambient-experimental stuff)?           Dance For Paradise!
Tasos_NOtrea
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Posted : Sep 10, 2004 15:58
I am totally agree with deus.OK the a lot of "produsers" found an easy way to be popular(i believe that) produsing noumerous
tracks in small time using the same pattern for 20 tracks.When the last album of cosmic tone released a lot of people said ohhh that's perfect album!I don;t think so..I believe this album composed between some weeks...the sounds are the same in each track and of course the bassline.Dot Kite as you said about x-dream they made excellent work as the whole boshke beats guys.We expecting wonderfull releases from them.They remind me some epic novatekk releases 4-5 years ago!!Detox I can't wait for your compilation!I want to listen synthetic's new stomper!

p.s. cosmic tone is an example
XrTC


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Posted : Sep 10, 2004 21:55
here we go again..

you say "please respect the history of this music". how did you come to the conclusion that i don't..??? i said "respect their old work but turn your back on them if you don't like what they produce now!". please, if you don't understand something i write, ask for further explanations or i will start to think that you don't pay much attention to what i am writing...

i am sad to hear that you rate "software-music" as unproffessional. some of the vst's cost even more than a hardware synth, so i guess you are not judging professional and unprofessional equipment by the price. also, makes me even more sad when you rate Fatali (maybe as an example) as unprofessional. you have to respect some things even if it's not of your taste. ok u don't like this guy's music. can u do what he did? no. that's why u should respect him even if u don't like his music. this goes for all music styles and everything in life in general. if you understand what i mean... as for what way you will choose in producing, well you can choose whatever you like, but keep in mind that you won't be more professional just because you use hardware. it's how you use something rather than what you use...

about my suggestions, i already told you that tastes vary. we can't argue on music tastes. but what i can argue is two things:
absolum's latest album, all you can hear is a bass? you are not serious right? the bass is fatter than normal but for sure it's not the only thing you can hear. i mean, at least not what i can hear.....
nomad and psypilot are not psychedelic? listen to "nomad - the magic sofa's show" (moonkeys compilation, moon spirits rec. 2004) and "psypilot - tiyoweh & grumble barry" (destination future album, turbotrance rec. 2004) and then tell me if they're not (unless we give a totally different meaning to what's psychedelic). especially psypilot's album, IMO listening to it as a whole, is one psychedelic experience on its own!

i agree with you when you say "if you have to search your favourite music to find some good releases then sth is going wrong". but honestly, did you just recently notice that? things are not as they used to be and that's a fact. so, what do you propose? if there's something we can do then i am willing to hear it. but, i am not willing to hear that it's the technology's fault (as i clearly remember the way this thread started). IMO it's more possible that it is the human's fault and his tendency to move more and more towards a goal that has the name "money" on it...

p.s. i heard markus' dj-set this summer and i agree with what was said. i believe x-dream's next album will be one of the most talked-about albums of the latest years.          .
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XrTC


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Posted : Sep 10, 2004 22:13
i was reading again this whole thread and i must say i am a bit confused, Deus...

u started this thread saying that technology has turned musicians into sound engineers, losing their inspiration, etc etc.

then dot kite says the opposite, supporting his sayings with an example of x-dream. (a very well-thought example i must say)

and you come back saying "Don Kite we agree about music and technology and i have allready said my opinion". how can you agree with someone having a totally different opinion than yours......???

i must say that i am really confused..........................................
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Raziel


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Posted : Sep 12, 2004 04:53
hi...
the situation reminds me football...
we have good players today...zidane,figo,ronaldo,dellas,vryzas...but not so good and not so many as before 30 years...
i think that today many artists make albums just for money...
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